seashellplay 512 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 my personal opinion is that 2013 in general, was a dark time for music, i mean blurred lines was considered a hit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,311 Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 11 minutes ago, homomo said: If you look at it though, ARTPOP and Joanne are basically the same in terms of commercial success. - ARTPOP: 258K first week sales - Joanne: 201K first week sales - Million Reasons and Applause are on the same level of hits - DWUW was even bigger than Perfect Illusion The only mess of the ARTPOP era was her firing her entire team early 2014 and there not being a properly promoted third single. But like she had to do that, because they were using her as a money making machine. Other than that, everything else was fine. Even the second single switch from Venus to DWUW was a good choice commercially, as it performed much better. i don’t know. Everyone always said “omg remember how bad ARTPOP tanked” but like I remember it very clearly, and it wasn’t as bad as people say it was. Yeah, she wasn’t as critically acclaimed at the time (she had a lot of haters) but ARTPOP outperformed almost every single album released that year. Preach, let them know . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVeryGagaHolyDick 25,754 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 12 minutes ago, homomo said: If you look at it though, ARTPOP and Joanne are basically the same in terms of commercial success. - ARTPOP: 258K first week sales - Joanne: 201K first week sales - Million Reasons and Applause are on the same level of hits - DWUW was even bigger than Perfect Illusion The only mess of the ARTPOP era was her firing her entire team early 2014 and there not being a properly promoted third single. But like she had to do that, because they were using her as a money making machine. Other than that, everything else was fine. Even the second single switch from Venus to DWUW was a good choice commercially, as it performed much better. i don’t know. Everyone always said “omg remember how bad ARTPOP tanked” but like I remember it very clearly, and it wasn’t as bad as people say it was. Yeah, she wasn’t as critically acclaimed at the time (she had a lot of haters) but ARTPOP outperformed almost every single album released that year. Joanne was released in 2016 though, which makes its performance a lot better compared to ARTPOP but I see what you mean (and yes DWUW was 100x bigger than PI) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxr 1,016 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, SeashellGangsta said: but bxr!!!! her hip went !!!! remember!!!!! But a hybrid can withstand these things!!! … hips, also don’t subscribe to the laws of hypotheticals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsches 17,434 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Not knowing what the Venus de Milo is while preaching about art Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 kevvy k-kevin your muscles make my tongue grow m-more colorful than the applause video ououguohgh!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, bxr said: But a hybrid can withstand these things!!! … hips, also don’t subscribe to the laws of hypotheticals right! ok that was hypothetical oopsie mommy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, tomsches said: Not knowing what the Venus de Milo is while preaching about art THIS OMG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashellplay 512 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 maybe ARTPOP act ii could've been lg5 and it would be so funny . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
homomo 23,883 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 25 minutes ago, KEVIN STEVE said: Joanne was released in 2016 though, which makes its performance a lot better compared to ARTPOP but I see what you mean (and yes DWUW was 100x bigger than PI) They were only released three years apart. Even with Joanne’s inflated numbers, ARTPOP still did slightly better. ARTPOP pure sales were 251,000 Joanne’s pure sales were 170,000. 0110100001100101011011000110110001101111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipz 1,200 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 The first mistake for her is doing Born this way as an album, which I am happy she did. She lost almost all her fans back then for doing an LGBT related album, especially she lost the media support and love, during that time the media loved Adele, reflecting absolutely on Gaga's image, back then it was a big scandal and you could basically kill your career with such an album. Today is a little different with Taylor Swift and her You need to calm down thing. It's not risky. The last couple of years have been so woke in the US for any kind of rights. It's very different. People who were there during the BTW era would understand me without the need to explain my post here. In a short term it was a mistake, actually not a mistake, but a risk, but in a long term it was the best step she took, because today BTW is one of the most iconic albums of all time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenegAde 19,311 Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 32 minutes ago, chipz said: The first mistake for her is doing Born this way as an album, which I am happy she did. She lost almost all her fans back then for doing an LGBT related album, especially she lost the media support and love, during that time the media loved Adele, reflecting absolutely on Gaga's image, back then it was a big scandal and you could basically kill your career with such an album. Today is a little different with Taylor Swift and her You need to calm down thing. It's not risky. The last couple of years have been so woke in the US for any kind of rights. It's very different. People who were there during the BTW era would understand me without the need to explain my post here. In a short term it was a mistake, actually not a mistake, but a risk, but in a long term it was the best step she took, because today BTW is one of the most iconic albums of all time. Exactly most of the things people mentioned here are not mistakes but risks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakariah 11,722 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 giving up on music video visuals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeaarrllaalloo 3,962 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Cheek to Cheek and pre-Joanne era "By FaR ThE MoSt IrRiTatInG PoSteR oN "ChRoMaTiCa" DisCusSion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModernEcstasy 9,048 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 I agree with you. I feel as though she needs a whole new team. It’s no good just running a business with “friends”. she needs people who tell her like it is. It’s as though the lot of them (including Gaga) are too scared to say no to each other. keep friends and business separate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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