Bt1 5,213 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 On 12/7/2019 at 11:32 AM, Guillaume Hamon said: The thing is she always seem to blame a long list of persons and events more than she blames herself for 2016 even if the main reasons of her defeat were internal to her campaign. That's like a manager having a failing vision for his team and who lost a contract essentially because of that. If he blames his team mates more than himself it will never be well-received by them while if he doesn't seem to overly deflect the blame on others they'll be fine with hearing they were wrong for this or that. . No. She doesnt. Watch the full interview and u will see that. She didnt even mention Bernie, until the interviewer does. So many opinions, so little knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Florin said: No. She doesnt. Watch the full interview and u will see that. She didnt even mention Bernie, until the interviewer does. So many opinions, so little knowledge. Rewatch it. She said the Russians wanted Trump and then slid in Bernie’s name as well. Howard followed up immediately with additional questions about Bernie. Hillary was the one to bring him up while also saying what was more important were the indictments of the meuller report. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, HorusRa2 said: Rewatch it. She said the Russians wanted Trump and then slid in Bernie’s name as well. Howard followed up immediately with additional questions about Bernie. Hillary was the one to bring him up while also saying what was more important were the indictments of the meuller report. So the truth doesnt count at all? is something not true in what she said? I am amazed by u people. I'm sorry, but if Bernies want to reduce a 2 hours and a half interview to 30 seconds, in which she also speaks the truth, u put yourself to fox news level. Even you, why you correct me when the fact that she briefly mentions Bernie doesnt change anything about the argument I had with that person? Why you dont correct him, who made a false attack against her ( which u admit in your response to me). Just because he is a Bernie bro? Tell him the truth. Be better than Fox News. Dont pick and choose my small mistake and ignore the false attack of your "friend", cause it looks very bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 39 minutes ago, Florin said: So the truth doesnt count at all? is something not true in what she said? I am amazed by u people. I'm sorry, but if Bernies want to reduce a 2 hours and a half interview to 30 seconds, in which she also speaks the truth, u put yourself to fox news level. Even you, why you correct me when the fact that she briefly mentions Bernie doesnt change anything about the argument I had with that person? Why you dont correct him, who made a false attack against her ( which u admit in your response to me). Just because he is a Bernie bro? Tell him the truth. Be better than Fox News. Dont pick and choose my small mistake and ignore the false attack of your "friend", cause it looks very bad. The truth about Russia and its interference in the election is that compared to the amount of money spent by the Clinton campaign, it was marginal at best. We have learned that some institution linked to the russian government, "likely," the internet research agency (trollfarm) bought ads on FB between 2015-2017 with the "assumed" intent of stoking anger and partisanship on the internet. We know it concerned wedge issues like immigration, second amendment, police brutality, etc. 3K ads were purchased at a cost of $100K. Half of these ads aired after the election. It has already been stated in previous articles that there is no way to discern how effective those ads were in swinging the election. In comparison to the 100K, Trump and Clinton spent around 81 million on ads. What is more likely to have affected the election is that Hillary spent much less money than Trump did on digital ads, ran a poor campaign with a platform that didn't appeal to voters. Also: I corrected you because yours was the post I actually read. There was nothing nefarious about what I chose to discuss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 6,992 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 19 hours ago, Florin said: No. She doesnt. Watch the full interview and u will see that. She didnt even mention Bernie, until the interviewer does. She actually did bring up bernie and you admitted you made a mistake by saying she didn't in the meantime. Anyway, I did better than just watching this itw, I watched several itws of her since 2016 and that's how I know she has a tendency to just admit a few minor mistake/ flaws from her side and conveniently stay silent about the biggest ones... Yet she never pass on an occasion to comment on external factors of her defeat like she did this time so it's all but a "false attack" since she clearly over-place the focus on others when it comes to her defeat's culprits. Again, her points about others ( that can be fair ones ) would get a better reception if she was REALLY doing the same type of full public critic with her own side too. 19 hours ago, Florin said: So many opinions, so little knowledge. Funny how HRC lovers on GGD always have to use disdain and over-act the "I'm more informed" thing, mainly after they said something inexact or just partially exact lmao. So far the other one who was telling me sanders has been blaming others for his own faults MANY times gave one example that wasn't actually one before to disappear btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 6,992 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 15 hours ago, HorusRa2 said: The truth about Russia and its interference in the election is that compared to the amount of money spent by the Clinton campaign, it was marginal at best. 15 hours ago, HorusRa2 said: What is more likely to have affected the election is that Hillary spent much less money than Trump did on digital ads, ran a poor campaign with a platform that didn't appeal to voters. Yet we see some HRC voters here who always like to discuss Sanders and Russia parts in the 2016 defeat way more than they ever discussed these actual main reasons of the defeat... But they're the ones "informed/ mature/ balanced/ realistic" compare to GGD sanders supporters if you read what most of them comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/5/2019 at 11:56 AM, SEANGT said: She was weaker in the general than she would have been if Bernie was quicker to endorse her and didn't come for her so hard in the primary. She's stating a fact. Whether or not it's justified is not relevant. It's a fact that doesn't hold much ground or significance even with partial truth to it. Bernie never personally attacked her for pressed her email situation. It wasn't because of Bernie that people didn't like her. Conversely, if she'd not "hurt" Bernie and the DNC hadn't rigged it against him, we might have had President Bernie. Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derpmonster 22,412 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 On 12/6/2019 at 6:09 PM, MJHolland said: Bernie's pettiness after handily losing His pettiness that involved campaigning for her and giving 20+ speeches and interviews in her support and urging his fans on social media to vote for her? Check out iTunes data & graphs at CHARTPOP.live Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Guillaume Hamon said: She actually did bring up bernie and you admitted you made a mistake by saying she didn't in the meantime. Anyway, I did better than just watching this itw, I watched several itws of her since 2016 and that's how I know she has a tendency to just admit a few minor mistake/ flaws from her side and conveniently stay silent about the biggest ones... Yet she never pass on an occasion to comment on external factors of her defeat like she did this time so it's all but a "false attack" since she clearly over-place the focus on others when it comes to her defeat's culprits. Again, her points about others ( that can be fair ones ) would get a better reception if she was REALLY doing the same type of full public critic with her own side too. Funny how HRC lovers on GGD always have to use disdain and over-act the "I'm more informed" thing, mainly after they said something inexact or just partially exact lmao. So far the other one who was telling me sanders has been blaming others for his own faults MANY times gave one example that wasn't actually one before to disappear btw. Funny how you know that my small mistake changes nothing ( you say that it is something inexact or partially exact) and yet u make a big deal out of it and yet again dont even try to inform yourself by watching at least parts of the interview and see that you accuse her again of something that she simply doesnt do in this interview. Congratulations. You made false attacks on her yet again. U learn this from Bernie or Trump? I keep continuing to say that some of the Bernie bros are at the level of Fox News, but thank you for proving that yet again. For evidence , see the comments of your fellow Bernie bro who said that he didnt correct you just because he didnt read your comment, but I was right correcting you. But you continue spreading fake news and false attacks based on 30 seconds from 2 hours 30m interview and serenade your Bernie Jesus, cause that's what trumpers do. Ups : but u aren't a trumper, no? Why you have so much in common with them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillaume Hamon 6,992 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 21 hours ago, Florin said: Funny how you know that my small mistake changes nothing ( you say that it is something inexact or partially exact) and yet u make a big deal out of it I didn't see you and don't imagine you making a "mistake" that defend sanders lol so maybe this "mistake" actually shows you're very fast to defend her /assume she did nothing shady even when she does... So it wouldn't be pointless to notice it. But this"mistake" was addressed at the beginning of my com' and that was it. The "inexact or partially inexact" stuff I talked about afterward was about you acting like HRC wasn't specifically deflecting her defeat on others when she actually does it time to time. 22 hours ago, Florin said: dont even try to inform yourself by watching at least parts of the interview and see that you accuse her again of something that she simply doesnt do in this interview. Congratulations. You made false attacks on her yet again. U learn this from Bernie or Trump? I told you I saw the full itw and she absolutely does deflect her defeat on him since she mentions it ( like she does every time she has an occasion ) while NOT discussing her own actual big mistakes as she always does. That's called deflecting the blame on others so no "false attacks" here. If she had discussed her own big faults it would be an analysis of all the factors and it would be different but she avoids to discuss her share quite a lot and more easily blame external reasons, that's the definition of deflecting. Who teach you to over-blame Sanders and feel sorry for the people who are by far the main responsible for their defeat? HRC I guess. 22 hours ago, Florin said: I keep continuing to say that some of the Bernie bros are at the level of Fox News, but thank you for proving that yet again. For evidence , see the comments of your fellow Bernie bro who said that he didnt correct you just because he didnt read your comment, but I was right correcting you. You didn't correct anybody by defending HRC when she was just... Deflecting indeed. I already explained you why the term bernie bro was an absurd one but your're a slow learner it seems lol. 22 hours ago, Florin said: but u aren't a trumper, no? Why you have so much in common with them? The basic anti-sanders smear based on nothing from HRC fan every time someone dare to be frank about your beloved HRC. It always goes straight to smearing, obsessive Trump comparisons, disdain and clichés with you cause you have nothing to bring actually. Keep humiliating yourself I'm not watching this mess lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 @Guillaume Hamon 1. My mistake doesnt change anything. Her bringing up Bernie name was not an attack against him, but a well known truth about Russia not wanting her president. Or are u again a trumper denying Russia involvement? 2. Well. Watch it again. She mentions a lot of things and, as I've said, she doesnt blame Bernie at all before that direct question. She mentions him ( my "huge" mistake), but she doesnt say anything bad about him before that question. She mentions a lot of studies during the interview, some possible mistakes that she did ( like not visiting enough some places), like being too safe ( she explains why) and other things. The question is how you dont know this if u watched the interview? Answer? : a. U are a liar and didnt watch the interview b. U are a fake newer. c. I'm sure you will find another excuse. You are good at that. 3. Keep staying at your level aka a liar or fake newer, a Hillary hater and a Bernie lover no matter the facts. The internet is big, so probably your tactics gave u great results in other discussions. I am happy that I could put you in your place and show u and other people what u are : a liar or fake newser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie 5 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/5/2019 at 2:49 PM, Florin said: The Bernie bros dont like again the truth. She was asked a question. She answered with the truth. Bernie was a factor. it wasn't the only thing that helped Trump, but he and some of his supporters were there to hurt her. No matter how much u dont like it, this is history and it won't be ever erased no matter how much u come after her with your insecurities and shame. History also says that she got over ONE BILLION dollars in campaign money from super-PACs and the DNC, and still lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/9/2019 at 7:02 PM, HorusRa2 said: Hillary was the one to bring him up while also saying what was more important were the indictments of the meuller report. @Guillaume Hamon look, your "friend" watched the interview ( or some parts of it) and found other things that she said about why she lost the elections. The liar ( u said that u watch it) u still thinks that she talked only about Bernie. But keep pretending. Sometimes that it is enough. Sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 4:32 AM, derpmonster said: It's a fact that doesn't hold much ground or significance even with partial truth to it. Bernie never personally attacked her for pressed her email situation. It wasn't because of Bernie that people didn't like her. Conversely, if she'd not "hurt" Bernie and the DNC hadn't rigged it against him, we might have had President Bernie. Bernie didn’t have enough of the minority vote. Super Tuesday won it for Hillary. This is something that Bernie and his campaign has realized and has been working on the past four years since and this past year. That minority vote can make or break you in the Democratic nomination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bt1 5,213 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, brownie said: History also says that she got over ONE BILLION dollars in campaign money from super-PACs and the DNC, and still lost. I dont know the exact number, but that it's TRUE. But what she said about Bernie remains also TRUE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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