Meghan Markle says she's "existing not living"

[Whispering 18,865]

1 hour ago, lego said:

 

I will let it go when you admit that you are wrong about this subject (which again you couldn’t do) and stop repeating and spreading falsehoods. I think you’re petty and offensive towards all expecting mothers with your insinuations. “Most don’t do it constantly”, like you’re surrounded by pregnant women all day every day. It doesn’t matter you didn’t mention it first on this thread again, it was brought up as one of gazillion idiotic headlines about this woman and you defended it, you doubled down on your ridiculous criticism, even tho you were refuted before. 

You know that Kate did it too, but she had completely different treatment. The hypocrisy of the media you’re following  is obvious once again; 

 

She got headlines like: “Pregnant Kate tenderly cradles her baby bump” and “All the times Kate Middleton lovingly cradled her baby bump”,  as in touching it multiple times in one public engagement, from top and bottom, as you explained, yet it’s all described as loving and tender cradling.

For Meghan it’s: “can’t she keep her hands off her bump!”, like she’s committing a crime. 

It’s also telling how careful you are about royal pedo scandal involving Andrew, you’re not angry, we don’t see any outrage; yet you believe every single rumor you read about Meghan and you feel the need to “take it out on someone”. If it’s not racism, could it be the envy? It’s not healthy anyway.

Anonymous people don’t deserve more sympathy than celebs when it comes to mental health, because celebs are human beings too. They didn’t sign up for bullying and harassment. Too many of them committed suicide because they couldn’t ask for help, they couldn’t complain, they didn’t want to seem ungrateful and you’re encouraging that. Maybe you should ask yourself why you hate so many people in first place, why are you wasting your time? 

 

The media and the replies on pregnant women are seriously clueless!

They obviously don’t understand that a pregnant woman’s stomach is moving at times. Even when they are not showing, they are having the “butterflies flying” sensation. Later in the pregnancy, there are kicks, elbows and knees poking out, and even times when the baby feels like it is doing a somersault. Not to mention, it’s simply a weird body sensation to have your stomach stick out so far that you can’t see your feet. 

It’s completely normal and natural to touch your stomach when it’s moving. It’s also normal to constantly touch a body part that is constantly growing and changing.

Criticizing something like this tells me that those people were going to be the type that were going to hate Meghan for everything, no matter what she did.  

[StrawberryBlond 14,957]

3 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

Look at how tabloids treated Kate and Meghan differently. Look at the comments. 

 

 

The two are incomparable. You should see the vast amount of times Meghan did it. Kate did it so rarely that it was so noticeable the rare times she did. But Meghan did it constantly, in the same outfit, every time she was in public. It was always like she was ready for the press to take a good bump picture. But at the end of the day, of course it's petty. However the reason they're doing it, I don't believe is racism. It's merely for the fact that when people dislike a person, they go out of their way to find every little thing that annoys them about that person, no matter how minute. It's unnecessary, yes, but it comes down to over-exaggerated annoyance, not racism. I'd honestly love to know the reactions people would make if she were white? Would they magically find validation for any criticism in that case? Because it's not fair to constantly let someone get a free pass just because of their colour. I've seen people automatically support Meghan from the get-go just because they wanted a POC in the royal family, her personality and choices was of no interest to them. I find the whole notion of supporting someone just because they look like you to be bizarre.

53 minutes ago, lego said:

I will let it go when you admit that you are wrong about this subject (which again you couldn’t do) and stop repeating and spreading falsehoods. I think you’re petty and offensive towards all expecting mothers with your insinuations. “Most don’t do it constantly”, like you’re surrounded by pregnant women all day every day. It doesn’t matter you didn’t mention it first on this thread again, it was brought up as one of gazillion idiotic headlines about this woman and you defended it, you doubled down on your ridiculous criticism, even tho you were refuted before. 

You know that Kate did it too, but she had completely different treatment. The hypocrisy of the media you’re following  is obvious once again; 

 

 

She got headlines like: “Pregnant Kate tenderly cradles her baby bump” and “All the times Kate Middleton lovingly cradled her baby bump”,  as in touching it multiple times in one public engagement, from top and bottom, as you explained, yet it’s all described as loving and tender cradling.

For Meghan it’s: “can’t she keep her hands off her bump!”, like she’s committing a crime. 

It’s also telling how careful you are about royal pedo scandal involving Andrew, you’re not angry, we don’t see any outrage; yet you believe every single rumor you read about Meghan and you feel the need to “take it out on someone”. If it’s not racism, could it be the envy? It’s not healthy anyway.

Anonymous people don’t deserve more sympathy than celebs when it comes to mental health, because celebs are human beings too. They didn’t sign up for bullying and harassment. Too many of them committed suicide because they couldn’t ask for help, they couldn’t complain, they didn’t want to seem ungrateful and you’re encouraging that. Maybe you should ask yourself why you hate so many people in first place, why are you wasting your time?

See what I said above about why they were treated differently. And those pictures you were provided, most not even her properly touching it. The one in the dark blue coat is a one-handed hold (the other is clutching her bag near her body), the hard hat one look like she's simply putting her hand on her stomach in the way that everyone does at some point, the one second from the bottom is not a bump hold, she's literally waving her hands in front of her and the last one is just a simply adjustment while being measured. These look like normal, natural bump holds. When Meghan does it, it always seems like it's for maximum effect and she's looking at the cameras when she does it. And Kate doesn't do that hold I told you about - you have to hold the top and bottom of the bump simultaneously. Meghan's done that a few times but I can't find any of Kate doing it. This is a Hollywood way to display a bump. My point is, Meghan conducts her pregnancy like a fame hungry celebrity - giving subtle signs she was expecting with open coats on a non-chilly day a few days before the announcement, unncessarily touching her bump every chance she got and finally, after birth, maintaining an air of secrecy about how it all went days later and wanting to keep it all private and mysterious with refusal to show a birth certificate or name godparents. This is not the way that royals conduct a pregnancy. Due to having a child that we will be paying for, they put all cards on the table, photos at the first opportunity, full story, no secrets. I'm just pointing out the differences. But whatever. It's just my opinion. I can keep that one to myself. Just let it go, it's such a pointless thing to debate. I WAS WRONG. Satisfied?

Really? Seriously? You're bringing up a scandal that has nothing to do with the topic at hand just because I off-handedly mentioned Andrew for a reason un-connected to the scandal? You're judging me for my understandable reaction to that? I'm "not angry," there's "no outrage." I said I found it harrowing. Stories like this make me sad more than anything. I have never spoken about it because I find it too sad. You don't know the first thing about how my anxiety works. Stories like this make it go through the roof. I emotionally can't deal with it. That's why I can't speak about it. I don't know enough about Andrew to give my opinion on if it's true or not, he's another older, minor royal I know nothing about. I'll maybe say something when a full investigation has come to a verdict. But we're dealing with apples and oranges here. How dare you judge my very understandable reaction of not wanting to speak about a child abuse case because I find it too sad. And then you follow it up with accusations of envy? WTF?! You're just looking for a really despicable way to potentially vilify me and it's disturbing.

Of course I can't tell as I'm not around her but I don't detect mental health issues with her, I detect narcissism, entitlement and manipulation. As many others do. Human instinct is there for a reason. She matches the symptoms of narcissism. I've already said before that I just enjoy celebrity culture. And there's a lot of celebrities out there doing stuff I don't like. Celebrity culture is a negative place, hate comes with the territory. It's not wasted time to me as this is a hobby. I like plenty of people, you're just choosing to focus on the negativity.

10 minutes ago, Varys said:

Okay this is really the last thing I'm going to write here. Its not just this thread its many many threads. You might not remember it but I once had an argument with you when I had a diffent user name.   Also I think you should watch the documentary. It is really only the last 5 min of a 45 min documentary and it doesn't matter if she knew the question before or not.

I was quite baffled by your responds. You completly lack self-awareness. Its time to look in the mirror to do some self reflection 

Of course I won't remember you under a different name. I'm not disbelieving what you said about the documentary, I'm just saying it was unnecessary all the same.

Sorry, no, you don't seem to be listening to anything I have to say. I'm very self-reflective. You're just not detecting emotional response as this is text on a computer screen. If you met me in real life, you'd probably think very differently of me. You just seem stuck on your initial perspective and are refusing to listen to my rebuttals because you stubbornly refuse to believe you might have got me wrong. You don't seem to have taken in anything I've said. You are the one lacking in self-awareness. Good day to you.

[Morphine Prince 106,985]

I think I know what you frequently read. @StrawberryBlond

[hausofcy 20,325]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Sorry, no, you don't seem to be listening to anything I have to say. I'm very self-reflective. You're just not detecting emotional response as this is text on a computer screen. If you met me in real life, you'd probably think very differently of me. You just seem stuck on your initial perspective and are refusing to listen to my rebuttals because you stubbornly refuse to believe you might have got me wrong. You don't seem to have taken in anything I've said. You are the one lacking in self-awareness. Good day to you.

I don't know you but I just read through the entire thread and I think it's really unfair how you reply to certain members and play the victim here. You jumped in this thread and posted something that contained very strong and controversial opinions about someone. Ofcourse people will disagree and reply using the best arguments they can come up with to get their view across. I read everything and believe me, even though i don't know you I really feel for you. Your attitude in this final post just shows that certain people made several points about you. Varys for example actually tried to help and give you some advice and this is your response? You're actually the one that refuses to change a point of view or admit you were wrong for once. 

I'm not here to discuss the whole Meghan thing. I honestly couldn't care less about this whole discussion. I don't want to come off as hostile towards you but just open your eyes that some people are just trying to help considering your unfortunate situation. Even my DM's are open (even if we don't know eachother) if you would ever need to get something off your chest. But some self-reflection is strongly needed. Especially when so many people try to get a point across and you seem to just dismiss it without even trying to understand why they made these comments. Don't see everything as a personal attack on you. Some people really just tried to make you see some things differently. 

Peace and Love, 

Haus. 

[KleinGa 18,177]

4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

And then follows up  this offensive, incorrect outburst on my character with a message to support me in my mental health. Bloody hell. Ironic as F. Looks like you're the one who needs to reflect and educate yourself on how to treat people with mental issues. And by the way, why is it always the solution to leave if you don't like the way people are treating you? Then you're letting the bullies win and let them think that their behaviour is acceptable to do to someone else. I have every right to be here, same as you.

Honey, I really can't engage with you if you refuse to critically reflect on yourself. 

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I didn't want to say this but I would: you have no right to complain about your mental health when you literally attacked Meghan who was speaking about how tabloids are affecting her own mental health. Why is yours more important than hers?

Also you speak about bullying but what you said about Meghan is literally bullying. 

Check yourself and your attitude. This is the last I'll say to you about this because it seems as though that university education you speak off really didn't help you in understanding how to have respectful discourse. 

A book I would suggest you read and reflect on is The Origin of Others by Toni Morrison. It would help you see where your implicit racism is coming from  

Good luck! And don't let the "bullies" (as you refer to them as) get to you. I hope you can see how problematic the things you say are.

[StrawberryBlond 14,957]

15 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

I think I know what you frequently read. @StrawberryBlond

No need for the sass. People really need to stop making assumptions about me. You really make fools of yourself when you do.

15 hours ago, hausofcy said:

I don't know you but I just read through the entire thread and I think it's really unfair how you reply to certain members and play the victim here. You jumped in this thread and posted something that contained very strong and controversial opinions about someone. Ofcourse people will disagree and reply using the best arguments they can come up with to get their view across. I read everything and believe me, even though i don't know you I really feel for you. Your attitude in this final post just shows that certain people made several points about you. Varys for example actually tried to help and give you some advice and this is your response? You're actually the one that refuses to change a point of view or admit you were wrong for once. 

I'm not here to discuss the whole Meghan thing. I honestly couldn't care less about this whole discussion. I don't want to come off as hostile towards you but just open your eyes that some people are just trying to help considering your unfortunate situation. Even my DM's are open (even if we don't know eachother) if you would ever need to get something off your chest. But some self-reflection is strongly needed. Especially when so many people try to get a point across and you seem to just dismiss it without even trying to understand why they made these comments. Don't see everything as a personal attack on you. Some people really just tried to make you see some things differently. 

Peace and Love, 

Haus. 

There was me thinking you were going to support me halfway through that sentence. I'm only responding the way I am because they start hating on me. You'd do the same. If I let them speak these untrue assumptions of me without rebuttal, people will see what they say and believe it, so I've got to speak my truth. People were hardly responding with their best arguments, they were responding with attacks on me, big difference. Varys tried to "help" me in a condescending way. Advice mixed with subtle insults is not the way to go. In case you hadn't noticed, I'm the one in this thread who no one's listening to because they refuse to change their point of view of Meghan. I tried to tell them stuff that should be giving them pause, especially her diva behaviour, they won't listen. They want to like her and no matter what they hear, nothing will change their minds about her. No one here will admit they're wrong, I'm the one that's got to do all the grovelling, how about some humble pie from them? The fact you aren't getting on at them for the appalling things they've said to me is very telling.

Oh, I know why they made these comments. They think they're helping but they're just trying to get an ego boost and there are some members (you probably won't know my history with them) who have been hating on me for the last few years and look for any excuse to do so. They're stubborn people who really need to grow up and accept people have different opinions and leave them to it. Don't view it as a personal attack? Sorry, no, I know what a personal attack feels like. I've dealt with more than enough of them in my time to recognise one when I see it.

But thanks for the offer of a PM conversation - maybe that will help you see the real me instead of a confrontational one that's having to fight off people who are attacking me. That's the thing, none of these people have ever taken the time to get to know me or try to like me. That's where the disconnect and misunderstandings lie.

14 hours ago, KleinGa said:

Honey, I really can't engage with you if you refuse to critically reflect on yourself. 

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I didn't want to say this but I would: you have no right to complain about your mental health when you literally attacked Meghan who was speaking about how tabloids are affecting her own mental health. Why is yours more important than hers?

Also you speak about bullying but what you said about Meghan is literally bullying. 

Check yourself and your attitude. This is the last I'll say to you about this because it seems as though that university education you speak off really didn't help you in understanding how to have respectful discourse. 

A book I would suggest you read and reflect on is The Origin of Others by Toni Morrison. It would help you see where your implicit racism is coming from  

Good luck! And don't let the "bullies" (as you refer to them as) get to you. I hope you can see how problematic the things you say are.

I can reflect on myself. I've found that I've committed no wrongs in this thread other than having a strong opinion. But hey, free speech and all.

I already said that I don't believe Meghan's going through a bad case of mental health, she just wants us to believe she is. In reality, she's a narcissist who is infuriated that she isn't being adored and won't own up to the things she's done that makes the public dislike her. Bullying of public figures isn't bullying unless it involves name-calling, stalking, intimidation, taking things too far basically. Sounding off about them on a pop forum is not bullying, especially when it concerns a figure who the public are paying for.

I know how to respectfully argue. For one thing, I can't stand it when people talk over each other and take too long on their piece. I've had to bite my tongue around people like that. I also know not to resort to attacking others. I don't swear or shout or call names. But if you attack me, you can't blame me for giving it back. I've been a pushover for years, no more.

Not again with the implicit racism. I have shown zero racism, these points against her are nothing to do with race. You are obsessed with wanting to paint me as a racist when there's nothing there. And again with the condescending nature. I have read Why I Stopped Talking To White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge. I've listened to and cried to Maya Angelou's poem, The Mask. I have listened to the original and endless covers of Strange Fruit. I studied sociology and anthropology initially at university. I have a university degree in world religions. Black musicians form a lot of my earliest childhood memories. I have talked my own father out of racist thinking for years. I am perfectly open to working with, being friends with and being romantically involved with any minority. If you think I'm racist, you are so far off the mark. Because you didn't know any of this until now.

I hope one day I get to a point where I realise bullies aren't worth my time. I guess I care too much about what the world makes of me. It matters to me if there's lies spread about me and it makes people not want to be my friend or take me seriously. Surely you can understand that?

[RAMROD 110,766]

1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No need for the sass. People really need to stop making assumptions about me. 

I do know you eat ice cream and enjoy long talks though. I live across  the road... 

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,957]

1 minute ago, RAMROD said:

I do know you eat ice cream and enjoy long talks though. I live across  the road... 

 

Huh? What was the point of this?

[RAMROD 110,766]

2 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Huh? What was the point of this?

I am not too sure. 

[Morphine Prince 106,985]

@StrawberryBlond You sound exactly like the comments on those sites. 

Also: 

“I already said that I don't believe Meghan's going through a bad case of mental health, she just wants us to believe she is. In reality, she's a narcissist who is infuriated that she isn't being adored and won't own up to the things she's done that makes the public dislike her.“ 

We could say this about you. You are now playing victim because you’ve been confronted about your views.

You’ve also called all of us stubborn and accused us of trying to get an ego boost. You really believe everyone is against you and nothing else. 

It’s your VIEWS. Reflect. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,957]

2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

@StrawberryBlond You sound exactly like the comments on those sites. 

Also: 

“I already said that I don't believe Meghan's going through a bad case of mental health, she just wants us to believe she is. In reality, she's a narcissist who is infuriated that she isn't being adored and won't own up to the things she's done that makes the public dislike her.“ 

We could say this about you. You are now playing victim because you’ve been confronted about your views.

You’ve also called all of us stubborn and accused us of trying to get an ego boost. You really believe everyone is against you and nothing else. 

It’s your VIEWS. Reflect. 

So what if I do? Don't tell me what kinda style I should write in.

I knew you were going to say "we could say this about you." Matter of fact, I was going to insert it in my own post but thought better of it. I don't want to be adored, I just want to be paid a bit of common decency. You don't have to like me, just pay me some standard respect. And I've not done anything to make people dislike me other than spout an opinion which some took to heart. Perhaps my suggestion into the histrionics and suggestion that certain members were like this was a bit much but in my defence, I was pushed towards it. I will not denounce anything I've said about Meghan because I'm only relaying facts about her and my take on them. If people don't like that, that's their issue. And I'm not "playing" the victim. I am the victim because all I did was state my opinion and you lot attacked me. That's the definition of being victimisied.

Of course everyone is against me in this thread, apart from Madling and Lord Temptation who are now no longer a part of it. Everyone else has insulted me. Wouldn't you react the same in this situation? When you're cornered and insulted and sad? Yet I'm the one struggling to deal with empathy?

These are your ACTIONS. Reflect.

[Morphine Prince 106,985]

1 minute ago, StrawberryBlond said:

So what if I do? Don't tell me what kinda style I should write in.

I knew you were going to say "we could say this about you." Matter of fact, I was going to insert it in my own post but thought better of it. I don't want to be adored, I just want to be paid a bit of common decency. You don't have to like me, just pay me some standard respect. And I've not done anything to make people dislike me other than spout an opinion which some took to heart. Perhaps my suggestion into the histrionics and suggestion that certain members were like this was a bit much but in my defence, I was pushed towards it. I will not denounce anything I've said about Meghan because I'm only relaying facts about her and my take on them. If people don't like that, that's their issue. And I'm not "playing" the victim. I am the victim because all I did was state my opinion and you lot attacked me. That's the definition of being victimisied.

Of course everyone is against me in this thread, apart from Madling and Lord Temptation who are now no longer a part of it. Everyone else has insulted me. Wouldn't you react the same in this situation? When you're cornered and insulted and sad? Yet I'm the one struggling to deal with empathy?

These are your ACTIONS. Reflect.

Oh, so you knew? It’s the truth. 

You are not a victim. 

Everyone here confronted you about your views and you made it personal.

You were not pushed towards it.

There is nothing wrong with my actions. I simply responded to your posts. I haven’t attacked you personally. I just responded to the insane claims I read. 

[Celloo Deng 55,214]

[StrawberryBlond 14,957]

25 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Oh, so you knew? It’s the truth. 

You are not a victim. 

Everyone here confronted you about your views and you made it personal.

You were not pushed towards it.

There is nothing wrong with my actions. I simply responded to your posts. I haven’t attacked you personally. I just responded to the insane claims I read. 

No, I meant I knew you'd say "this sounds just like you." But I ultimately didn't see the purpose of mentioning it as you wouldn't take my rebuttal into consideration anyway. And, sure enough, when I attempted it just there, you didn't.

"Everyone here confronted you about your views" - sounds like victimising someone to me. When someone is confronted with no one else to turn to, they are victimised. And I made it personal? Of course I did! You were responding to my views and only mine. Again, do you not read what you're saying...self-reflect, you know?

I am pushed when people are quoting me, laughing at me, insulting me, calling me things I'm not. Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same in my position. No one's that saint-like.

How are my claims insane? Most of them were just truths. They complained about the devastation of climate change and then took private jets (even to the conferences). Meghan spent over £400k on clothes last year, making her the biggest royal spender in Europe (by hundreds of thousands), all from the taxpayers money. Meghan cleared 40 seats beside her at Wimbledon and got security to deny anyone the right to take photos around her (even though Wimbledon is a public event with cameras on everyone and the royals have never had seats beside them removed). Harry turned down a marine memorial event to accompany Meghan to The Lion King premiere to schmooze with celebrities. Meghan said in a speech that she funded her college education all by herself when this is a lie: her dad paid for it. Harry and Meghan have hidden away their baby from the public and kept so many details of him secret and insist he's a private citizen even though we're paying for him. Meghan turned down an invitation to Balmoral by the Queen insisting that Archie was too young to fly to Scotland yet she has taken him on planes before to foreign countries. In the recent documentary, Meghan said the press was ruining her life and last night, appeared at a charity event with big grins and hugs and lapping up the attention, all without Harry by her side. Does not one claim here make you think to yourself "That's a bit diva" or "That's a bit ungrateful" or "That's a bit much" or "That's a bit hypocritical"? At what point do you stop giving someone a free pass and start to think they need to be called out for some things here and there? How many red flags do you need before taking a dislike to someone?

[Morphine Prince 106,985]

31 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, I meant I knew you'd say "this sounds just like you." But I ultimately didn't see the purpose of mentioning it as you wouldn't take my rebuttal into consideration anyway. And, sure enough, when I attempted it just there, you didn't.

"Everyone here confronted you about your views" - sounds like victimising someone to me. When someone is confronted with no one else to turn to, they are victimised. And I made it personal? Of course I did! You were responding to my views and only mine. Again, do you not read what you're saying...self-reflect, you know?

I am pushed when people are quoting me, laughing at me, insulting me, calling me things I'm not. Don't tell me you wouldn't do the same in my position. No one's that saint-like.

How are my claims insane? Most of them were just truths. They complained about the devastation of climate change and then took private jets (even to the conferences). Meghan spent over £400k on clothes last year, making her the biggest royal spender in Europe (by hundreds of thousands), all from the taxpayers money. Meghan cleared 40 seats beside her at Wimbledon and got security to deny anyone the right to take photos around her (even though Wimbledon is a public event with cameras on everyone and the royals have never had seats beside them removed). Harry turned down a marine memorial event to accompany Meghan to The Lion King premiere to schmooze with celebrities. Meghan said in a speech that she funded her college education all by herself when this is a lie: her dad paid for it. Harry and Meghan have hidden away their baby from the public and kept so many details of him secret and insist he's a private citizen even though we're paying for him. Meghan turned down an invitation to Balmoral by the Queen insisting that Archie was too young to fly to Scotland yet she has taken him on planes before to foreign countries. In the recent documentary, Meghan said the press was ruining her life and last night, appeared at a charity event with big grins and hugs and lapping up the attention, all without Harry by her side. Does not one claim here make you think to yourself "That's a bit diva" or "That's a bit ungrateful" or "That's a bit much" or "That's a bit hypocritical"? At what point do you stop giving someone a free pass and start to think they need to be called out for some things here and there? How many red flags do you need before taking a dislike to someone?

Well, your comments do sound like those posts  

Confronting someone about their views is NOT victimizing. You really think you can post controversial views and not expect anyone to react? That's not how it works. Of course I responded to yours since it struck me in a very bad way. No one else in this thread made comments quite in that category. 

For one, your claim about a woman touching her belly = attention seeking, is crazy. 

All you just mentioned about her are things you can criticize. Go right ahead. 

I am just against all the dehumanizing that went on. And I'm against the tabloids ruining people's lives.