Sharron Davies Degrades Drag and Trans rights

[littlepotter 76,612]

1 hour ago, M Monstre said:

But there are places in the Middle East that don't see women equal to men, or at the very least, there are heavy restrictions on women that are not placed on men...

Of course - still they are much better off than POC. Arabs can be EXTREMELY racist.

(of course spoken as one of them, i wouldn't say this of a minority i don't belong to)

[Gov Hooka 8,008]

9 hours ago, sampool said:

If they’re trans it wouldn’t be considered “drag”, now would it? 

 

This post right here is enough for me to know that you have no knowledge of drag or its history

[sampool 5,560]

10 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said:

This post right here is enough for me to know that you have no knowledge of drag or its history

Wow I wonder how this lack of info would affect anything relevant in my life, or anybody’s, like ever. 

[Meruk Holland 2,358]

17 minutes ago, sampool said:

Wow I wonder how this lack of info would affect anything relevant in my life, or anybody’s, like ever. 

So it's willful ignorance, is it? It may not have any bearing on your life, but it sure shows a lack of compassion and understanding that drag is an important aspect of others lives. It's even disrespectful to ignore the importance of the drag queens who were at the front of the fight for gay rights. 

Furthermore, better understanding drag can help prevent more ignorant thoughts from being spewed from people merely because they have a misconception of what drag really represents. 

[sampool 5,560]

4 minutes ago, Meruk Holland said:

So it's willful ignorance, is it? It may not have any bearing on your life, but it sure shows a lack of compassion and understanding that drag is an important aspect of others lives. It's even disrespectful to ignore the importance of the drag queens who were at the front of the fight for gay rights. 

Furthermore, better understanding drag can help prevent more ignorant thoughts from being spewed from people merely because they have a misconception of what drag really represents. 

Funny how intellectual you turn when the ball is on your field but you turn oblivious the moment the discussion is about women’s right and how demeaning drag queens are to their cause. 

but thanks for proving me point that it has more to do with ‘gay rights’ than evaluating drag as an independent form of “art”. 

[Meruk Holland 2,358]

6 minutes ago, sampool said:

Funny how intellectual you turn when the ball is on your field but you turn oblivious the moment the discussion is about women’s right and how demeaning drag queens are to their cause. 

but thanks for proving me point that it has more to do with ‘gay rights’ than evaluating drag as an independent form of “art”. 

The only reason one would think drag is inherently demeaning towards women is because one equates being feminine with being a woman. I personally have no patience for that kind of discussion, so I wisely stay away from it. But I'm plenty passionate about gay rights out of a self-serving interest so I'm happy to discuss that aspect. 

And note that I said that its disrespectful to ignore its importance with gay rights, not that it is limited only to its importance with gay rights. And I'll rephrase it: just because drag was important for gay rights, that doesn't mean that was its sole impact throughout history.

[REALITY 80,165]

1 hour ago, littlepotter said:

Of course - still they are much better off than POC. Arabs can be EXTREMELY racist.

(of course spoken as one of them, i wouldn't say this of a minority i don't belong to)

But, isn't the phrase "POC" relative to white people? I'm genuinely asking. Because even though that minority groups can also  be racist, that doesn't necessarily mean that "POC" are worse off.  Like, Arabs are POC, and even though some may be racist, that doesn't mean it's a "POC" issue, but it's just those particular people being racist.

For example, I'm Filipino, and like any other race or ethnicity, Filipinos can be racist against other races. I wouldn't call them being racist a "POC" issue; it's just a blatantly racist issue. 

[Jose P 23,341]

10 hours ago, sampool said:

If they’re trans it wouldn’t be considered “drag”, now would it? 

 

Drag is more than just cross dressing and putting on a wig. Drag makeup and drag costumes are way different than what a regular woman would wear. Therefore, a biological woman or a trans woman CAN do drag, anyone can. Drag is about creating a persona and performing, it’s a creative outlet,  a form of artistic expression.

[March34th 1,973]

drag is literally men donning themselves in exaggerated female stereotypes so I can understand why she would be upset with it. I have seen many a drag queen say a lot of basically sexist stuff or act in that manner. It's the whole barbie doll mindset. Gay men are sometimes just as clueless as straight men with how their actions can influence women. She has a right as a woman to speak up for what she believes in.

Though I disagree with her statement that drag is a "parody" of what women are. I don't think it's always that way but I have 100% seen and met drag queens who treat it that way, and shows like RPDR don't really help the cause considering the actions or attitudes of many people on that show, not to mention RuPaul who is an extremely problematic person himself

tl;dr: I see her point

[COOOK 76,406]

The only Sharon I stan is - woops. A Drag Queen

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

4 hours ago, littlepotter said:

-the comparison to blackface is idiotic

-i don't see how that was against trans rights though

-i adore drag but i do sometimes ask myself if they are not stereotyping women too much

I think the "against trans rights" comes into play when she says  drag show(s).

How is she bombarded with this material? 

Also women are much more than just hard working moms. She pretty much gave a stereotype has an example. 

What if a woman doesn't want to be a mom or cook a "wholesome dinner." Is she not good enough to be included in her tweet. 

The "wholesome dinner" thing really made my eyes roll. 

[littlepotter 76,612]

1 hour ago, M Monstre said:

But, isn't the phrase "POC" relative to white people? I'm genuinely asking. Because even though that minority groups can also  be racist, that doesn't necessarily mean that "POC" are worse off.  Like, Arabs are POC, and even though some may be racist, that doesn't mean it's a "POC" issue, but it's just those particular people being racist.

For example, I'm Filipino, and like any other race or ethnicity, Filipinos can be racist against other races. I wouldn't call them being racist a "POC" issue; it's just a blatantly racist issue. 

I guess I see what you mean but to me PoC is a very condescending word - to both parties involved. I don't know who the hell decided that white was "neutral" or "colorless" and the rest was colored (funny thing is white is considered an amalgamation of color while black represents the lack thereof). What I meant to say in my oringinal post was that Arabs are really racist towards Black people. (They're also very racist towards chinese/japanese people, and even Indians who the west considers "brown" just like they view arabs. Oh and of course arabs hate white people but not exactly to the same extent or for the same reasons.)

[littlepotter 76,612]

6 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I think the "against trans rights" comes into play when she says  drag show(s).

I still don't see it..? Doesn't she just mean drag race?

8 minutes ago, JusKeepBreathin said:

I think the "against trans rights" comes into play when she says  drag show(s).

How is she bombarded with this material? 

Also women are much more than just hard working moms. She pretty much gave a stereotype has an example. 

What if a woman doesn't want to be a mom or cook a "wholesome dinner." Is she not good enough to be included in her tweet. 

The "wholesome dinner" thing really made my eyes roll. 

Yeah what she described is pretty "conservative woman doing her thing" but I think that's kind of beside the point... she's right aboit the fact that drag race presents a certain view of women which is very old fashioned and stereotypical. Maybe not drsg in general but she's talking about drag shows. Many have also spoken out about the misuse and mockery of women's genitalia, body parts and mannerisms - especially like with the word "fish".

[JusKeepBreathin 19,311]

5 minutes ago, littlepotter said:

I still don't see it..? Doesn't she just mean drag race?

Yeah what she described is pretty "conservative woman doing her thing" but I think that's kind of beside the point... she's right aboit the fact that drag race presents a certain view of women which is very old fashioned and stereotypical. Maybe not drsg in general but she's talking about drag shows. Many have also spoken out about the misuse and mockery of women's genitalia, body parts and mannerisms - especially like with the word "fish".

Fish. I never thought that was referring to women's genitalia. Lol OMG is it?

I genuinely thought it had to do with the fish face beautiful women make on social media. Gaga does it all the time. 

 I understand that part of it now. 

[Edonis 28,974]

I'm not going to jump on all 343543534 posts that make me want to rip my hair out in frustration, but I will say this: you don't have to impersonate a woman to do drag. Nor a man. Nor even a human being. Drag, as an art form, has transcended that label decades ago with club kid culture and the freak-chic fashun of the Harlem ball scene. It's gone far past the typical large hairdos and pretty pageant dresses shown on RuPaul's Drag Race. That's all.