Gaga's Exclusive Haus Beauty Interview

[monketsharona 81,827]

11 minutes ago, NewUsername said:

You're right, when I'd like to sell something, I'd also choose for a platform that gives me less exposure than one that helps me sell more ... 

Biggest are not always the greatest tbh (no double-entendre here )

[elijahfan 26,306]

4 minutes ago, Didymus said:

More like: at the root of it there's the ambition to make money but some good intentions are added as an extra (and easily marketable) layer later on

 

4 minutes ago, monketsharona said:

Of course, I know it's not sales-oriented to say 'hey I'm craving of money, buy my things'. But why making this brand a philantropist thing while it's not ?

If we're thinking this way, absolutely everything people do is to make money  Like I said, nobody on Earth is a full-on philanthropist. If artists didn't want to earn money, they wouldn't go out of their way to get signed to a label and would stay in their garage, for instance.

What's important to focus on is the intention, and Gaga has always put heart into all of her endeavors - of course, maybe her main interest was to get her name into the beauty game, but it doesn't mean her angle of inclusivity and self-empowerment isn't genuine, it's consistent with everything she's ever done, she even created a foundation for it. But hey, if you wanna see everything through an unapologetically capitalist prism, I guess that's your issue 

[MonsterMom 12,647]

3 minutes ago, Didymus said:

So then you're admitting the main motivation here is to make money and not to do some kind of social charity slash public art thing? 'cause, absurdly, the majority of the fanbase is currently believing the latter option

There is no reason to start a business unless to make money. So yes, I think she wants it to make money not only for herself but for her team...but I think she understands she has power and a voice and not only can she make money, but she can make a real change. I do think she 100% is bought into her message of self acceptance and wants people to love themselves. There is nothing wrong with being passionate and making a profit. I have been in sales my whole life and I have NEVER been able to sell something unless I believed what I was selling was actually helping people. So you can enjoy both

[G U C C I 5,469]

3 minutes ago, MonsterMom said:

Because an emotional element will make people buy. That is sales 101. She might have a great product, but there are a lot of great products out there. Her appealing to people’s emotions is a very smart way to set herself apart

Also I swear that recently the more emotional the woman becomes the more the GP are loving her! Hell my mother who isn't even a fan suggested we buy tickets to her Jazz show after the whole ASIB era where she literally cried 75% of the time or looked like she was going to in every interview or acceptance speech. I know of several people who were never fans before that are now buying tickets for Vegas (we live in ****ing Georgia!) just because they are so over the moon for her since seeing her so much. Her being emotional makes me nervous but if she sells makeup like she has tickets to Enigma she's gonna be swimming in cash.

[MonsterMom 12,647]

Just now, LVbuttondown said:

Also I swear that recently the more emotional the woman becomes the more the GP are loving her! Hell my mother who isn't even a fan suggested we buy tickets to her Jazz show after the whole ASIB era where she literally cried 75% of the time or looked like she was going to in every interview or acceptance speech. I know of several people who were never fans before that are now buying tickets for Vegas (we live in ****ing Georgia!) just because they are so over the moon for her since seeing her so much. Her being emotional makes me nervous but if she sells makeup like she has tickets to Enigma she's gonna be swimming in cash.

People are drawn to honesty and vulnerability and I think since she is so passionate and wears her heart on her sleeve people just eat that up! Sometimes she does go overboard, but I personally love that about her ❤️

[Didymus 34,380]

1 minute ago, elijahfan said:

If we're thinking this way, absolutely everything people do is to make money  Like I said, nobody on Earth is a full-on philanthropist. If artists didn't want to earn money, they wouldn't go out of their way to get signed to a label and would stay in their garage, for instance.

But Gaga went on record to say that if her artistic integrity was ever challenged, she would actually go back to singing in bars

This was, of course, just a few weeks before she then slammed Interscope for changing all of her album vocals. Clearly the good sis Gaga is a pro at propping up her authenticity in self-presentation but really is not that bothered about applying all of those big "Gaga values" of her

I'm just fed up with her presenting herself as someone she's not. Correction: I'm fed up with the fans who still buy that tired old charade act I'm here for the fans to just drop the whole "Gaga's an angel" bs and focus on the releases, products, etc. with an open mind and without excuses.

4 minutes ago, elijahfan said:

but it doesn't mean her angle of inclusivity and self-empowerment isn't genuine,

I do agree with this. But there's also nothing wrong with calling her out when that intention is not reflected in the product. I mean, great for Gaga that she wants to empower people but this is still a ****ing make-up line, why should we pretend that's better than what she's supposed to be most passionate about: music and art?

That's what's annoying me. Sure, her angle here is genuine. But that doesn't make her decision to start a make-up line any less disappointing and generic.

[MonsterMom 12,647]

6 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But Gaga went on record to say that if her artistic integrity was ever challenged, she would actually go back to singing in bars

This was, of course, just a few weeks before she then slammed Interscope for changing all of her album vocals. Clearly the good sis Gaga is a pro at propping up her authenticity in self-presentation but really is not that bothered about applying all of those big "Gaga values" of her

I'm just fed up with her presenting herself as someone she's not. Correction: I'm fed up with the fans who still buy that tired old charade act I'm here for the fans to just drop the whole "Gaga's an angel" bs and focus on the releases, products, etc. with an open mind and without excuses.

I do agree with this. But there's also nothing wrong with calling her out when that intention is not reflected in the product. I mean, great for Gaga that she wants to empower people but this is still a ****ing make-up line, why should we pretend that's better than what she's supposed to be most passionate about: music and art?

That's what's annoying me. Sure, her angle here is genuine. But that doesn't make her decision to start a make-up line any less disappointing and generic.

The thing is she has worked her butt off to have opportunities present themselves. Now that they are can we fault her for taking them? If I had the chance to have my own makeup line you better believe I would. Especially if you love makeup! If she has the chance to do a fashion line...you better believe she will. Star in more movies...of course. She is in such a rare position to be able to do whatever she wants and she has EARNED that right. Let her take it.

[Didymus 34,380]

Just now, MonsterMom said:

The thing is she has worked her butt off to have opportunities present themselves. Now that they are can we fault her for taking them? If I had the chance to have my own makeup line you better believe I would. Especially if you love makeup! If she has the chance to do a fashion line...you better believe she will. Star in more movies...of course. She is in such a rare position to be able to do whatever she wants and she has EARNED that right. Let her take it. 

I'm very happy for her, obviously. I'm just genuinely shocked that all of that happiness, creative freedom and artistic independence is only translating in side projects and not in a superior artistic output

Is it really just me? Am I really the only fan who thought that when she was finally happy and in tune with her true self, we would get more and better music and art? Am I the only fan who was surprised that at the exact time she presented herself as grounded and healed, she's playing fictional characters someone else invented, setting up a make-up line and performing a show in Vegas that is only really a retracing of her previous shows?

I just don't understand why her supposed "being in a position to be able to do whatever she wants" isn't translating into a passion for music and artistry. Why did she look more passionate about being an artist when she was miserable and broke? Am I so wrong and spiteful to question why, in a period where she has all the opportunities granted to her, she chooses a make-up line over a new musical body of work?

Y'all just have lowered your standards tbh I will never apologize for expecting boundary-pushing art from Lady Gaga, especially in a period where she's supposed to be free creatively and mentally. That is who she's supposed to be. An artist. Not a singer who acts from time to time and acts just as excited about a make-up line than her last studio album.

Anyway, just my thoughts. This line has been long announced so it didn't ruin my mood or whatever, I'm actually kind of fascinated by how well and strategic she's playing this thing out But my inner fan boy is heartbroken and I don't think that's weird or wrong. The last couple of years the businesswoman has been in the spotlight and the artist has been disappearing, only appearing absolutely brilliantly (thank god) once in a while. I don't get how there's so little fans upset by that tbh.

[MonsterMom 12,647]

2 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I'm very happy for her, obviously. I'm just genuinely shocked that all of that happiness, creative freedom and artistic independence is only translating in side projects and not in a superior artistic output

Is it really just me? Am I really the only fan who thought that when she was finally happy and in tune with her true self, we would get more and better music and art? Am I the only fan who was surprised that at the exact time she presented herself as grounded and healed, she's playing fictional characters someone else invented, setting up a make-up line and performing a show in Vegas that is only really a retracing of her previous shows?

I just don't understand why her supposed "being in a position to be able to do whatever she wants" isn't translating into a passion for music and artistry. Why did she look more passionate about being an artist when she was miserable and broke? Am I so wrong and spiteful to question why, in a period where she has all the opportunities granted to her, she chooses a make-up line over a new musical body of work?

Y'all just have lowered your standards tbh I will never apologize for expecting boundary-pushing art from Lady Gaga, especially in a period where she's supposed to be free creatively and mentally. That is who she's supposed to be. An artist. Not a singer who acts from time to time and acts just as excited about a make-up line than her last studio album.

Anyway, just my thoughts. This line has been long announced so it didn't ruin my mood or whatever, I'm actually kind of fascinated by how well and strategic she's playing this thing out But my inner fan boy is heartbroken and I don't think that's weird or wrong. The last couple of years the businesswoman has been in the spotlight and the artist has been disappearing, only appearing absolutely brilliantly (thank god) once in a while. I don't get how there's so little fans upset by that tbh.

But it IS all art to her! Anything where she can be creative is art. Just because you don’t like where she is putting her creativity does not mean she is not enjoying creating it. Do you not remember baby Gaga going on and on about Miley’s lipgloss...and now she has her own . 

[Didymus 34,380]

1 minute ago, MonsterMom said:

But it IS all art to her! Anything where she can be creative is art. Just because you don’t like where she is putting her creativity does not mean she is not enjoying creating it. Do you not remember baby Gaga going on and on about Miley’s lipgloss...and now she has her own . 

Eh, maybe... I hope she proves me wrong and you right

[MonsterMom 12,647]

2 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Eh, maybe... I hope she proves me wrong and you right

Let’s just hope she never tries to go to space again . That is one creative endeavor I was NOT down with

[elijahfan 26,306]

47 minutes ago, Didymus said:

But Gaga went on record to say that if her artistic integrity was ever challenged, she would actually go back to singing in bars

This was, of course, just a few weeks before she then slammed Interscope for changing all of her album vocals. Clearly the good sis Gaga is a pro at propping up her authenticity in self-presentation but really is not that bothered about applying all of those big "Gaga values" of her

I'm just fed up with her presenting herself as someone she's not. Correction: I'm fed up with the fans who still buy that tired old charade act I'm here for the fans to just drop the whole "Gaga's an angel" bs and focus on the releases, products, etc. with an open mind and without excuses.

I do agree with this. But there's also nothing wrong with calling her out when that intention is not reflected in the product. I mean, great for Gaga that she wants to empower people but this is still a ****ing make-up line, why should we pretend that's better than what she's supposed to be most passionate about: music and art?

That's what's annoying me. Sure, her angle here is genuine. But that doesn't make her decision to start a make-up line any less disappointing and generic.

The thing has literally been announced 24 hrs ago, just wait until we have the whole picture before going full character assassination mode  We have literally seen nothing of the products.

Also... this is just makeup, and whatever they announce in the future, this will just be makeup. Just, don't be too hard on her if she doesn't announce a lipgloss that cures homophobia

[KNJ 4,170]

Major OT   @Didymus  I've been reading ur responses across GGD lately and have been thinking a lot about what to say to you. It's been a process.

I'm deciding to just say it, sincerely, and trying not to be flippant.

It's just...I mean...who hurt you? 

I don't know how old you are, but you've been on GGD for 7 yrs -- you're a fan, you admire something about Gaga. Right? So...what is it?

On a scale of Koch Brothers to Lady Gaga, your hardened cynicism,apparently about anything she does that happens to involve capitalism (read, the world at large), is just so.... over-critical and harsh.

To the point where 1) you are definitely holding a fellow imperfect  human to an incredibly high standard, considering, and 2) show a lack of tolerance, or acceptance, of the fact the ppl can be more than one thing at the same time

The thought of writing a full out receipted response right now is just... no. So I'll just leave with this, cus I'm very curious:

If Gaga is the disingenuous  ill-intended disappointment and we are the blind gullible sheep you've been insinuating, then... 

Who is  "good" in your eyes?

Considering her position in the greater scope of the world and with her choices...

What does "doing it right" look like to you? 

_-----

This post may come off a certain way but pls read with the most neutral voice in mind cus I am really curious about your conclusions. JSYK I'm also v tired and may not reply  in depth immediately . Thanks

[Didymus 34,380]

26 minutes ago, KNJ said:

I don't know how old you are, but you've been on GGD for 7 yrs -- you're a fan, you admire something about Gaga. Yes? So...what is it?

Her talent and creativity

26 minutes ago, KNJ said:

On a scale of Koch Brothers to Lady Gaga, your hardened cynicism, about anything she does that happens to involve capitalism (read, the world at large), is just so over-critical and harsh.

To the point where 1) you are definitely holding a fellow imperfect  human to an incredibly high standard, considering, and 2) show a lack of tolerance, or acceptance, of the fact the ppl can be more than one thing at the same time

Ugh, here we go again... I'm not cynical about everything she does. I've been super pleased with some of the recent stuff she did. I thought ASIB was exceptional (both her acting and the soundtrack), and I consider some of those songs the best of her discography, I worship her covers of Chic's I Want Your Love (and esp. the Tom Ford ad) and Elton John's Your Song and consider the last one (as well as the live version) one of the best vocal performances of her career, I really enjoyed the Superbowl and thought some sections were a visceral return to her early artistic glory, loved the Superbowl national anthem,...

There's still plenty of reasons I'm around

About the high standard: that's not my standard, that's supposedly hers. She repeats it almost every time at Enigma: about how she holds her artistry to the "highest possible" standard and isn't just some Hollywood celeb, blah blah. That's all very nice to hear but I can't help but observe that since 2014 she's shown less and less artistic involvement or passion for creating art in general. I always wondered why since this is supposedly the happiest she's ever been. Weirdly that's not translating into... art. Joanne was lackluster and was not at all an artistic improvement on her earlier work. So again, I don't understand why in a time where she can do whatever she wants, she chooses side projects and lesser artistry, even a goddamn make-up line over being an artist.

If me wanting her to be an artist instead of a singer is already too high a standard for Gaga rn, I can only conclude that all of your standards have been dropped dramatically. But not mine. I'm not losing any sleep over it though. These are just my opinions.

[Didymus 34,380]

@KNJ

Put more simple: if this were any other time, a time where she had just released a mindblowing music album, served us incredible artistic statements and performances, this make-up line would have bothered me a lot less. It's part of the pop game. No problem.

But this is a time where she's almost doing nothing but side projects. And that at a time where she's supposed to be most happy and free creatively. There's something there that's not right. Sure, she can be different things and change personalities, what not, that's totally her right and I'm not "angry" at her. But I am critical. Because she's actively trying to convince fans they should be excited about a ****ing make-up line, more so than new art and music, and that ain't right. I'm not getting brainwashed into celebrating let alone buying something she herself once mocked as superficial and tasteless.