Hybrid AT 78 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, HorusRa2 said: The fighting gets old and causes both sides to dig our heels deeper into our camps. At the end of the primary, assuming Bernie is the nominee, I want you to be enthusiastic to vote for a Bernie and not stay at home. I donât have any issues with any candidate on a personal level; however, I want our nominee to be as genuinely progressive as possible because I believe only a unified party under a populist left agenda is capable of winning back the senate and beating Trump.  Also saw saw the other posts about Bernieâs fund transfers and wanted to add that other candidates did the same (Warren, Gillibrand & Klobuchar for sure, maybe others). Why would I? I've said it before and I'll say it again, whoever is the nominee has my full support. I totally respect Bernie for the work he's done over the years even if I don't support the far-left progressive agenda. That being said, I'll support my candidate of choice until it's possible. My point of mentioning that was that Pete is literally the least rich candidate running in the race while other senators and governors, like @Ziggy fairly mentioned, have war chests filled coupled with high name recognition. He has had to work on both fronts from literal scratch. It's extremely important for him to get every dollar that he can regardless of the source so he can build a steady ground organization in primary states if he wants to win. And as long as he can make policies for the middle class Americans that put their issues front and center, the elitist candidate argument is out of the window. All I'm saying is everyone needs to see the full picture before pointing fingers at each other. "I was protected by the monks of Azarath, I was raised by my friends. They are my family, this is my home and you are not welcome here." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othon 34,299 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: And we love that! At least we arenât polling at 0% like many others! Their post literally doesn't even make any sense. Sanders coming in second in every major poll in a field of dozens of candidates is a bad thing now?   Biden's only polling around 25%-30%. And what? He's winning.  Plus, Sanders has consistently polled around 20% over the course of the entire primary when you look at the aggregate of polls, so their numbers weren't even accurate. These people have worms in their brains, I swear to god... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilmonzter 2,864 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Good on Bernie a purely grassroots movement Sing C'est la vie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
 Morphine Prince 110,023 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, OG Gaga Stan said: Their post literally doesn't even make any sense. Sanders coming in second in every major poll in a field of dozens of candidates is a bad thing now?   Biden's only polling around 25%-30%. And what? He's winning.  Plus, Sanders has consistently polled around 20% over the course of the entire primary when you look at the aggregate of polls, so their numbers weren't even accurate. These people have worms in their brains, I swear to god... Not to mention how Bernie has completely transformed the overall rhetoric of the Democratic platform. Some of these people sound like Bernie clones at times because they are desperate to get all voters and not just the moderate Democrats  and are still polling at 0%. Isnât weird how they all want that 15%? Hmm. Itâs almost as if theyâre very important to win an election. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerMonster 2,361 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Bernie is a joke. Donât play with me, it just hurts me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, HybridAT said: Why would I? I've said it before and I'll say it again, whoever is the nominee has my full support. I totally respect Bernie for the work he's done over the years even if I don't support the far-left progressive agenda. That being said, I'll support my candidate of choice until it's possible. My point of mentioning that was that Pete is literally the least rich candidate running in the race while other senators and governors, like @Ziggy fairly mentioned, have war chests filled. All I'm saying is everyone needs to see the full picture before pointing fingers at each other. Oh, you misunderstand. Iâm saying the fighting is tiring and Iâd rather fight less because I would hate for that to cause you to sit out voting if Bernieâs the nominee. :-)  One thing I would say about Pete is while heâs doing well in individual donors (over 400K) his best support is in Indiana and Midwest states. So many of those areas vote later so heâs gonna have to do something to get more support in the early states so he can make it until then. Iâd also say while heâs generated a lot of cash, he needs to stop focusing on those big fundraisers with rich donors. They donate a lot of money but isnât a sustainable model for future cashflow. Example: to be competitive in California as an example, youâre going to need 20-30 million for an ad campaign. That right there makes up all the cash he collected in the past quarter alone.  My anecdotal prediction is that Pete will do best in Iowa, decent in NH but unless things change I really donât see his campaign keeping momentum once he hits Nevada and SC. Bernie and Biden currently have the AA and Latinx communities largely on their side. Itâs the same for Liz who really needs to connect with the AS community and assure them she understands black issues and will address their needs specifically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 174,781 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: Not to mention how Bernie has completely transformed the overall rhetoric of the Democratic platform. Some of these people sound like Bernie clones at times because they are desperate to get all voters and not just the moderate Democrats  and are still polling at 0%. Isnât weird how they all want that 15%? Hmm. Itâs almost as if theyâre very important to win an election. With the little faith I have in Bernie's possible legislative effectiveness as president, there is absolutely no denying his influence will be all over Dem/liberal politicians and voters for years Bernie, Warren, or Pete. Any one of them would be a good leader imo so as long as one of them gets the nomination I'm happy. And as long as there's a Democrat in office next, I'll be content at worst. Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
 Morphine Prince 110,023 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, PartySick said: With the little faith I have in Bernie's possible legislative effectiveness as president, there is absolutely no denying his influence will be all over Dem/liberal politicians and voters for years Bernie, Warren, or Pete. Any one of them would be a good leader imo so as long as one of them gets the nomination I'm happy. And as long as there's a Democrat in office next, I'll be content at worst. They hate him because of his influence. Notice how whenever the Sanders supporters here criticize candidates itâs overwhelmingly due to their policies and records. Sanders haters seem to purely hate him over petty personal reasons. I donât HATE any candidate in the Dem race. Several of them would make great presidents overall. But the fact of the matter is Sanders is my preferred candidate and idgaf who is mad over it. I will voting for him next March whether he be polling at 15% or 0%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion Heart 15,041 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Mayor Pete Buttigieg in front of the rest of the field with 23 billionaire donors to date. Â âââââââââââââââââââââââââ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorusRa2 5,005 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: They hate him because of his influence. Notice how whenever the Sanders supporters here criticize candidates itâs overwhelmingly due to their policies and records. Sanders haters seem to purely hate him over petty personal reasons. I donât HATE any candidate in the Dem race. Several of them would make great presidents overall. But the fact of the matter is Sanders is my preferred candidate and idgaf who is mad over it. I will voting for him next March whether he be polling at 15% or 0%. People should also maintain that criticism to a candidate doesnât mean that the candidate s/b cancelled. Only when a politician continues to ignore his or her constituents or the American people should they be dragged. Itâs okay to be wrong on an issue and evolve as long as itâs authentic and you donât flip flop. Bernie as an example has gotten better at speaking to and ensuring his policies help address AA issues. While heâs still not perfect (hello reparations) he has still improved from where he was 3 years ago and he did this by surrounding himself with people from AA community and listening to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaLuna 12,732 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, PunkTheFunk said: Reminds me of this I laughed way too hard at this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverLoader 1,254 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: Unlike you I donât care about how old someone is or the color of their skin. I care about their policies and their record, and Bernie has one of the best records of any politician. Funny how you donât care about American politics yet you always end up on these threads You have more in common with Trumpettes than you think. Where do you get the impression I don't care about American politics? Another lie.  It was commentary on the irony of the situation but I'm not surprised it went over your head. What you don't know could fill a warehouse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotyourbabe10 6,120 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Bernie is truly ARTPOP in politics Or "message, not the bling" (?) Anyway, Bernie/and/or Warren 2020!! GGD is relatively woke -- so is America. Get that consistency with our man Bernie! Grassroots revolution for the win! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoverLoader 1,254 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, OG Gaga Stan said: It's almost as if there are people that vote based on policy and ideological consistency rather than identity? And erasing Sanders' Jewish identity isn't woke.  You really thought you got in a good drag there, huh? Oh that is HILARIOUS. If the republicans put up an 80 year old white guy as a successor to Trump, you'd be the first to cry about them not representing real America. Do you know what also isn't woke? Throwing in "but he's Jewish!!!" as a defense to your support of the old white male patriarchal system. It's like Trump saying he can't be racist because Diamond and SIlk support him lol!  The bottom line is this: there are better, more diverse, more demographically relevant candidates with broadly similar policies than Sanders to choose from. They also don't want to give child molesters and white supremacist mass murderers the right to vote like Sanders does. Your hypocrisy is palpable.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
 Morphine Prince 110,023 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, RoverLoader said: You have more in common with Trumpettes than you think. Where do you get the impression I don't care about American politics? Another lie.  It was commentary on the irony of the situation but I'm not surprised it went over your head. What you don't know could fill a warehouse. âBut whatever, I could give less of a **** tbh as it really doesn't affect me lol. WHoever they are, they won't be MY presidentâ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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