Morphine Prince 109,649 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Economy said: I don't know why Americans when they talk about wanting universal healthcare they always bring up Canada as an example. Were really not the best example for it @Born To Slay @Morphine @SamanthaC Why do Americans always reference Canada when talking about free healthcare? Most of Europe has a more full version of Universal healthcare than Canada Cause we don't even have THAT Literally all we are begging for is AT LEAST the bare minimum It may be the bare minimum to you but for us it would be a revolutionary upgrade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,842 Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 Just now, Morphine Prince said: Cause we don't even have THAT Literally all we are begging for is AT LEAST the bare minimum It may be the bare minimum to you but for us it would be a revolutionary upgrade Lol don't get me wrong. The free family doctor visits, most types of surgeries or tests like blood tests, x-rays etc is nice to not have to worry about paying for that I just mean there's more Countries with a fuller coverage and more complete healthcare that would be better examples is all I'm saying Unless the US WANTS to leave some segments of healthcare privatized then I guess our system can be studied lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born To Slay 10,996 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Economy said: Yeah... Whatever the US chooses to do it does need to change its system. The US system costs more per capita and a higher share of GDP than just about every other developed Nation to not even cover everyone so it doesn't make sense As for Canada I'd love it if Dental, Vision Care, Prescriptions, Chiropractors, medical equipment (like casts or electric chairs) etc etc etc was free and didn't belong to private healthcare But I Don't think in Canada people would ever accept the tax rates of most European Countries so it wouldn't really be possible to pay for all of that The reason why I think it’s more possible here is because healthcare is obscenely expensive and a system where everything is covered would actually cost less then our current system. The one thing that I can’t stand about our government tho is the military budget. There’s no resistance on either side, it grows every year at obscene rates and that money could be funding things for our people at home. You could cut our defense budget in half and it’d still be bigger than China and Russia combined. Imagine if we spent that 300 billion on something actually useful? Or used it help pay off our debt? I’d take anything over the current pissing it away in useless war. I know it seems unrelated but the ““defense”” budget really keeps us from having nice things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkmanthaC 115,027 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 8 hours ago, Economy said: @Born To Slay @Morphine @SamanthaC Why do Americans always reference Canada when talking about free healthcare? Most of Europe has a more full version of Universal healthcare than Canada I don't know much about the differences in Canadian vs. European health care. What I do know is it is considered universal, but that there are ups and downs to that. I know that you still have to pay privately for some doctors and those fees are crazy because there isn't insurance per say. I know there are Americans that get prescriptions from Canada because they are cheaper. Our prescriptions are crazy expensive, especially if you don't have good insurance or none at all. My EpiPens would cost over $300 without insurance (for the generic) and who can say no to that?? I think many Americans just view universal healthcare as a system where you can go to the doctor without having to worry about paying for it. I realize this isn't as simple as it may seem. You sometimes have to wait awhile to get into a doctor (which can happen here too, but not always). I know some women that have tried to get fertility treatments in the UK but have been denied altogether because of their BMI, where in the US it is a non-issue as long as you are overall healthy. There is no perfect healthcare system. Just better ones. But there are ups and downs to every system. I do think the US needs health care reform at minimum. The costs of healthcare coverage are crazy expensive, and insurance is expensive, even if it's employer provided. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,842 Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, SamanthaC said: I don't know much about the differences in Canadian vs. European health care. What I do know is it is considered universal, but that there are ups and downs to that. I know that you still have to pay privately for some doctors and those fees are crazy because there isn't insurance per say. I know there are Americans that get prescriptions from Canada because they are cheaper. Our prescriptions are crazy expensive, especially if you don't have good insurance or none at all. My EpiPens would cost over $300 without insurance (for the generic) and who can say no to that?? I think many Americans just view universal healthcare as a system where you can go to the doctor without having to worry about paying for it. I realize this isn't as simple as it may seem. You sometimes have to wait awhile to get into a doctor (which can happen here too, but not always). I know some women that have tried to get fertility treatments in the UK but have been denied altogether because of their BMI, where in the US it is a non-issue as long as you are overall healthy. There is no perfect healthcare system. Just better ones. But there are ups and downs to every system. I do think the US needs health care reform at minimum. The costs of healthcare coverage are crazy expensive, and insurance is expensive, even if it's employer provided. We do have insurances for those doctors and the parts of healthcare that are private but it's just that not everyone has them For example my insurance covers 80% for dental and prescriptions, up to $250 a year for vision care, and up to $500 a year for mental health Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkmanthaC 115,027 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Just now, Economy said: We do have insurances for those doctors and the parts of healthcare that are private but it's just that not everyone has them For example my insurance covers 80% for dental and prescriptions, up to $250 a year for vision care, and up to $500 a year for mental health But this is nothing in comparison. For example, my insurance covers 80% of prescriptions, but I get Botox every 3 months which is well over $1000. So I pay over $200 for it, which thankfully I'm in a position I can do. $250 can be an order of 6 months of contacts or a pair of glasses. $500 for mental health could be 5 visits, which is nothing if you actually need therapy or other medical help for that. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,842 Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, SamanthaC said: But this is nothing in comparison. For example, my insurance covers 80% of prescriptions, but I get Botox every 3 months which is well over $1000. So I pay over $200 for it, which thankfully I'm in a position I can do. $250 can be an order of 6 months of contacts or a pair of glasses. $500 for mental health could be 5 visits, which is nothing if you actually need therapy or other medical help for that. Yeah. That's good. Most health insurances here in Canada are of limited coverage. Practically only public service workers like Doctors, Teachers, City workers etc are given insurance with 100% coverage At the end of the day the Downsides like wait times I think are a little dramatized and exaggerated by US media. It isn't as crazy long for everything as they make it sound. Like today I had to see my family doctor and I was able to get a slot open the day of just to give an example. And the X-ray I gotta do I booked an appointment and I only have to wait 1 day But on the flip side Universal Healthcare (at least Canada's version of it) is also not as free as some Liberals portray on US media. There still ends up being a lot of out of pocket costs especially if you don't have a very hardcore Universal healthcare like some European Countries Here in Canada the following are all privatized without Government funding: - Dental - Vision Care - prescriptions - chiropractors - some types of specialists - phychologists and some other types of mental health assistance including assessments - some types of non-necessairy surgeries - medical equipment aids such as casts, crutches, electric chairs etc What is part of the Universal Government funded system is: - Family Doctor Visits - Tests like blood work, x-rays, ultrasounds, cat scans, MRIs etc - most types of surgeries (excluding some non necessary ones like stuff that's considered cosmetic) - ER visits - Impatient Hospital stays - some types of specialists like heart specialist, liver or kidney specialist etc. However in Canada we don't mix private with Government care like some countries do a hybrid of... Here there is strict distinction. Either something belongs to private healthcare like vision care optometrists, or its Universal healthcare like hospitals and no private ones are allowed. Each segment of healthcare is either belonged to one or the other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SharkmanthaC 115,027 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Economy said: Yeah. That's good. Most health insurances here in Canada are of limited coverage. Practically only public service workers like Doctors, Teachers, City workers etc are given insurance with 100% coverage Moving to Canada.... My insurance is okay but next year they have this thing where they want all these hospital systems to sign on to an agreement of how much each procedure will be. Only like 3 hospitals in the state have signed up so I think we will have to pay to add me to my husband's insurance next year. she/her/hers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,842 Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 2 hours ago, SamanthaC said: Moving to Canada.... My insurance is okay but next year they have this thing where they want all these hospital systems to sign on to an agreement of how much each procedure will be. Only like 3 hospitals in the state have signed up so I think we will have to pay to add me to my husband's insurance next year. I'm not saying every single pink c sector position in every single city gets benefits like that tho I'm generalizing. Im sure some government workers don't get benefits that good. But at least teachers I've met, and even a lot of city workers get full coverage I know for the Private sector my insurance is about as good as it gets. I pay $15/week (my employer covers the other 50%) and I get 80% for medications and dental and a certain amount for vision care and mental health Most ppls insurances here unless they work for government their insurance often covers less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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