Baby Kept On Vegan Diet Died. Vegan parents Arrested.

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3 hours ago, goods said:

You can't sustain yourself on vegan diet eating only fruit. PeriodT. People need to realise this. This child was probably deprived of rice, potato, bread or any other diet staple.  I supplement omega 3 from algae oil pills and get b12 with a spray and vitamind D3 through drops. 

As for people here claiming Vegan diet is sIcK and KiLLinG, I wish you a lovely day in your bubble.

 

My ex called himself a vegetarian but all he ate was pasta, potato chips, and the like

OT: kids need rounded diets and doctors, what the hell were they thinking?

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Also, we have this debate weekly.

Let's just all agree that animal cruelty is bad and everyone's bodies are different

Some people thrive on vegan diets, others do much better with meat. Just make sure you get your meat from a friendly local source

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2 hours ago, derpmonster said:

Hundreds of millions of children are raised vegetarian in India and are fine. I'm one of them. Never underweight, always have everything normal in my blood work. 

Being vegan and vegetarian are two extremely different things.

As a vegetarian you still partake in animal protein one way or another, which is essential to the development of a child's body and its physical and mental capabilities.

A strictly vegan diet can be deadly for children and are never, ever recommended by healthcare professionals.

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

8 minutes ago, Economy said:

 

Look not only have I been interested in health and nutrition for years but now studying to be a personal trainer I'm getting entire units on macros as well

 

It is possible to get ALL your nutrition without animal products. All the nutrients that exist in animals also exist in vegetation of one type or another (animal products could not contain it in the first place without ingesting it and metabolizing it)

 

However what I will say is that to be a healthy vegan takes some work, effort and knowledge. 

 

It's easier to be undernourished if your food options are reduced and you do need to know what ur doing and what stuff u must include to make sure ur getting everything

 

Also like @March34th said, u really need that variety. If you don't eat grains that's an issue. Meat and milk for example are high in B vitamins... But so are grains and bread for example (some of that is due to fortification but it's there regardless). If u only eat fruits and vegetables, u may not get enough B vitamins

 

Protein is high in stuff like legumes, nuts and mushrooms... There's also always the option of tofu or vegan protein powders. But u need to make sure u include at least a few things like this. If not a vegan could easily have insufficient protein.

 

You CAN be healthy being a vegan but u need to understand what foods have what so that you get all across the board nutrition. If you go into it without proper knowledge I think it's potentially dangerous

 

Ive met healthy looking vegans but also very scrawny and sickly looking ones too. To me that's proof some people aren't doing veganism correctly or in a safe way

The thing is, the human body doesn't create the enzymes to break down plant matter. Therefore, very little of the nutrients found in fruit and veg cannot be absobed by the body. If you eat animal products, your body can actually digest the nutrients from it. Liver and Carrots both have Vitamin A in high quantities... but someone who just eats the carrots will have less vitamin a than the person who eats the liver.  Mushrooms are not a vegetable, nor a fruit

Tofu is dangerous for the environment ro produce, same with soy. 

The best way to make sure you are actually getting a good high quality meal with all the nutrients in it that you can actually use is to eat meat. 

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3 minutes ago, PartySick said:

Also, we have this debate weekly.

Let's just all agree that animal cruelty is bad and everyone's bodies are different

Some people thrive on vegan diets, others do much better with meat. Just make sure you get your meat from a friendly local source

I always get my meat from the local farm that feeds the cows grass... I only eat grass fed meats and eggs from grass fed chickens    grass fed stuff is better for the animals, better for us, and better for the environment 

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7 minutes ago, Economy said:

 

Ive met healthy looking vegans but also very scrawny and sickly looking ones too. To me that's proof some people aren't doing veganism correctly or in a safe way

 

There are vegans and non-vegans who are overweight. There are vegans and non-vegans who are underweight. There are vegans and non-vegans who are in incredible physical shape. Veganism itself is not an indicator of someone's unhealthiness. A healthy vegan diet is no different then a healthy non-vegan diet, in that it requires a certain level of research and mindfulness.

Vegans come in all different shapes and sizes, and all different levels of healthiness - like every other part of the population.

Vegans:

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

I always get my meat from the local farm that feeds the cows grass... I only eat grass fed meats and eggs from grass fed chickens    grass fed stuff is better for the animals, better for us, and better for the environment 

And better tasting

The "town" just north of mine is a huge rural area with a bunch of farms and the chicken you get there? Omfg. It tastes like they injected rainbows in the meat

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8 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

The thing is, the human body doesn't create the enzymes to break down plant matter. Therefore, very little of the nutrients found in fruit and veg cannot be absobed by the body. If you eat animal products, your body can actually digest the nutrients from it. Liver and Carrots both have Vitamin A in high quantities... but someone who just eats the carrots will have less vitamin a than the person who eats the liver.  Mushrooms are not a vegetable, nor a fruit

Tofu is dangerous for the environment ro produce, same with soy. 

The best way to make sure you are actually getting a good high quality meal with all the nutrients in it that you can actually use is to eat meat. 

I know mushrooms aren't a fruit or vegetable but it's still vegan regardless so I'm not sure why bring that up

 

As for tofu agreed. But it depends why someone is vegan. If it has nothing to do with environment as is purely not to kill animals then it's still an option

 

And we are able to extract nutrients from fruits and vegetables. That's why ppl who don't eat enough of it miss valuable nutrients. Like Vitamin K. Some studies suggest we only absorb as little as 10% of what's in leafy greens like lettace or kale but it's still the best source

 

Of course fruits and vegetables are not going to give u all the nutrients u need. But no one is saying eating only fruits and vegetables is a good idea

 

If u also eat legumes, nuts, grains and one of my personal favs mushrooms... U get a pretty across the board spectrum of nutrients

 

It's hard tho if u don't plan it REALLY well. Personally I would never do it... In fact because I have IBS inflammatory problems with a lot of plants and grains, veganism would be completely unrealistic for me because meat it actually the one food group that bothers me nothing at all

 

But I'm saying if someone really wants to do it. It's not entirely impossible

 

I would still never recommend anyone do it to their kids tho. Adults may be able to live on well planned vegan diets but fast growing kids I'd worry. Especially infants and toddlers whose digestive system isn't fully developed and a lot of nutrients are not properly digested. They would miss even more from plants than we adults do

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6 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

There are vegans and non-vegans who are overweight. There are vegans and non-vegans who are underweight. There are vegans and non-vegans who are in incredible physical shape. Veganism itself is not an indicator of someone's unhealthiness. A healthy vegan diet is no different then a healthy non-vegan diet, in that it requires a certain level of research and mindfulness.

Vegans come in all different shapes and sizes, and all different levels of healthiness - like every other part of the population.

Vegans:

 

 

 

I realize that... But I'm going by proportion... In the developed world very underweight people are like 10% to 20% of ppl and no word of lie like 70% of vegans I met were VERY skinny

 

That disproportion just tells me some vegans don't know how to do the diet properly

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16 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

I always get my meat from the local farm that feeds the cows grass... I only eat grass fed meats and eggs from grass fed chickens    grass fed stuff is better for the animals, better for us, and better for the environment 

 

3 minutes ago, PartySick said:

And better tasting

The "town" just north of mine is a huge rural area with a bunch of farms and the chicken you get there? Omfg. It tastes like they injected rainbows in the meat

Don't mean to burst y'all's bubble but some grass fed animals and products... It doesn't mean they are fed a lot of it

 

Companies have been exposed to feed them grass like twice a week only then feed them the rest of the stuff for rest of meals and they aren't technically lying because they do feed them grass

 

But the way it's written leads ppl to believe that's their main diet when in fact for many companies it's not

 

It's like the "100% olive oil" that contains 100% pure olive oil but also has fillers and as such is not as advertised

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1 minute ago, Economy said:

I realize that... But I'm going by proportion... In the developed world very underweight people are like 10% to 20% of ppl and no word of lie like 70% of vegans I met were VERY skinny

 

That disproportion just tells me some vegans don't know how to do the diet properly

 

I think you are extrapolating too much from your limited anecdotal experience.

The stereotype that vegans are mostly underweight and anemic is totally eradicated if you actually attend a vegan event. Go to a vegan food festival, or a vegan expo, and you will not see a bunch of ultra-skinny people. You will see the same overweight/underweight/healthyweight distribution as there is in the general population.

 

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3 minutes ago, Economy said:

 

Don't mean to burst y'all's bubble but some grass fed animals and products... It doesn't mean they are fed a lot of it

 

Companies have been exposed to feed them grass like twice a week only then feed them the rest of the stuff for rest of meals and they aren't technically lying because they do feed them grass

 

But the way it's written leads ppl to believe that's their main diet when in fact for many companies it's not

 

It's like the "100% olive oil" that contains 100% pure olive oil but also has fillers and as such is not as advertised

Here in Scotland, the majority of the land is pasture. The cows and other animals are grass fed most of the year, its only in the winter that they get fed grains as the grass doesn't grow when its cold. But you can source online 100% grass fed if you know where to look. I go to a local farm for my meats, not to a supermarket. 

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1 hour ago, derpmonster said:

Sis you've been given sources numerous times and yet you ignore them. All you say is "no you're wrong" without backing it up. 

Sometimes "common sense ideas" turn out to be wrong. All evidence suggests meat was a treat, not the staple. 

Honestly I think it also depends where I lived too... Some parts of earth especially in cold climates near North available vegetation was low and ppl relied a lot in hunting

 

But meat was also "kings food" or "rich man's food" in many medical cultures

 

I think it depends on the region and what was most available

 

In rural Portugal when my grandparents were children (before grocery stores because common place in rural areas and ppl relied on farming) they told me they lived mostly off of potatoes, kale (grows in Portugal like weeds), and the fruit from the trees. Eggs were also eaten a lot as most ppl had chickens

 

But meat was always an occasion. My grandma said when she was a girl anytime someone in the village would kill a cow or a pig meat was always shared or sometimes a party would be made and meat was on average eaten only like twice a week with old chickens that no longer laid eggs being the most common eaten meat.

 

For them meat was a rare treat. Although for them eggs were common

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2 minutes ago, xoxo Craig said:

Here in Scotland, the majority of the land is pasture. The cows and other animals are grass fed most of the year, its only in the winter that they get fed grains as the grass doesn't grow when its cold. But you can source online 100% grass fed if you know where to look. I go to a local farm for my meats, not to a supermarket. 

Sounds awesome. Here in Canada it's all garbage we grow our meat with

 

I even notice our chicken hard darkened meat near bones where as in Portugal it doesnt

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3 minutes ago, SKANK said:

 

I think you are extrapolating too much from your limited anecdotal experience.

The stereotype that vegans are mostly underweight and anemic is totally eradicated if you actually attend a vegan event. Go to a vegan food festival, or a vegan expo, and you will not see a bunch of ultra-skinny people. You will see the same overweight/underweight/healthyweight distribution as there is in the general population.

 

Ok if u say so. It's possible by sheer coincidence those simply happened to be the ones I met