Isis militants break out of prison in Syria after bombing by Turkey

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2 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

It benefits Turkey to have ISIS released because they will weaken the kurds. It also benefits the Syrian government because the focus will be on ISIS and not them. It also benefits America if they want an excuse to start a new war. It also benefits some Middle Eastern countries because they hate Iran who are allied with the Syrian government. The truth is, all world governments want ISIS to exist and get bigger which is why it has power. 

Yup, so many scenarios. 

One More: It benefits Turkey because if ISIS goes to Europe again the region will be on edge. Russia and Turkey win again, thanks in part to president Trump. 

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On 10/12/2019 at 2:46 PM, Whispering said:

We’ve got an ISIS supporter...that explains the comments over the last few months. 

He's not an ISIS supporter, it's just unfortunate wording. He believes his people are better off fighting terrorist groups like ISIS without US intervention; that the US' actions are comperable to, if not worse than, those groups' actions; and that the US and other world governments directly feed into ISIS and other groups actively making the problem worse.

Just on that last bit, even though I'm mostly ignorant on the finer details and inner workings of US-Middle East relations and the whole...situation there, there's no denying the US is making things worse at least as often as they help.

Overthrowing governments, invading several countries, funding and arming rebels that eventually become terrorist groups, drone strikes, holding a constant military presence, it's all really sad. I mean, ISIS literally uses the US' actions as anti-US propaganda to indoctrinate others into their group and it can reach people here. That's what set off the Pulse nightclub shooter, apparently. ISIS propaganda and bigotry towards the LGBTQ community.

I can totally understand why someone who grew up in all that is ready to see the US leave for good even if that means they're on their own when combating horrid people.

Not justifying the literal statement of "I prefer terrorists" at all, just trying to understand the bigger point in @Faysalaaa's posts.

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12 minutes ago, PartySick said:

He's not an ISIS supporter, it's just unfortunate wording. He believes his people are better off fighting terrorist groups like ISIS without US intervention; that the US' actions are comperable to, if not worse than, those groups' actions; and that the US and other world governments directly feed into ISIS and other groups actively making the problem worse.

Just on that last bit, even though I'm mostly ignorant on the finer details and inner workings of US-Middle East relations and the whole...situation there, there's no denying the US is making things worse at least as often as they help.

Overthrowing governments, invading several countries, funding and arming rebels that eventually become terrorist groups, drone strikes, holding a constant military presence, it's all really sad. I mean, ISIS literally uses the US' actions as anti-US propaganda to indoctrinate others into their group and it can reach people here. That's what set off the Pulse nightclub shooter, apparently. ISIS propaganda and bigotry towards the LGBTQ community.

I can totally understand why someone who grew up in all that is ready to see the US leave for good even if that means they're on their own when combating horrid people.

Not justifying the literal statement of "I prefer terrorists" at all, just trying to understand the bigger point in @Faysalaaa's posts.

This is exactly what I meant to say so thank you. I did not mean to say ISIS is better or I prefer them! what I meant is I prefer to deal with ISIS than America because foreign government interference  made ISIS stronger so without that, we can defeat ISIS. Im also not anti America, every crime America does is also done by all governments.

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3 hours ago, PartySick said:

He's not an ISIS supporter, it's just unfortunate wording. He believes his people are better off fighting terrorist groups like ISIS without US intervention; that the US' actions are comperable to, if not worse than, those groups' actions; and that the US and other world governments directly feed into ISIS and other groups actively making the problem worse.

Just on that last bit, even though I'm mostly ignorant on the finer details and inner workings of US-Middle East relations and the whole...situation there, there's no denying the US is making things worse at least as often as they help.

Overthrowing governments, invading several countries, funding and arming rebels that eventually become terrorist groups, drone strikes, holding a constant military presence, it's all really sad. I mean, ISIS literally uses the US' actions as anti-US propaganda to indoctrinate others into their group and it can reach people here. That's what set off the Pulse nightclub shooter, apparently. ISIS propaganda and bigotry towards the LGBTQ community.

I can totally understand why someone who grew up in all that is ready to see the US leave for good even if that means they're on their own when combating horrid people.

Not justifying the literal statement of "I prefer terrorists" at all, just trying to understand the bigger point in @Faysalaaa's posts.

His people? They live in the US. He has lived in the US. Now he lives in Saudi Arabia, which has been an ally to the US since WW 2. The two countries were allies against the Soviets in Afghanistan and in the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait in 1991. The two countries are now allies against Iran. Saudi Arabia is not being invaded and overtaken by ISIS. We are not “in his country” fighting ISIS. 

He thinks every politician is a war criminal and anyone who votes is participating in war crimes. 

He’s trying to think of a way to twist facts around so that Trump won’t get blamed for abandoning allies to be slaughtered and for reigniting ISIS. 

There is no bigger point here. 

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17 hours ago, Whispering said:

His people? They live in the US. He has lived in the US. Now he lives in Saudi Arabia, which has been an ally to the US since WW 2. The two countries were allies against the Soviets in Afghanistan and in the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait in 1991. The two countries are now allies against Iran. Saudi Arabia is not being invaded and overtaken by ISIS. We are not “in his country” fighting ISIS. 

He thinks every politician is a war criminal and anyone who votes is participating in war crimes. 

He’s trying to think of a way to twist facts around so that Trump won’t get blamed for abandoning allies to be slaughtered and for reigniting ISIS. 

There is no bigger point here. 

I lived temporarily in the US for a college scholarship, im not American. I was born and raised in Saudi and I still live here. My mother is Syrian and I have alot of Syrian family who are now refugees. Also, all Arabs view themselves as one so even if I wasnt Syrian, they are still my people. So yes it is my people and my country so stop talking like you know who I am.

I never claimed every politician is a war criminal, many good ones who are anti war are running for presidency today like Bernie Sanders and many past presidents. But if you vote for a war criminal, you are literally participating in war crimes. You live in a democracy, so no excuse for your actions.

You can twist everything I say to me being a Trump supporter, I dont care. I guess you are compliment Trump by saying me being anti war means im a Trump supporter   

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