The Monster Ball 2.0 is overrated!

[andy232000 11,509]

13 minutes ago, AJRocketMan said:

You mean stairs, hunty, not ladders. 

no sis, LADDERS! 6:10!

This Bitch climbed 4 to 5 ladders every night. No wonder her hip betrayed her 

 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

6 hours ago, James Gibson said:

Monster Ball 2.0 was made when Gaga was completely broke and in a very short span of time. Doing all they did in weeks and with the budget it's extraordinary what came out. She brought all her greatest ideas since then, did a very creative storyline that became a trademark for her. It's was a peak of creativity.

I prefer the BTWB and find artRAVE completely underrated but there's no way M 2.0 can be dismissed

What was "very creative" about the storyline? She had to find her way to the "monster ball" and then when she got there - had to kill the monster. And that was about it.

[joannesrats 26]

While it's true about the production and stuff, I think the majority of users just miss that attitude of hers. I miss it sometimes, too, but i also love an expensive production. I think BTWB and some moments of the JWT were like that, like in Bloody Mary where she said, "Sorry Joanne. There's a new girl in town." right before the scream. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

4 hours ago, andy232000 said:

I agree! the BTWB is the superior tour of hers. To think she had to CLIBM latters up FIVE stories every night just to reach certain places of the castle is just ugh her mind

To me the Btw ball staging overwhelmed the show.  it was too much.  TMB was a good show but people saying the story is more cohesive than Enigma are seeing through a nostalgia lens. I prefer the simpler sets and more Gaga focus of Artrave and JWT.  

[Guest]

I can understand if you like the other tours over MB 2.0 but saying Enigma is better than MB 2.0 is insane

[Adakam 2]

It had a soul that no other tour has had, i cant explain it, but the feel is just different. Maybe part of it is because of that low budget, it felt, more natural...

[James Gibson 3,491]

11 hours ago, Alexander Levi said:

What was "very creative" about the storyline? She had to find her way to the "monster ball" and then when she got there - had to kill the monster. And that was about it.

Well, I really liked that the course of the show was Gaga trying to find the actual show she's playing with. The meta thing was nice.

And this concept was a nice analogy to 'belonging' since she proclaims the Monster Ball was a place she created so her fans would have somewhere to go. Through the show she's looking for this place to go but get lost for many reason (the metro tracks break, theres a tornado, the fame monster attacks and stuff).

She puts some serious topics in a campy way cause thats her thing and it worked out for me. But its fine if that doesn't amuse you.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

7 minutes ago, James Gibson said:

Well, I really liked that the course of the show was Gaga trying to find the actual show she's playing with. The meta thing was nice.

And this concept was a nice analogy to 'belonging' since she proclaims the Monster Ball was a place she created so her fans would have somewhere to go. Through the show she's looking for this place to go but get lost for many reason (the metro tracks break, theres a tornado, the fame monster attacks and stuff).

She puts some serious topics in a campy way cause thats her thing and it worked out for me. But its fine if that doesn't amuse you.

Imran I went when I was like 15/16 and it was my first ever concert that I saw - but I just thought the spectacle of it all was much more interesting than the actual plot.

[giskardsb 12,565]

9 hours ago, Adakam said:

It had a soul that no other tour has had, i cant explain it, but the feel is just different. Maybe part of it is because of that low budget, it felt, more natural...

It brought a huge theatrical component back to pop shows, with a darker NY edge.   If Enigma was the show at that time people would feel the same way about it because it would have been so much more than what other pop stars have done.  In many ways TMB was simplistic compared to more recent tours, but it was different than the usual pop tour and the grand introduction of Lady Gaga to the world so of course it's going to have high nostalgia value.   It's understandable that fans keep wanting  Gaga to "top" herself  but it gets a bit out of control.    Trying to always be "bigger" with more spectacle is a never ending proposition that ends up into self parody, which at times is what the BTWB ended up looking like to me by trying to up the spectacle too far.   It ends up taking away from Gaga herself.

[brucee 1,690]

MB 2.0 is the best show of my life I saw it twice, I saw other big artists artrave and btwb... It's just so unique. The energy....

[Inferno 2,880]

Monster ball v.1.0 is the best imo but 2.0 is definitely a close second with the jwt and fame ball immediately behind it. Tbtwb was good as well. ArtRave was wack af.

There was a specific display of passion and spontaneity in her earlier tours that has gone missing though in both jwt and enigma. If you're wondering why people love the early tours, I think that's why. 

[alextruper17 8,908]

Well, the intro itself slays other's entire shows.

[AmericanxDream 2,049]

Version 2.0 was vastly superior to version 1.0. Like, what did version 1.0 have that was better than 2.0? Dental chairs? 

[Schwerk 7,246]

18 hours ago, giskardsb said:

To me the Btw ball staging overwhelmed the show.  it was too much.  TMB was a good show but people saying the story is more cohesive than Enigma are seeing through a nostalgia lens. I prefer the simpler sets and more Gaga focus of Artrave and JWT.  

The MB story was more cohesive imo. It was heavily inspired by The wizard of Oz but mixed with NYC culture. And for the people that didn't get those references, it was still pretty clear  Gaga was trying to get to the monster ball to party with us like like minded people, but had to overcome some obstacles to get there (subways and cars breaking down, a tornado etc) She kept saying she wanted to go to the monster ball, thats all the audience really needed to know, so it was pretty clear to me.

Enigma's storyline is an odd mix of the MB story together with the BTW GOAT story mixed up with a confusing metaphor for mental health. 'I need to get in the safety sphere' What for? Never have I ever heard the audience get confused or even laugh at her like I did at Enigma. It was very: Girl, what the hell are you on about? It happened sometimes during the BTWB too, but not as much.

I usually totally get Gaga, but Enigma was the first storyline that seemed too far fetched and complex for the message to reach the audience.

[giskardsb 12,565]

1 hour ago, Marjol said:

I usually totally get Gaga, but Enigma was the first storyline that seemed too far fetched and complex for the message to reach the audience.

Maybe, but the other tour storylines to me always seemed like a very thin veil grafted onto the show.    BTWB had potential but wasn't carried all the way through.   She's hampered though by having to cram in a bunch of stuff people want to hear.   I need Gaga to make a true concept album with a matching stage production.