Twitter gays triggered by It: Chapter Two

[Bling 31,375]

Spoiler

Shows the insinuated love story between Bill Hader's character and "Eddie". This WASN'T in the book and the filmmaker chose to shed light on this and I applaud them for their vision. 

As a gay man who loves horror and has read the book, seen the 1st movie countless times, and saw Chapter 2 opening night last night, I really enjoyed the fact that Part 2 follows the book more closely than the 1990s film and I wasn't bothered by the opening scene. It's important in the storytelling in my opinion and the clown brutally murders children so why are we gays off the hook for brutality in this film?

It seems the Twitter peeps paid so close attention to this but didn't recognize that the film also (click Spoiler above, can't figure out how to move it on my phone)

At any rate, I highly recommend the film and enjoyed it more than the first one. I think the opening scene was required to have the necessary impact for the storyline later revealed. Twitter gays, once again, just want to be offended by everything. If it wasn't in the film, they'd be complaining that it was in the book and not represented in the movie...

[LibraOctober98 3,495]

1 hour ago, Inferno said:

Whether or not it happened in the first film is entirely irrelevant because the first film re-interpreted the novel (in some ways for the worse). The intention of the current feature film iteration of It, is to stay closer to the novel. Thus why people apparently keep responding to you with facts about the novel. And how these gay characters related to the story.

Ok that makes sense. HOWEVER. Like some people were saying, they made the the scene different from the book in that it sort of made no sense/they didn't really explain the purpose. And there are people who love the first film, so maybe the tea is that it was better to reinterpret the book than to make a not so great "closer to the novel" film iteration that did not keep with "the facts of the novel." Like, if we couldn't explain to the audience a 30 page scene that is apparently important to the plot, maybe just cut it down to the part where the gays are assaulted and just leave the audience with that? Uhhh no it'd be better to find some other way to interpret that some evil hoes live in Derry. 

[Mister G 10,422]

I didn’t take that approach as homophobic. Adrian was a victim in the novel and Pennywise/IT doesn’t care if you’re gay, straight, black, white...if you’re in its sights, it’s open game for the creature. 
 

I didn’t leave the movies crying and if anything was actually impressed how close to the source material they kept it. And honestly, they explored Richie’s sexuality and his deeper feelings for Eddie. If you can’t handle one f-ing scene, then don’t watch the movie.

[witchcocktor 1,438]

This is a symptom of a larger issue that is

1) how few movies have LGBT main characters and couples
2) how frequent it is  LGBT (main) characters get killed in entertainment overall
3) how much LGBT (main) characters and couples suffer and get bad endings in entertainment overall, while the straight characters and couples live happily ever after

and those AREN'T things to belittle, and if anyone here thinks different, you can choke

A lot of people were obviously triggered. And I do mean triggered in the right sense, that it truly triggered some really unpleasant experiences in a lot of gay people, who had to come face to face with the brutality of gay bashing, that while isn't as severe as it used to, still exists and scares a lot of us. For a gay person who just wanted to watch a horror movie, and didn't expect such explicit, morbid gay bashing scene, yes this would leave a lot of people feeling really horrified.

With that said, it's a horror movie, so... whatever, it's not completely uncalled for that there would be horrifying things happening to gay people. But that doesn't really erase the issues that pertain in (popular) entertainment that often gay couples and people suffer for their sexuality.  

 

[Guest Adarsh]

Some people in this thread are so ****ing insensitive. Such a shame.

[melon 3,587]

loved the film, thought the beginning was harrowing and a reminder LGBT+ people face this abuse and discrimination far more regularly in “developed” nations than maybe we would like to believe 

[Nightwing 518]

3 hours ago, Sepsami said:

Pennywise feeds on fear, obviously he prefers to devour the terrified person instead of the group of men that aren't scared at all 

That's not a hard rule. Obviously. He likes to play with his victims, taunt them, get them to feel fear... it's a game to him. My opinion still stands unshaken.

[Ziggy 11,792]

1 hour ago, witchcocktor said:

This is a symptom of a larger issue that is

1) how few movies have LGBT main characters and couples
2) how frequent it is  LGBT (main) characters get killed in entertainment overall
3) how much LGBT (main) characters and couples suffer and get bad endings in entertainment overall, while the straight characters and couples live happily ever after

and those AREN'T things to belittle, and if anyone here thinks different, you can choke

A lot of people were obviously triggered. And I do mean triggered in the right sense, that it truly triggered some really unpleasant experiences in a lot of gay people, who had to come face to face with the brutality of gay bashing, that while isn't as severe as it used to, still exists and scares a lot of us. For a gay person who just wanted to watch a horror movie, and didn't expect such explicit, morbid gay bashing scene, yes this would leave a lot of people feeling really horrified.

With that said, it's a horror movie, so... whatever, it's not completely uncalled for that there would be horrifying things happening to gay people. But that doesn't really erase the issues that pertain in (popular) entertainment that often gay couples and people suffer for their sexuality.  

 

I agree with you up to the point of why that scene was *written* in the first place. It was a reference to a real-life event that shook King a bit and as he saw it as inexplicably evil, he included it in the novel to make a point about human capacity to be horrific. It’s not like a lot of other horror or drama that capitalizes off of gay trauma just for the sake of it. It was there to make a point. So I think in this particular case it’s different. You go to a horror movie to be horrified; it’s not jump scares lol in this case, the horror was more insidious and real which should rightly give people pause and have them feel shaken. Were it done without any purpose to give it weight then I would feel differently, but this was not pure exploitation on King’s part, it was conscious, thoughtful inclusion of something that he found to personally be absolutely horrific and used it to enlighten a larger point that he was trying to make. Without fetishization, I think the scene is perfectly fine and people should feel shaken by it because that’s why it was written. It did what it was supposed to do.

Now with that said, I also find it a little rich that these same people don’t bother to go into the violence against women that is *much* more rampant in horror and so many more grotesque ways. And the last movie had Beverley’s pervy dad and child maiming. So I’m kind of like, “uh way to be self-serving in where you take offense here y’all...”

[Henri Bardot 3,990]

first world problems smh

instead of getting worried about hate crimes yall get worried about gay people getting killed in a movie where also children get murdered

[nikola 4,342]

Twitter gays need to find a **** to sit on..... It's a movie... a horror one... Black people were killed left and right in horror movies... So we're other people.... I mean did any of them watch saw movies or hellraiser movies... People get brutally murdered in those movies... What's up with sudden shock out of nowhere 

[Eddie 2,518]

I swear to God I'm about to beat some gay asses till they don't crave **** anymore  and then we want to be understand and accepted but we come up with **** like this 

Those gays better be glad they include gays in it. Oh mY GOD!!! I CAN'T SERIOUSLY WITH THESE OVERSENSITIVE C*CKSUCKERS 

[Morphine Prince 105,816]

@pink sushi Look at people’s opinions 

[ThisGuyTony 30,479]

The overreactions.

[Vision of Love 365]

https://slate.com/culture/2019/09/it-chapter-two-homophobic-killing-charlie-howard-opening-scene.html?fbclid=IwAR0X49F_a6J3A-_1IrPbm83UlbJXx4w1h_4db9y4KYfP3iD7jEXYxK6N9vc

 

this article sums up my feelings on it.

[Hurem 17,800]

6 minutes ago, Vision of Love said:

https://slate.com/culture/2019/09/it-chapter-two-homophobic-killing-charlie-howard-opening-scene.html?fbclid=IwAR0X49F_a6J3A-_1IrPbm83UlbJXx4w1h_4db9y4KYfP3iD7jEXYxK6N9vc

 

this article sums up my feelings on it.

Good god, whoever wrote this article is a freaking dumbass. This part made my eyes roll so hard:

With the camera somberly trained on Richie’s face, a voice-over implores him to be “proud” as he looks on from a carving of his and Eddie’s initials together. The scene is, frankly, ridiculous, not least because of how it asks him to be “proud” while being too timid to say what precisely it means out loud. Why is this even here?

They really wanted someone to have to boring ass coming out speech we’ve seen over and over? This subtle but power message was so much better.

I wonder why Hollywood even tries including gay arcs when nothing will ever satisfy certain snowflakes.