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Lilmonzter

Make good choices America

Or else you'll get a similar schmuck in the Whitehouse 

Our future depends on it. 

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POP2
20 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

There was literally a poll released today showing him with the highest net favorability ratings of the field today. 

One poll doesn’t mean much. If you look at polls average he is pretty far behind in Net favorability. 

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On 10/11/2019 at 1:33 PM, Lilmonzter said:

 

A lot of his original political positions are being copied by different democrats. Bernie introduced Universal Medicare, highering the minimum wage etc.

The mainstream media candidates are Mayor Pete, Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren. 

Bernie Sanders raised 25 million last quarter with mostly grassroots support, averaging 18$ a contribution by mostly teachers, Amazon employees and Starbucks employees.

Didnt he ask for small multiple contributions to make his average more supportive of everyday people tho?

 

that makes the $18 a little unreliable to me tbh :sweat:

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On 10/11/2019 at 7:35 PM, Whispering said:

He had a heart attack...at 78. It is highly likely he will have debilitating heart disease or die in the next three to five years. 

Having a heart attack at 78 is serious. 

3 to 5 years is a reaching call to make without knowing the details. Depends how bad it was, how much damage it caused and how well treated the root cause is

 

nevertheless i think hes high risk to take on such an important role whether or not he lives long enough to get thru term

 

President is a demanding and stressful job and a reasonable enough health especially when ur approaching 80 i think is crutial

 

Theres a famous woman here in the Toronto area (Hazel Mccallion) who was the Mayor of Mississauga (a city of 800,000 people or so) for over 30 years

 

She kept the city debt free, and so well functioning that she was winning over 90% of the votes even tho she would no longer campaign each term. Her name would simply appear in the ballot and shed win in a landslide cuz she did such a good job. In 2005 she won prize for #2 best Mayor in the entire world!

 

But at age 93 she decided to no longer run simply because she felt she was too old and was irresponsible to take on such a crutial important role when shes at an age that health can be super unreliable

 

Shes turning 98 in a few months still without health issue and shes still in politics (she currently works in the public transportation department) but she felt it just wasnt right to take a top position at her age despite her health still being good

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1 hour ago, POP2 said:

One poll doesn’t mean much. If you look at polls average he is pretty far behind in Net favorability. 

Idk what polls you’re looking at but you’re wrong. 

Morning consult had consistently showed he has the highest favorability ratings for the past month or two. 

I was referring to a Fox News poll in my previous comment.

The most recent yougov poll only had Warren and Bernie at the same net favorabulity (-2) among all adults. 

The Monmouth poll does have him -7 with all voters but he’s just as favorable among the democratic voters as Warren (note- Biden has the highest unfavorable among dem voters in this poll).

the other 2 recent polls in RCP average do not have crosstabs of favorability. So based on the most recent data we have and looking at all polls, there’s only 1 poll that supports what you’re claiming & I have 3 polls to support what I’m saying. So you tell me, who’s more accurate? 

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1 hour ago, Economy said:

3 to 5 years is a reaching call to make without knowing the details. Depends how bad it was, how much damage it caused and how well treated the root cause is

 

nevertheless i think hes high risk to take on such an important role whether or not he lives long enough to get thru term

 

President is a demanding and stressful job and a reasonable enough health especially when ur approaching 80 i think is crutial

 

Theres a famous woman here in the Toronto area (Hazel Mccallion) who was the Mayor of Mississauga (a city of 800,000 people or so) for over 30 years

 

She kept the city debt free, and so well functioning that she was winning over 90% of the votes even tho she would no longer campaign each term. Her name would simply appear in the ballot and shed win in a landslide cuz she did such a good job. In 2005 she won prize for #2 best Mayor in the entire world!

 

But at age 93 she decided to no longer run simply because she felt she was too old and was irresponsible to take on such a crutial important role when shes at an age that health can be super unreliable

 

Shes turning 98 in a few months still without health issue and shes still in politics (she currently works in the public transportation department) but she felt it just wasnt right to take a top position at her age despite her health still being good

Not calling you out specifically but do want to point out that the same people decrying Sanders for his age aren’t calling for Maxine Waters to stop running (she’s 81). She was 75 when first elected. 

Nancy is 79 right now (also older than Bernie) & nobody’s crying out that she shouldn’t be speaker of the house (pretty big role and in the line of succession for president). 

 

Yes, Bernie had a heart attack. Yes he’s 78. But beyond this ONE incident which has been mild in nature or it would have been worse than 2 stents and he wouldn’t be cleared to continue, he has not had any health issues to suggest he cannot do the job. 

 

He he has been campaigning in one way or another since 2015 & this is the only event to occur over the course of the past 4 years. **** Cheney has had like 4-5 heart attacks and he is still alive today. 

 

I understand having scrutiny over age* considering the scare but when you look at the age of other elected officials and their backgrounds, it’s a little hypocritical to hold Bernie to a different standard than the rest REGARDLESS of his position (Nancy’s position is just as high in profile but in different branches of government). 

RBG is 86 but everyone myself included want her in her position for as long as she can breathe due to the importance of her position. Despite her cancer scare, there aren’t cries that she cannot hold her position. Why? Because it doesn’t benefit them to say it bc Trump gets another Supreme Court judge. So again. I ask people that keep bringing Bernie’s age that why is it ok to be so hypocritical towards Bernie and not the others?

 

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ImTired

Bernie is nothing more than a modern day Eugene Debs, there to push far left policy into the mainstream. Anything else is delusion. But we can thank him for his contributions. 

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36 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

I understand having scrutiny over age* considering the scare but when you look at the age of other elected officials and their backgrounds, it’s a little hypocritical to hold Bernie to a different standard than the rest REGARDLESS of his position (Nancy’s position is just as high in profile but in different branches of government). 

RBG is 86 but everyone myself included want her in her position for as long as she can breathe due to the importance of her position. Despite her cancer scare, there aren’t cries that she cannot hold her position. Why? Because it doesn’t benefit them to say it bc Trump gets another Supreme Court judge. So again. I ask people that keep bringing Bernie’s age that why is it ok to be so hypocritical towards Bernie and not the others?

RBG not retiring during Obama's term was a major mistake in liberal circles and a lot of discussion is going on about justices having mandatory retirement. It's literally insane we let judges work until their death, if they don't chose to retire. Idrc about Bernie being old but Bernie and all the other old candidates have a 'voted-in' replacement in the form of a VP, unlike RBG and Nancy, but I don't know if you're in a good place when people are seriously talking about who will replace you, etc, in any government role.

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3 minutes ago, mauvais said:

RBG not retiring during Obama's term was a major mistake in liberal circles and a lot of discussion is going on about justices having mandatory retirement. It's literally insane we let judges work until their death, if they don't chose to retire. Idrc about Bernie being old but Bernie and all the other old candidates have a 'voted-in' replacement in the form of a VP, unlike RBG and Nancy, but I don't know if you're in a good place when people are seriously talking about who will replace you, etc, in any government role.

I wouldn’t be mentioning this but considering the fact that the corporate media and the people that don’t like him feel the need to push a narrative because they can’t bear the idea of him winning makes this discussion important. My position is that this discussion is more or less ageist because the facts do not suggest it merits the level of hysteria that now exists. I pointed out the other folks to suggest there’s a double standard. Your point about RBG’s health being an issue when democrats were in power is very telling and supports my point. People are dismissing RBGs age NOW because the alternative is very scary. In other words, the people who don’t like Bernie are going to make his health an issue because it’s advantageous to them to do so but if Bernie/Trump were reversed, everyone would be cheering Bernie on because of how awful Trump is. 

I mean at the end of the day the presidential nominee for the Democratic Party is going to be over 70 years old. Whether it’s Biden, Bernie or Warren. & if we really want to be transparent, just because the other two haven’t had heart attacks lately, there’s no guarantee they aren’t going to have issues either. & and for my part, I don’t take issue with it. But do think the discussion should be fair.  

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3 minutes ago, Halsey said:

Or how abt we say no to socialism and nominate Biden?

How about you read a book and realize that Bernie’s policies aren’t socialism & that there’s a difference between democratic socialism and authoritarian socialism that the Biden campaign keeps trying to scare voters about. 

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33 minutes ago, Halsey said:

Or how abt we say no to socialism and nominate Biden?

I don’t blame you for not knowing, but you are essentially advocating for neoliberalism when you call for people to vote for someone like Biden. 

Neoliberal politicians favor corporate interests over people.

It’s why we had NAFTA under Clinton. 

Its why we almost got TPP under Obama. 

It’s why the people of Iraq lost their right to unionize and their agriculture was sold to Monsanto under Bush. 

There is NO moral justification for Neoliberalism. Bernie is committed to stopping it. Warren, though having progressive tendencies, has yet to prove she is committed. 

 

We hear it everyday, over and over, the need to be moderate. The glorification of going back to politics as usual. The demonization of the “far left”. Understand that this noise is coming from corporations and people within corporate bubbles. CNN, MSNBC, FOX... they are all corporations and they all have a stake in who actually gets elected. 

Because a neoliberal will preserve their interests, and a true Keynesian politician, an FDR-type president will undoubtedly break up those media giants. 

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people are going to take issue with the fact that bernie had a heart attack and that he's 78, whether it's right to do so or not. and if bernie wins the nomination (which i, at this point, highly doubt, unless elizabeth warren somehow nosedives like kamala harris did), trump is going to take his health scare and run it straight to the bank. he's going to use socialism as his number one scare tactic, and i know what the polls say that bernie is winning nationally against trump, but quite frankly when trump sets his crosshairs on bernie and bernie alone, mark my words that is going to change. 

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1 minute ago, Eighteen said:

people are going to take issue with the fact that bernie had a heart attack and that he's 78, whether it's right to do so or not. and if bernie wins the nomination (which i, at this point, highly doubt, unless elizabeth warren somehow nosedives like kamala harris did), trump is going to take his health scare and run it straight to the bank. he's going to use socialism as his number one scare tactic, and i know what the polls say that bernie is winning nationally against trump, but quite frankly when trump sets his crosshairs on bernie and bernie alone, mark my words that is going to change. 

Trump is going to take Pocahontas straight to the bank on warren and call her a socialist. 

 

Trump is is going to take Ukraine to the bank on Biden and still call him a socialist. 

 

So what’s the point is dictating the nominee based on Trump?

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Just now, HorusRa2 said:

Trump is going to take Pocahontas straight to the bank on warren and call her a socialist. 

 

Trump is is going to take Ukraine to the bank on Biden and still call him a socialist. 

 

So what’s the point is dictating the nominee based on Trump?

i'm aware that trump will probably call anyone who wins a socialist, but on which candidate do you think that label will stick to most? may i remind you that only one of them will not say they are a capitalist (which will bother people).

i mean to me this is all whatever to me anyway because unless elizabeth warren messes up large, bernie's not winning. too much baggage from 2016 (whether people like it or not, he's got baggage), his health scare a few days ago, and even before that he trailed warren consistently in the polls bc she's just better. quite frankly, when it boils down to it, i honestly don't care who wins the democratic nomination as long as they win the general. but if you ask my honest opinion, it's probably not gonna be bernie. BUT i thought trump would never win so what do i know (back then i thought the american electorate was smarter than that but no both sides blew it and here we are). 

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