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1 minute ago, Morphine Prince said:

Warren is leading a winning campaign. She has slowly and consistently gone up the polls. 

At first I thought her getting close to the top was perhaps momentary but it seems she isn’t slowing down. 

Can’t believe I’m saying this but she could actually be the one to win the nomination.

I thought she wouldn’t have a chance back in December when she announced she was launching an exploratory committee due to the whole Native American thing. Guess I was wrong. 

Same

 

its funny i had to stay home today. Im discussing US politics on GGD while my tv is on Canadian politics

 

right now Green party Leader Elizabeth May as well as the NDP party leader were being interviewed :laughga:

 

talk about politics multitasking

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StarstruckIllusion
41 minutes ago, ThatBinch said:

Sanders has no chance. No chance. If the UK isn't ready for socialism then the US is even less likely. 

He’s a democratic socialist idk what doesn’t click w everyone? Trump already is a socialist... for the rich. 

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SEANGT
40 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

Nope. Not at all how the demographics are breaking down.

Old voters are going for Biden, wealthy white, college-educated liberals are going for Warren and working class people and young people are going for Bernie.

Polling outlets oversample elderly voters, the press has been glowing in their coverage of Warren and Sanders has either been ignored or smeared the entire cycle. That’s really it. There’s no left/moderate breakdown. The candidates’ bases of support are divided on class, race and age.

latest poll here has warren beating bernie in every demographic. More black support, more non-college-degree support, more college degree support: 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3643

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OG Gaga Stan
6 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Warren is leading a winning campaign. She has slowly and consistently gone up the polls. 

At first I thought her getting close to the top was perhaps momentary but it seems she isn’t slowing down. 

Can’t believe I’m saying this but she could actually be the one to win the nomination.

I thought she wouldn’t have a chance back in December when she announced she was launching an exploratory committee due to the whole Native American thing. Guess I was wrong. 

It definitely has to do with former Clinton voters coalescing around her after Harris’ (and a few others) candidacies collapsed. I’m definitely still worried about the Native controversy because you know Trump’s going to be screaming about it for a year if she does end up the nominee.

I’m obviously pulling for Bernie (as you know) and I definitely think he has a shot given that we’re months out from the first ballots being cast and given that we have several debates between now and then, but if she does end up with the nomination, I’m hoping she picks him for her VP. That would quell a lot of the fear that those of us on the left have that she’s not actually committed to left policy (M4A, etc.) and they’d make for an unbeatable team. 

If that’s the ballot we end up with... we could do a lot worse. 

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HorusRa2
7 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

latest poll here has warren beating bernie in every demographic. More black support, more non-college-degree support, more college degree support: 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3643

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And I’ve quoted you in a different thread for using this poll. Out of the recent polls, this is the only poll that shows this. All other polls before this showed Liz trailing Bernie in people under 30, under 50K a year in income, under in Latino & AA voters. 

Until polls release the ever important crosstabs consistently, it’s really hard to use this 1 poll to make an argument. 

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OG Gaga Stan
8 minutes ago, SEANGT said:

latest poll here has warren beating bernie in every demographic. More black support, more non-college-degree support, more college degree support: 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3643

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You’ve tried to do this before. One outlier isn’t at all indicative of the way the rest of the polling and demographic breakdowns have been going for months. 

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gabeoz
40 minutes ago, Economy said:

Your right but in the modern world in politics and economica the word socialism is usually used to describe bigger governemnt and left wing policies

 

ppl know perfectly well no one is suggesting taking over production like the technical definition of socialism

 

theres so many words in english that are no longer used by their original definition i dont know why this has to be such a stickler point when literally everyone knows what were talking about?

Its a stickler point because they're throwing around the word to purposely scare people. It's always been socialism = bad (rightfully so), now it's being used against left leaning candidates to scare voters, to convince them that theyre actual socialists that advocate for things like forced land seizure. Its so incredibly dangerous because it puts the candidates in harms way and is used as a tool to make conservatives, extremists.  

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Sanne Godijn
52 minutes ago, ThatBinch said:

But he is socialist and his policies are definitely socialist for the most part. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with it.  I agree with his policies. He just won't get elected in a million years. Bookmark me.

We also thought trump would never get elected and look what happend

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melodichard

Elizabeth is really gunning for the Progressive wing — https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-fundraising.html

This was a constant criticism from Bernie supporters over the last few months. 

I think she might have the perfect combination of appealing to both moderate and progressive ideologies to win the candidacy and beat Trump. 

And to everyone saying she will never get elected (or Sanders), we never thought Obama or Trump would be elected either. We have a long campaign trail left where a lot can happen. 

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Sanne Godijn
7 minutes ago, melodichard said:

Elizabeth is really gunning for the Progressive wing — https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-fundraising.html

This was a constant criticism from Bernie supporters over the last few months. 

I think she might have the perfect combination of appealing to both moderate and progressive ideologies to win the candidacy and beat Trump. 

And to everyone saying she will never get elected (or Sanders), we never thought Obama or Trump would be elected either. We have a long campaign trail left where a lot can happen. 

In others words anything can

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SEANGT
25 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said:

And I’ve quoted you in a different thread for using this poll. Out of the recent polls, this is the only poll that shows this. All other polls before this showed Liz trailing Bernie in people under 30, under 50K a year in income, under in Latino & AA voters. 

Until polls release the ever important crosstabs consistently, it’s really hard to use this 1 poll to make an argument. 

 

23 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

You’ve tried to do this before. One outlier isn’t at all indicative of the way the rest of the polling and demographic breakdowns have been going for months. 

the one i used is the same pollster but a newer poll. Here's a totally different poll. newest from yougov showing they are tied or warren leading in all demographics (page 164): 

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/eb2rrb9ofh/econTabReport.pdf

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this one shows warren is close to sanders in all demos but sanders is slightly leading with younger, no-degree, and non-white voters. But I don't think 2-6% is super significant to be the main storyline of their campaigns like I keep seeing. on page 11: 

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_100219.pdf/

 

other polls in the realclearpolitics polling average i looked into but did not find breakdown data. 

 

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LateToCult

Bernie dropped the ball by not going after Warren before her momentum started rolling. Idk if he thought it was just gonna be him and Biden the whole way or what but his style should probably change by the next debate. Look at Warren. She’s evading M4A like a champ for now because she’s playing to win. Now that she’ll start to have more “Warren overtook Biden” headlines it’ll be increasingly difficult for Bernie to take her down.

IMO Bernie is in for some rough months up ahead. He’s not getting any notable support from the potential voters Biden has been bleeding because of Ukraine even though he’s supposed to be the second choice of many. On top of that he now has to deal with the public’s perception of his health because of the heart attack. It’s good for his campaign that it’s still relatively early but it won’t be for long.

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ThatBinch
1 hour ago, OG Gaga Stan said:

You don’t. I’m a socialist. Sanders isn’t a socialist.

He’s advocating for what would be fairly moderate social and economic reform in any other industrialized nation. Most of his proposals simply bring us in line with the status quo that currently exists around the world.

You came into this thread and claimed that a candidate has “no shot” at a viable candidacy based on “what you’ve heard” from people you know. Forgive me for not taking that sort of political forecasting seriously.

Not at all. Sanders isn’t a socialist. He’s not advocating for a state-run or even worker-run industry. He’s pushing for social-democratic change. I’d give my right arm to have a viable socialist candidate in the US.

He may be proposing common sense policies that bring the U.S in line with the rest of the world, but that doesn't mean the policies aren't socialist. A lot of countries have a mix of socialist and capitalist policies. The UK, for instance, has the NHS which is funded by taxpayers but it also has privately owned rail networks etc. Medicare for All  is a socialist policy. Being a socialist doesn't necessarily mean advocating its purest form i.e. the government controlling all means of production. 

'From what I've heard' is a phrase. I'm not basing political opinions based on what "people I know" have told me. That's you taking the phrase too literally, much like you do socialism.

Let's just say I'll see you next year when Sanders doesn't win. Again. :vegas:

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Postboy

I would GLADLY vote for Warren if she picks up Bernie’s plan to get money out of politics, just like she’s picked up the rest of his platform. 

Edit: Also, healthcare is my second most important issue. Is she really going to fight for and implement Medicare-for-all?

How dare people from Canada and the UK call a policy such as this “far left” when they get to enjoy their single payer system every day. 

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AndyDWUW

Don’t forget that the mainstream media will also skew any other data in her favor. Such as implying that Bernie “followed in her footsteps” on wealth tax while Bernie has been advocating for that for 30+ years.

Reasons not to support faux progressive Warren:

flip flops on medicare for all. Has called it a “framework”, she will use this excuse to give up on this and make people lose faith. Private insurance will still be kept for mental health, why does she think mental health should not be accessible to everyone?Her daughter’s company merged with a big private insurance company so she has a stake in keeping private health insurance alive. Nothing in her website states “single-payer” system, so she is being ambiguous on purpose. She has called other healthcare plans “good plans, its not a contest”. It is a contest, people are literally dying and clinging for life bc of their health problems and financial repercussions. It is a fight for their lives.

Israel - signed a letter to obama to veto any UN resolution that condemned israel’s illegal settlement enterprise. She defended israel when they bombed gaza

Voted in favor of trump’s military budget twice. Nearly $1 trillion for military, to bomb middle east, kill people

No plan to deal with medical debt!

Means-tested for her resolutions such as student debt. This is not good bc its not fair, this creates envy and bureaucracy w all diff numbers. 

Did not endorse bernie in 2016!

Republican, native american! Lied for years to advance her career! Literally took jobs that Native Americans who were actually opressed could have gotten.

No solidarity with dakota access pipeline. Stayed quiet while Bernie vocally supported their fight.

No banning lobbying, just taxing wtf. She is not willing to ban legal bribery in the US while Bernie does.

Denounced big money now but literally taking it in the general election and also using $10 million from senate campaign to presidential campaign (deceitful). This $10 million includes money from billionaires and lobbyists, literally the people she’s supposedly against. She will take millionaires’ money and do their bidding and be just like Obama.

Raised money for raytheon (military industrial complex)

Actively courting the manipultive DNC elites

Talking w Hillary Clinton behind closed doors. The mother of the DNC, wall street lover, status-quo lover. 

Opportunistic and conveniently (unlike bernie who he fought for the same ideas for 40 yrs)

Media loves her bc she is no threat to their establishment and power

Will not support primary challengers to democrat colleagues- shes a team player

Half the country is living pay check to pay check and under her drug pricing Americans will be required to pay $6,000 a year for drugs, while Bernie’s cap is only $200 a year.

Lied about why she left public school teaching (visibly pregnant vs the fact that she didnt have the proper credentials for a permanent position)

Less individual donors (bernie has more donors in counties that went from obama to trump)

Not diverse (rich white elite)

Not ending at Will employment(bernie will)

No plan to double union membership(bernie will)

No rent control(bernie will introduce rent control)

No ban on fracking

Does not tax the wealthy enough (just 3%)

Represented multiple corporations who had damage lawsuits. She was literally hired to minimize the payments these evil corporations had to pay their victims. Example #1: Used every trick of the book to minimize payments to women who were getting money for breast implants that were faulty and caused autoimmune diseases. Warren sold women out for big corporations. The company was Dow corning. 

 

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