Forbes: Rihanna killed Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show

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1 hour ago, hankhatesyouall said:

These Forbes articles are written by contributors whose opinions are laughable. 

Imaging believing that a washed-up pop star could kill Victoria's Secret. 

PC culture killed it, sadly. 

I'm not complaining, but it must suck for straight guys. 

Poor straight guys! How will they ever survive now that VS Fashion Show doesn't exist anymore?! 

It's kinda funny that you mention that a lingerie show needs to satisfy men when in reality shouldn't it try to get women's attention? pC cUlTurE kIlleD iT. Ok Hank. 

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1 hour ago, hankhatesyouall said:

I'm not complaining, but it must suck for straight guys. 

If you are obese, deal with it, fat. This is not healthy. Stop shoving your kilos down people's throats.

Poor straight men? The lingerie is for women, not straight men - who do you think the product is aimed at, you doof 

Straight guys can go on p0rnhub which I presume they already do - I highly doubt their primary source for 'sexy chick in lingerie' imagery is VSFS.

Stop using every excuse to tell people how disgusting you think fat people are - we got'cha, now go mind your own business...

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2 hours ago, hankhatesyouall said:

These Forbes articles are written by contributors whose opinions are laughable. 

Imaging believing that a washed-up pop star could kill Victoria's Secret. 

PC culture killed it, sadly. 

I'm not complaining, but it must suck for straight guys. 

If you are obese, deal with it, fat. This is not healthy. Stop shoving your kilos down people's throats. 

I understand that it might be caused by your metabolism, but it's rare. Most people are just lazy. 

But your diatribe against plus sized people isn’t the point? Like...whatever your feels on plus sized folk are, if you’re a business, you need to adapt and not be a dinosaur to your customer and demographic you hope to capture. PC culture didn’t kill VS’s show, VS’s inability and stubbornness to adapt to the market did. Clearly their CEO is out of touch if his statements are stuff to go by. None of this is opinion, business isn’t opinion. The business is that they aren’t running a modern, relevant business and as a result their market share is shrinking and interest in the brand is waning. Meanwhile, Rihanna is taking the cultural consciousness and running with it. So hate on her all you want, this was a successful business move that absolutely has played a part in VS’s gradual decline because she said “look, you don’t have to be that way to be sexy” which is an idea that’s been permeating for some time. Again, she’s in-touch, VS is out of touch and that’s just the fact of the matter. It doesn’t matter what anyone “feels” as business just does as it does; that’s capitalism. In this case, it’s letting the mouse eat the bear.

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2 hours ago, Talenti said:

Y’all find the negative in almost everything omg

Congrats to Ms. Fenty

 

39 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

But your diatribe against plus sized people isn’t the point? Like...whatever your feels on plus sized folk are, if you’re a business, you need to adapt and not be a dinosaur to your customer and demographic you hope to capture. PC culture didn’t kill VS’s show, VS’s inability and stubbornness to adapt to the market did. Clearly their CEO is out of touch if his statements are stuff to go by. None of this is opinion, business isn’t opinion. The business is that they aren’t running a modern, relevant business and as a result their market share is shrinking and interest in the brand is waning. Meanwhile, Rihanna is taking the cultural consciousness and running with it. So hate on her all you want, this was a successful business move that absolutely has played a part in VS’s gradual decline because she said “look, you don’t have to be that way to be sexy” which is an idea that’s been permeating for some time. Again, she’s in-touch, VS is out of touch and that’s just the fact of the matter. It doesn’t matter what anyone “feels” as business just does as it does; that’s capitalism. In this case, it’s letting the mouse eat the bear.

You’re both missing the point. There was no need to bring up Rihanna. Sure, her Fenty Business has done well and congratulations to her for her success. But the story was about Victoria’s Secret. A lingerie business. It has nothing to do with make up (granted both products are within the very broad “beauty industry” but that also includes plastic surgery, tanning salons, skin lightening creams and dozens of other genres/products and services). Forbes was being stupid by equating the two businesses that are not even competing in the same market.

It’s like saying that Billie Eilish’s streaming success is the CAUSE of YouTube’s views going down. See how stupid that sounds?

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WTF are my eyes reading under this thread, as if plus-size models were all in bad health conditions AND the skinny ones were healthy LMAO

There's a certain degree to everything, and curvy/plus-size doesn't mean obese.

Moreover, Rih's diversity also lays in skin colours, SO WHAT?

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30 minutes ago, Lord Temptation said:

 

You’re both missing the point. There was no need to bring up Rihanna. Sure, her Fenty Business has done well and congratulations to her for her success. But the story was about Victoria’s Secret. A lingerie business. It has nothing to do with make up (granted both products are within the very broad “beauty industry” but that also includes plastic surgery, tanning salons, skin lightening creams and dozens of other genres/products and services). Forbes was being stupid by equating the two businesses that are not even competing in the same market.

It’s like saying that Billie Eilish’s streaming success is the CAUSE of YouTube’s views going down. See how stupid that sounds?

That's why I said it contributed. It's not about Rihanna, you're right. As I said, she definitely played a part by giving the body positivity movement a strong commercial platform but was not the absolute cause; that is true. These things have lots of factors involved, but my comment never said that she was the cause. I was saying that she's in-touch with trends while VS is clearly out of touch. That's not saying that she was the cause of their downfall, but just noting why one similar product resonates while its competitor, and they are competitors, does not. This is all on VS for not following the market. Savage is in the lingerie business so it *is* worth mentioning since it is receiving high acclaim for doing something that VS is very notably not. I agree that the author puts too much emphasis on Rihanna's influence in this situation, but to say Rihanna is irrelevant to the conversation would just be neglecting the status of the lingerie industry. The industry, and fashion at large, has been shifting to being more inclusive and that's the name of the game. If you can't keep up you won't last. It is accurate to say that Savage's success is because of its ability to connect with the headwinds rocking the industry (among other reasons). It is also accurate to say that VS's waning share of the market is due to the opposite. The article might be a bit oversimplified, but the point is to look at what one company is doing right and what another is doing wrong to show where the industry is. I'm confused by your response because Rihanna's Savage brand is the it thing in the lingerie business so it would make sense to mention it in an article about the industry...

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4 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

That's why I said it contributed. It's not about Rihanna, you're right. As I said, she definitely played a part by giving the body positivity movement a strong commercial platform but was not the absolute cause; that is true. These things have lots of factors involved, but my comment never said that she was the cause. I was saying that she's in-touch with trends while VS is clearly out of touch. That's not saying that she was the cause of their downfall, but just noting why one similar product resonates while its competitor, and they are competitors, does not. This is all on VS for not following the market. Savage is in the lingerie business so it *is* worth mentioning since it is receiving high acclaim for doing something that VS is very notably not. I agree that the author puts too much emphasis on Rihanna's influence in this situation, but to say Rihanna is irrelevant to the conversation would just be neglecting the status of the lingerie industry. The industry, and fashion at large, has been shifting to being more inclusive and that's the name of the game. If you can't keep up you won't last. It is accurate to say that Savage's success is because of its ability to connect with the headwinds rocking the industry (among other reasons). It is also accurate to say that VS's waning share of the market is due to the opposite. The article might be a bit oversimplified, but the point is to look at what one company is doing right and what another is doing wrong to show where the industry is. I'm confused by your response because Rihanna's Savage brand is the it thing in the lingerie business so it would make sense to mention it in an article about the industry...

I work in finance and when a company is struggling, debt is almost always the answer. As i stated in an earlier post many fashion brands like Topshop and Barneys have collapsed in the last year so the decline of VS is not a single incident but part of a global industry-wide situation. For all we know, it could be Rihanna herself as the brand creator and ambassador that is keeping Savage sales high, rather than the diversity in marketing that the Forbes article is attributing it’s success to. Marketing helps but it’s not a make or break when we have a huge celebrity putting their name and face on the product. We can’t negate the celebrity factor. A huge part of Kylie Jenner’s make up success is that she was already famous coming from a famous family. Same with Gaga and Haus Labs. That said, Rihanna’s use of diverse model ethnicities and body types is quite groundbreaking for the industry and hopefully something that other companies mimic. 

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4 hours ago, hankhatesyouall said:

These Forbes articles are written by contributors whose opinions are laughable. 

Imaging believing that a washed-up pop star could kill Victoria's Secret. 

PC culture killed it, sadly. 

I'm not complaining, but it must suck for straight guys. 

If you are obese, deal with it, fat. This is not healthy. Stop shoving your kilos down people's throats. 

I understand that it might be caused by your metabolism, but it's rare. Most people are just lazy. 

This was a roller coaster to read 

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1 hour ago, Lord Temptation said:

 

You’re both missing the point. There was no need to bring up Rihanna. Sure, her Fenty Business has done well and congratulations to her for her success. But the story was about Victoria’s Secret. A lingerie business. It has nothing to do with make up (granted both products are within the very broad “beauty industry” but that also includes plastic surgery, tanning salons, skin lightening creams and dozens of other genres/products and services). Forbes was being stupid by equating the two businesses that are not even competing in the same market.

It’s like saying that Billie Eilish’s streaming success is the CAUSE of YouTube’s views going down. See how stupid that sounds?

They're talking about Rihanna’s lingerie line 

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Rihanna DID have a part in killing VS. Yes, they died because of an outdated business model, but there was no other lingerie show as big as them so it stayed alive for years. Rihanna making Savage an all-inclusive, broadcasted show helped maximize the issue and immediately comparisons started to pop up. You'd have to be real pressed to not see this.