3rd Democratic Primary Debate Discussion

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

1 hour ago, HorusRa2 said:

From a human perspective, this was a very endearing moment for Pete. However, this is a primary where we select the person who is the standard bearer of our party. Pete with few exceptions never speaks with specificity on policy & speaks in sprawling platitudes. You can say he has plans on his website all you want, but there’s no excuse for him to be on 3 debate stages and for people to not be able to say what he stands for. 

I am also tired of Pete saying that he is a progressive. Agreeing with Israel’s apartheid state, coming out against free college and Medicare For All, and being “troubled” by Chelsea Manning does not make you a progressive 

[Marilyn MonHoe 11,011]

2 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

I don't give a single **** about whether Castro was rude or unpresidential or what not. 

Joe Biden is the worst person on that stage in regards to policy, outlook, and his only reason for being high in the polls is recognition and romantization of the Obama era and he KNOWS that.

The fact that he thinks that it makes him a good candidate or qualified to beat Donald Trump despite his politics being out of touch with many people both in the Democratic party and the large independent and young voting base... well its arrogant, point blank. Anything that hurts him at all, I will support. I dont know if Castro's did, because the DNC and corporate media want him to win (precisely because he'd be a shitty president  ) they will excuse every mistake he makes as just "good ol Joe, remember he worked with Obama"

Obama didnt even want to pick Joe Biden because he disagreed with his politics immensely, and Biden was a garbage candidate back then who seems to have Not learned any lessons.

 

Even Biden’s wife doesn’t think some of his policies are as good as the other candidates 

Yikes 

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18 minutes ago, scarlxrd said:

I forgot to add her to my losers list. Sorry.

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I think Amy Klobuchar had a big night and I was IN THE ROOM. She came out strong, and she really opened her spot in the field. In a government of far-left Democrats, and far-right Republicans, Amy has maintained a centrist stance, and that's lead her to be the most productive minority-party Senator since John McCain in 1994!! She has a record of getting things done, has a record of working across the aisle even during historic polarization, and she has a record of winning in areas that don't usually go blue. She's the one who can bring it to Trump. There are a lot of conservative-leaning republicans that don't want to vote for Trump, but see Socialism as too extreme so they swallow their pride and go with Trump. Amy can give them a reason to vote blue.

[MJHolland 12,725]

10 hours ago, scarlxrd said:

He wasn’t wrong tho. Biden keeps forgetting what he says. This is something that has been going on for too long now no im glad someone finally brought it up on stage. He also wasn’t wrong when he called out Biden for his hypocrisy on taking credit for the good things Obama and he did. But not for the bad things. He also made a great point about how these are the Democratic primaries. They’re supposed to go at each other. Maybe he should’ve been “nicer” about it. But I don’t think he was wrong.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2306860001

You can think whatever you want, but Castro was wrong when he attacked Biden on healthcare lol. Castro forgot what was said 2 min prior. 

They’re supposed to go after each other on substance, not petty attacks IMO. That’s why I’m an Democrat and not a Republican. 

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4 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/2306860001

You can think whatever you want, but Castro was wrong when he attacked Biden on healthcare lol. Castro forgot what was said 2 min prior. 

They’re supposed to go after each other on substance, not petty attacks IMO. That’s why I’m an Democrat and not a Republican. 

Of course I can think whatever I want. And the fact of the matter is he wasn’t wrong. And if you’re not a democrat nor a Republican, maybe you should consider looking at some independent candidates idk.

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Just now, scarlxrd said:

Of course I can think whatever I want. He wasn’t wrong. 

Read the transcript 

he was wrong, bro — it’s not a matter of opinion lmfaooo

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27 minutes ago, MJHolland said:

Read the transcript 

he was wrong, bro — it’s not a matter of opinion lmfaooo

Exactly, it’s not a matter of opinion. Don’t read the transcript, actually watch what he said bro

 

[Gagaloo911 12,959]

8 hours ago, HybridAT said:

Lol. Is this the only attack *some*(again, I say some not all, don't want to paint everyone in a broad brush before anyone quotes) Sanders supporters have left in their toolbox? To continue to cling to false narratives and misrepresentations? He literally has a whole ass policy platform on his website(https://peteforamerica.com/issues/), has released 8 extremely comprehensive plans, literally shouted out his Black Agenda - Douglass plan on that stage yet "empty platitudes, no policy proposals or actual plans". What a laughable statement, seriously. It's called nuance, not everyone gets it. Thankfully he has 400k donors, now definitely more, who understand it and are rooting for him for a more united country, a message he continued to hammer in today's debates and remains the only candidate to consistently do so in every debate.  If this is the only thing you can come up with, you'll have to try much, much harder. 

Also his "billionaire donors" can literally donate as much as everyone else, a maximum of $2800 per the FEC limit and have no say or influence, just like everyone else donating. He also recently raised $750k in a single day from just grassroots donations without any event, debate push or end of quarter deadline. But I guess facts are less important now than conspiracy  theories.

Does it not hurt to be this willfully ignorant? It's okay to support a candidate but do it without spreading lies and disinformation and forcing false narratives about others. That'd be great.

He's going nowhere. He has enough money to sustain his campaign all the way till the end. Stay pressed and deal with it. 

 

Lmaooo oh please. You're the one who's obviously pressed that others aren't blind enough as you and that we can see right through him. He never speaks of said plans or gets into specifics. And his supposed "riveting" speeches are more platitudes that don't get into that and that we're all sick of from politicians.

You're right, he is going nowhere in the primary, as in he'll remain at his 2-4% in the polls. 

And also, based on who's donating to him, he's got the MONEY but hasn't got the people. 

I for one prefer candidates who actually have people behind them and not big money and huge donors 

3 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

From a human perspective, this was a very endearing moment for Pete. However, this is a primary where we select the person who is the standard bearer of our party. Pete with few exceptions never speaks with specificity on policy & speaks in sprawling platitudes. You can say he has plans on his website all you want, but there’s no excuse for him to be on 3 debate stages and for people to not be able to say what he stands for. 

Exactly this. 

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1 hour ago, MJHolland said:

Read the transcript 

he was wrong, bro — it’s not a matter of opinion lmfaooo

Lmao you're helpless aren't you. We all heard it with our own ears. First he said you'd buy in to it, then he said you wouldn't have to. Maybe he wasn't clear enough but bottom line is he changed what he said originally.

Why are you making excuses for him? We all have EARS and EYES and know what he said regardless of how high you reach for the stars to defend him here. 

[HorusRa2 5,005]

1 hour ago, thedirtymonster said:

I think Amy Klobuchar had a big night and I was IN THE ROOM. She came out strong, and she really opened her spot in the field. In a government of far-left Democrats, and far-right Republicans, Amy has maintained a centrist stance, and that's lead her to be the most productive minority-party Senator since John McCain in 1994!! She has a record of getting things done, has a record of working across the aisle even during historic polarization, and she has a record of winning in areas that don't usually go blue. She's the one who can bring it to Trump. There are a lot of conservative-leaning republicans that don't want to vote for Trump, but see Socialism as too extreme so they swallow their pride and go with Trump. Amy can give them a reason to vote blue.

You cannot forget that the standard bearer of the party must be able to energize the base. The base is to the left of Amy. Let’s not forget that in 2016 we chose a candidate who was more moderate because “electability” and too many democrats stayed home because they didn’t want to vote for either of the two most disliked candidates in our history. 

Now if we want to talk about electability, we have Bernie who has been under presidential campaign level of scrutiny since 2015. He has received more donations from individual donors than all of the democratic field as well as Donald Trump & also has more donors than anybody in the dem field in the counties that voted for obama twice and then voted for Trump. It’s not even close. Bernie has consistently polled better than Trump in head to heads (by bigger margins than Hillary in 2016. His margin of victory has lowered since then but still beats Trump in almost every poll. We know he has an electoral strength in rural places and the Midwest & has the opposite stance to HRC on the issues that Trump hit her on in order to win. 

 

All Trump has on Bernie is “socialism bad” but Bernie has won many elections going back to THE 80s when it was an even worse word than it is today & he’s still managed to win elections. There is not an argument to make that would suggest Amy has the capability to perform better than Bernie by any metric I know to use. 

[TheQueenLG 2,469]

3 hours ago, scarlxrd said:

Exactly, it’s not a matter of opinion. Don’t read the transcript, actually watch what he said bro

 

I've been looking for this exchange since last night. "automatic buy-in" vs "automatic enrollment".... It's honestly kind of trivial, isn't it? 

Castro was effective in making Biden look foolish, but if I'm not mistaken, this really isn't that big of a disagreement. 

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6 hours ago, HorusRa2 said:

From a human perspective, this was a very endearing moment for Pete. However, this is a primary where we select the person who is the standard bearer of our party. Pete with few exceptions never speaks with specificity on policy & speaks in sprawling platitudes. You can say he has plans on his website all you want, but there’s no excuse for him to be on 3 debate stages and for people to not be able to say what he stands for. 

Were we watching the same debate? Thankfully a lot of people were listening closely. And are you seriously suggesting that it's possible to hear specific policy stances in debates where  there are 10-20 candidates and each is given a minute to answer? Sheesh.

Also just because you (and others, including those who have reacted to your post) have deliberately chosen to shut your ears out because you support a certain [insert candidate] doesn't mean that he's speaking platitudes. Again, it's tiring trying to debate with people who don't want to listen at all in the first place. I'm done here.

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3 hours ago, Gagaloo92 said:

Lmao you're helpless aren't you. We all heard it with our own ears. First he said you'd buy in to it, then he said you wouldn't have to. Maybe he wasn't clear enough but bottom line is he changed what he said originally.

Why are you making excuses for him? We all have EARS and EYES and know what he said regardless of how high you reach for the stars to defend him here. 

Castro was wrong. Two minutes prior, Biden said that under his health-care plan, “every single person who is diagnosed with cancer or any other disease can automatically become part of this plan.”

And about ten minutes prior to that, Biden said it more plainly: “Anyone who can’t afford it gets automatically enrolled in the Medicare-type option we have.”

Biden had already explained that under his plan anyone could choose to opt into Medicare, and anyone who could not afford it would be automatically enrolled:

There are people who automatically get enrolled in his plan. As Biden said, these people “do not have to buy in. He was incorrect that Biden forgot something about his own plan. It was Castro who forgot what Biden said.

 

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12 hours ago, scarlxrd said:

I’m honestly surprised Warren didn’t go as hard on Biden. This was their first night together. And I agree, polls will probably stay the same.

She is a wise person. She knows that she needs Biden’s coalition to win the nomination and the general. He has more black voters, blue-collar voters, moderate voters and older voters. Right now isn’t the time to go hard on anyone for her, as her plan so far has been proving to produce positive results. You don’t fix what isn’t broken.