Didymus 34,380 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Just now, Faysalaaa said: No Anarchist believes in anti guns or else how will they defend themselves without a state? defending yourself from other countries too and invaders. I just told you that's not true. Educate yourself about American anarchism and stop representing it in a biased way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 20,956 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Europe shakes their head in disbelief and disgust everytime this happens and NOTHING changes about gun laws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 20,956 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 17 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: I would not say it leads to less mass shooting, yes maybe make it more strict but im not sure that will change anything. If I decided to be a criminal today and I wanted to mass shoot, I wouldnt care if its legal or not and I wont give up because guns are illegal. Sis then why are these mass shooting only happening in 'Murica Other countries actually have gun control Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Temptation 11,209 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 30 minutes ago, Sepsami said: Sis then why are these mass shooting only happening in 'Murica Other countries actually have gun control These spree attacks barely existed 30 years ago. Something changed in American society over the last three decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Sepsami said: Sis then why are these mass shooting only happening in 'Murica Other countries actually have gun control Not true, many countries has no gun laws and population owns alot of guns without any restrictions, yet no gun shootings at all. I live in Saudi Arabia, we never had any of these problems yet everyone has guns. America has high gun crimes for other reasons I think. But again, I do support strict gun laws aslong as guns are allowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Didymus said: I just told you that's not true. Educate yourself about American anarchism and stop representing it in a biased way. Oh so you telling me is the way to educate myself? I also told you its not true yet you refuse to educate yourself. lol that is your logic. You take things way too personal and get defensive like on the Ariana forum which is why I did not respond to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Oh so you telling me is the way to educate myself? I also told you its not true yet you refuse to educate yourself. Why are you so hard to talk to? I literally gave you specific examples: post-left anarchism and pacifist anarchism and those are only two "brands" of American anarchism that don't support private ownership of guns, not even in the context of insurrection. The difference between you and me is I bring nuance to an overly simplistic argument ("anarchists all support private gun ownership") while you refuse to acknowledge that nuance and continue to present the overly simplistic argument anyway If I get defensive it's because you refuse to be corrected when you spout these blatant falsehoods. And apparently I'm not the only one with that problem, so maybe open your ears and acknowledge the possibility that it might point to something problematic at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, Didymus said: Why are you so hard to talk to? I literally gave you specific examples: post-left anarchism and pacifist anarchism and those are only two "brands" of American anarchism that don't support private ownership of guns, not even in the context of insurrection. The difference between you and me is I bring nuance to an overly simplistic argument ("anarchists all support private gun ownership") while you refuse to acknowledge that nuance and continue to present the overly simplistic argument anyway If I get defense it's because you refuse to be corrected when you spout these blatant falsehoods. And apparently I'm not the only one with that problem, so maybe open your ears and acknowledge the possibility that it might point to something problematic at least. The point of an argument is to convince the other through a process that they are wrong with the expectation that the other will disagree. What you do is give your comment and if I respond with disagreement, you get defensive and and give personal insults. I know nothing about post left anarchism and its hard to find information on it even on google and what they think of gun control. What I know is I follow many anarchist from all sides like anarcho capitalists and anarcho socialists, and even communist. None of them are anti guns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: I know nothing about post left anarchism and its hard to find information on it even on google and what they think of gun control. What I know is I follow many anarchist from all sides like anarcho capitalists and anarcho socialists, and even communist. None of them are anti guns. Now we're getting there Why couldn't you just say this in the first place? Gun control simply isn't a top priority issue in a lot of progressive anarchist communities, so I'll give you that. My only point was to establish that not all anarchists agree with you, the end, it's not that complicated. You don't have to agree with me or do what I say, obviously, I just wanted to request that in the future you simply refer to your own anarchist views instead of trying to speak for "anarchism", something a lot of anarchists themselves would take issue with btw There is no single anarchist philosophy on anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Didymus said: Now we're getting there Why couldn't you just say this in the first place? Gun control simply isn't a top priority issue in a lot of progressive anarchist communities, so I'll give you that. My only point was to establish that not all anarchists agree with you, the end, it's not that complicated. You don't have to agree with me or do what I say, obviously, I just wanted to request that in the future you simply refer to your own anarchist views instead of trying to speak for "anarchism", something a lot of anarchists themselves would take issue with btw There is no single anarchist philosophy on anything. Yes I was never aware of these anarchist despite my knowledge of different kind of anarchists, which is why I questioned your comment. I also do not expect anarchists to be on GGD or know anything about it, so I thought you were just saying this out of ignorance as I never came across an anarchist that is anti guns. When we have a conversation, the process of that conversation will lead us to understand each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Faysalaaa said: I also do not expect anarchists to be on GGD or know anything about it, so I thought you were just saying this out of ignorance I do totally get that I never met one either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartySick 172,496 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Well I am a Anarchist lol I am for strict gun control but dont ban them. I said in one of my comments that I would support making it harder to get but then people said they want to ban it for personal use! And also while im for strict gun control, I still think it wont change anything, it will only help prevent suicide and mistake deaths. Oh well that explains it then Whimsical bitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke78619 23,559 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 19 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: in Australia, murder did not go down, but murder by using guns did went down. People will use other things to murder if gun is not available. If I wanted to kill someone, I would not say oh well I cant do it because guns are illegal. Okay but I imagine it’s much harder to commit mass murder with a knife than it is with an AK47 insta: good_lukeing | I have nothing else to promote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl 3,575 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Faysalaaa said: Related to guns is different from crimes by guns. Related to guns also include suicide and homicide for example. It also includes guns shot by cops which should not be included. They admit this in the statistic that everyone uses. A person who wants to kill 25 people in 20 seconds will find a way to do it. You can take me to the most gun strict area and I can find you a gun easily. Gonna need you to read the damn article before you make comments about what I said. It doesn't include suicides or any of that stuff it's homicides which means murder. Jesus Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Karl said: Gonna need you to read the damn article before you make comments about what I said. It doesn't include suicides or any of that stuff it's homicides which means murder. Jesus Christ. Homicide is not murder, homicide could be self defense. Homicide could mean alot of things. This has been debunked many times and nobody denies it. I did say in my comment that it includes homicide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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