Workers forced to attend Trump event or not get paid.

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8 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said:

Yikes. And as for those asking if it's legal.. do you think it matters? The law and rule of law don't matter anymore, and in many ways it never has for wealthy white men considering they've historically gotten away with anything and everything in this country. 

Our legal and criminal justice system is a joke in this country. It's a two-tiered system anyway and the powerful wealthy people get held to a different standard than the rest of us. He'll get away with this, just like he's gotten away with everything else, and the WEAK PATHETIC Democratic leadership will do nothing about it just as they've proven time and time again.

I mean there is countless evidence this President has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, yet the weaklings Pelosi and Schumer dismiss it all.

This is how its always been though. Illegal wars, Jailing journalists, Spying on Americans, yet people still vote for these people. They only have a problem with it when the orange Trump does it. The working people are as guilty as these rich men with power.

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4 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

This is how its always been though. Illegal wars, Jailing journalists, Spying on Americans, yet people still vote for these people. They only have a problem with it when the orange Trump does it. The working people are as guilty as these rich men with power.

I see what you're saying and you're right for the most part. The only thing I think is also important to consider though is the influence and importance of the propaganda network on the right from places like Fox News who mislead and misinform their audiences intentionally to blame those who are powerless instead of those who are really at fault for everything which is the rich, entitled establishment class.

Those who consume news only on that side are missing an entire perspective and don't realize how the system works because the networks don't want them to. Of course, this is arguably an issue for all corporate and establishment media, but those on the right in particular.

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1 minute ago, Gagaloo92 said:

I see what you're saying and you're right for the most part. The only thing I think is also important to consider though is the influence and importance of the propaganda network on the right from places like Fox News who mislead and misinform their audiences intentionally to blame those who are powerless instead of those who are really at fault for everything which is the rich, entitled establishment class.

Those who consume news only on that side are missing an entire perspective and don't realize how the system works because the networks don't want them to. Of course, this is arguably an issue for all corporate and establishment media, but those on the right in particular.

I dont think anyone today including people who watch the Media believe the media. Almost every person will tell you they are all liars. But people dont care, they act like they do but then act in their own interest just like these rich corporate politicians.  I extremely disagree with you that the media on the right is worse, they are both the same and owned by the same people.

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5 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

I dont think anyone today including people who watch the Media believe the media. Almost every person will tell you they are all liars. But people dont care, they act like they do but then act in their own interest just like these rich corporate politicians.  I extremely disagree with you that the media on the right is worse, they are both the same and owned by the same people.

For the most part no, but I can promise you Fox news watchers believe them because they don't consider them part of the "liberal media" when corporate media would be more accurate and include Fox.

As for who's worse though, on issues like wealth inequality and corruption you're right. Neither of them talk about it.

But on other important issues it's very clear which side is worse. You don't have anchors on CNN or MSNBC claiming white supremacy is a hoax, or somehow defending hate crimes and violence against protesters. Fox news can't relate and is the absolute bottom of the trash that is the corporate media.

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25 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said:

Yikes. And as for those asking if it's legal.. do you think it matters? The law and rule of law don't matter anymore, and in many ways it never has for wealthy white men considering they've historically gotten away with anything and everything in this country. 

Our legal and criminal justice system is a joke in this country. It's a two-tiered system anyway and the powerful wealthy people get held to a different standard than the rest of us. He'll get away with this, just like he's gotten away with everything else, and the WEAK PATHETIC Democratic leadership will do nothing about it just as they've proven time and time again.

I mean there is countless evidence this President has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, yet the weaklings Pelosi and Schumer dismiss it all.

Please don't drag me if I'm wrong or if I'm simply drinking the Kool-Aide without realizing it, just trying to learn, but isn't  Pelosi and Schumer waiting or dragging feet on impeachment their tactic, so that they can try and get enough ammo against the President? If I remember correctly, I was listening to a podcast put out by MSCNBC and they kept pointing to cases involving Trumps general team (past and present). From what I understood and remember, Meadows kept pointing to these cases as a way to signify that support and credibility for impeachment is building up. Essentially getting as much intel about Trump through those cases that they can get before proceeding with a call to impeachment. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said:

For the most part no, but I can promise you Fox news watchers believe them because they don't consider them part of the "liberal media" when corporate media would be more accurate and include Fox.

As for who's worse though, on issues like wealth inequality and corruption you're right. Neither of them talk about it.

But on other important issues it's very clear which side is worse. You don't have anchors on CNN or MSNBC claiming white supremacy is a hoax, or somehow defending hate crimes and violence against protesters. Fox news can't relate and is the absolute bottom of the trash that is the corporate media.

The average fox news viewer age is 65

All media lie about important things like war and actually help the military industrial complex to push for propaganda. This is just one example. The media is owned by wall street, military industrial complex, and big corporations. They all lie about actual corruption and crimes.

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is this even allowed?

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6 minutes ago, SecretIAdmire said:

Please don't drag me if I'm wrong or if I'm simply drinking the Kool-Aide without realizing it, just trying to learn, but isn't  Pelosi and Schumer waiting or dragging feet on impeachment their tactic, so that they can try and get enough ammo against the President? If I remember correctly, I was listening to a podcast put out by MSCNBC and they kept pointing to cases involving Trumps general team (past and present). From what I understood and remember, Meadows kept pointing to these cases as a way to signify that support and credibility for impeachment is building up. Essentially getting as much intel about Trump through those cases that they can get before proceeding with a call to impeachment. 

 

The claim is that they are "building the case" and trying to get as much ammo as they can. In reality though they're dragging their feet for political reasons because some members of the House are in districts that Trump won and don't want to pursue impeachment because they're scared of losing their seats if they do. 

Also, Robert Mueller already laid out all of the evidence in his report released earlier this year. So I'm not sure what else they're waiting for if we accept their argument that they're "building the case" when Mueller has already done that. The next step according to the Constituion is impeach, yet it isn't being done.

Impeachment is a duty though, and regardless of the political situation lawmakers should fulfill their constitutional duty and proceed with impeachment. It's spineless to not do so with everything this President is doing, and the only thing Demcratic leadership seems to be worried about is politics.

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7 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

The average fox news viewer age is 65

All media lie about important things like war and actually help the military industrial complex to push for propaganda. This is just one example. The media is owned by wall street, military industrial complex, and big corporations. They all lie about actual corruption and crimes.

All corporate media anyway, yes. Independent media are much better with this though considering they're not owned and controlled by those corporations. 

Bottom line, I agree with what you're saying. The Corporate media on both sides are trash and do a disservice to the American people, protecting the political and corporate establishment so they can continue to control everything.

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3 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said:

All corporate media anyway, yes. Independent media are much better with this though considering they're not owned and controlled by those corporations. 

Bottom line, I agree with what you're saying. The Corporate media on both sides are trash and do a disservice to the American people, protecting the political and corporate establishment so they can continue to control everything.

Yeah we do agree, I just personally dont like making the argument about whos worse, because they are not that far from each other. 

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Omg!! This is in my town!!  This is insane! I don’t care how much pay i would be losing, I wouldn’t show up! No one would force that upon me!! I work at a cafe where we are allowed to basically wear anti trump shirts!