PerfectExca 636 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wigless said: Well thankfully you’re not bc I’d really not be here for unraveling my entire life in front of a person like you. Yes I’m using some psychology against you, and what about it? You think everyday people can’t say a word to you about the basics? Say sike bc Jesus Christ that’s gross. It’s the basic **** most people get that I’m using and yet you’re still getting cancelled over it girl y i k e s. + sis? What’s the point of you bringing up being belligerent and rude when that’s also you? Yum, hypocrisy. And then you try and justify it? “You’re not worth a cordial response” ma please I don’t have much respect for you so don’t tell me that, thinking I do. Definitely not earning it like this. I’m just so caught of guard lmaooo. Things were cooling down, read the room. So basically your thesis is, “hoes mad,” but you’re also offended if you think I’m being being rude... all these paragraphs and nothing ground breaking... oof. I feel like psychoanalyzing the other person who tries to argue against fact is a much more worthwhile flex of your efforts but you do you I guess. OT: Care to explain? Why would you not make an example of the result? Pretty sure those two concepts are close to each other. I was being hypocritical and acknowledged that, another thing you chose to either misread or could not read it yikes. Regardless, please do not confuse justification with explanation, it is quite clear psychology and semantics are not your thing but do not try to tear my logic down because you simply are unable to understand it. Also, I'm saddended to see that high horse you're on hasn't gotten tired yet, but every one has their own way of coping so I won't crucify you yet again for your flawed invalidation of my logic through your distorted lenses of right and wrong. It's honestly very difficult to respond to these, frankly, silly responses of yours because they're masked in purposeful lingo ("cancelled", I have to laugh) to make it seem like you're saying something of essence when in reality your only argument here is that " You read me and you shouldn't because that's wrong and you were right and I don't like that". And "you're just as bad as I am, stop." Though that is not wrong, I will reiterate I stooped to your level and I am no better than you currently but I am not looking for your respect or acceptance because you are not a respectable individual yourself. I hope you can AT LEAST understand that simplified version. OT: Whites were not being systematically oppresssed here but rather "minorities" wanted an area free from whites, which can be seen as both one of many effects of historical systemic oppression and racial prejudice. They feel safe abd secure without whites there. The sun will rise each day. Will you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PerfectExca 636 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Wigless said: I’m just sad like... I really want there to be a push for more kids to grow up to be councilors so society can be happier bc literally everyone needs help... and you’re out here using this knowledge to bring people characters down... and for what? Bc I said something to someone else that offends you? Just say “**** you” in laymen’s terms sir this is pathetic. Get your self esteem in check if you randomly go out of your way trying to show strangers how smart you are for literally $0. Unlike you I am very secure in my intellect for 1, my demonstration was merely a byproduct of a checking you badly needed.And it is evident this upset you because you chose to quote it twice, even if for conflicting reasons,(clearly) and I am genuinely sorry you feel that way, but the one thing that you're failing to understand or recognize is that you're the rudest one in this thread, read through it ma'am, and I'm sure you made many of those you spoke to feel terrible, even those that did not match your hostility. I am allowed to react and use my knowledge however I want, and I am going to help dozens, maybe hundreds, feel much better about themselves regardless of your opinion of me. Your interpretation of my character is fair nonetheless since you have nothing else to base it on other than how I've spoken to you. You cannot assasinate my character while dehumanizing me at same time, I may be wrong, I can admit that and apologize for it, but you are if anything as much wrong. The sun will rise each day. Will you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,564 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 minute ago, EmperorExca said: I was being hypocritical and acknowledged that, another thing you chose to either misread or could not read it yikes. Regardless, please do not confuse justification with explanation, it is quite clear psychology and semantics are not your thing but do not try to tear my logic down because you simply are unable to understand it. Also, I'm saddended to see that high horse you're on hasn't gotten tired yet, but every one has their own way of coping so I won't crucify you yet again for your flawed invalidation of my logic through your distorted lenses of right and wrong. It's honestly very difficult to respond to these, frankly, silly responses of yours because they're masked in purposeful lingo ("cancelled", I have to laugh) to make it seem like you're saying something of essence when in reality your only argument here is that " You read me and you shouldn't because that's wrong and you were right and I don't like that". And "you're just as bad as I am, stop." Though that is not wrong, I will reiterate I stooped to your level and I am no better than you currently but I am not looking for your respect or acceptance because you are not a respectable individual yourself. I hope you can AT LEAST understand that simplified version. OT: Whites were not being systematically oppresssed here but rather "minorities" wanted an area free from whites, which can be seen as both one of many effects of historical systemic oppression and racial prejudice. They feel safe abd secure without whites there. Given the context of this thread, your behavior is so pathetic. Literally what is the point of this? Trying to look like the good guy? You’re clearly not, insanely hypocritical, and you acknowledge that. Trying to look smart? To who? Who asked? Who cares? Who’s gonna remember tomorrow? Trying to say I’m not good at semantics... if that were true I’d lose the argument you’re barely even participating I’m right now. Funny how it’s “I’m not being nice right now” but when I do it “I’m not a respectful person period. You did this for no reason. But evil men misuse power all the time so lemme not act shocked. Stay on topic please. OT: I get having a safe space is important but it’s still systemic (based on rules) oppression (which can involve exclusion). Systemic oppression can certainly exist without huge historical context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarstruckIllusion 53,564 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, EmperorExca said: Unlike you I am very secure in my intellect for 1, my demonstration was merely a byproduct of a checking you badly needed.And it is evident this upset you because you chose to quote it twice, even if for conflicting reasons,(clearly) and I am genuinely sorry you feel that way, but the one thing that you're failing to understand or recognize is that you're the rudest one in this thread, read through it ma'am, and I'm sure you made many of those you spoke to feel terrible, even those that did not match your hostility. I am allowed to react and use my knowledge however I want, and I am going to help dozens, maybe hundreds, feel much better about themselves regardless of your opinion of me. Your interpretation of my character is fair nonetheless since you have nothing else to base it on other than how I've spoken to you. You cannot assasinate my character while dehumanizing me at same time, I may be wrong, I can admit that and apologize for it, but you are if anything as much wrong. I was being hard headed bc people weren’t referring to the best opinions studies have all aligned with. It’s not always the most pleasant thing and I don’t like that but I am black so the facts on this matter a lot to me. And I kindly disagree to me being the rudest person in this thread as I feel attacking someone’s character over their intellect is a greater crime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 What annoys me is black people never make the argument that they cant be racist, its only white people who make these arguments on behalf of black people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 20,956 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 15 hours ago, PhillipBagshaw said: Good, glad you agree! In America, where socially and economically white people have the power, it IS impossible to be racist towards us! However, it is possible to have personal prejudices against us. The two are different, however closely related they may be. Yes prejudice and racism are very different Prejudice doesn't have to be noticable and isn't always negative or consciously, a lot of people have prejudices that they actively go against because they know it's not right. Racism is always consciously and negative, it comes forth of the idea that one race is superior to another. People can believe that black people are superior to white people or asian people.. So yes, you can be racist towards white people. It just doesn't have to be systemic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepsami 20,956 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Like i'm sorry but where are y'all getting the definition from that says racism is always systemic? A quick google search gives me: "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZwRaven 331 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 If it hasn't been written yet the festival has now changed there prices to be equal for all races. So at the very least someone realized it was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craven Moorecox 2,806 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 hours ago, Wigless said: “Not wanting nonpoc there based on hatred is different from not wanting them there because every poc is better white people” are both racist tho bc racism can be hateful and egotistical, but yeah I think I agree with everything else. Altho I’m pretty sure we were both arguing about definitions but yeah no I really had to high jack bc you can’t classify something without a classification. Well I believe resentment due to past historical events is not egotistical. It has nothing to do with a superiority complex since the motives and reasonings are different. Of course resentment is not helpful in the fight for equality. However, based on the history and environment of Detroit, I not surprised that the pocs there harbor resentment toward nonpoc. Yes I was arguing definition too, but my main argument from the beginning was about this situation. Things got so messy and points got taken out of contexts. I think I jumped into your argument way late into it and miss some of the points you were making. Which led to us dancing in circle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fede ARTPOP 6,751 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Is this cause of Ariel’s drama? MAYHEM / ARTPOP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolfsmck 2,763 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Economy said: Prejudice based on race is included in the definition of racism But I don't wanna do this again like last time. Ppl stayed focusing on the technical definition of the word racism rather than the point at hand so it ended up taking away from the whole thing It's pointless to argue racial topics...many people still have the 1840's plantation mentality... Tunnel vision is impenetrable... like a cat in a sil, I observe life, moving and still. My words give a clue,look inside to see whats true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Knight 108 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 11 hours ago, hankhatesyouall said: Glad that you are showing your true colors. Not even trying to hide your real intentions intentions? lets just be a little realistic here and acknowledge the discussion of reparations to black people, the cultural smudging, the fact that time and time again the culture and livelihood of black people and POC is taken and exploited by non-black people... Take a look throughout history! the origin of "rock and roll" and how it was stolen music from black people and made palatable? Elvis did not invent that ... From a strictly entertainment point of view, look at how often black people are virtually erased, yet used as the clear inspiration.The fact that often black spaces, customs and trends are inundated with non black people is ridiculous, given the fact that these same "trends" are used to discriminate against black people. I think that this discussion is more nuanced and there are more angles to it than simply " they are racist to white people". In my opinion, it is sending a message that this is an event that is centered on POC, and often when there are non POC people involved in POC spaces there are causes for conflict. I mean, look up afropunk, and how the inundation of Non POC has changed the landscape of what the event itself means. I've even witnessed this myself REPEATEDLY at World Pride in NYC of all places. When there are spaces being made for POC, who rarely have their own spaces to begin with, and non poc people want to be included, there is a need to be aware of why THEY (non poc) want to take up space at a poc event. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morphine Prince 109,655 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I think POC deserve to attend spaces that make them feel safe and comfortable. I don’t think white people are inherently in conflict with this goal. For that reason, I think it’s a delineation of views of racial superiority for someone to charge whites more than POC for the same event. Don’t get me wrong: If a white somehow causes a disturbance at the event or pollutes the safe/comfortable environment, I’m all for kicking them out. But charging them more is just petty, rude, and at least in my opinion, a portrayal of views of racial superiority (definition of racism). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMEN Monster 33 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 7/7/2019 at 7:52 PM, mvstraw said: the fact that someone is white makes them automatically rich or what? btw, isn't it illegal? Apparently no, cause yOu cAn'T bE rAcIsT tOwArDs wHiTe pEoPle. uh... equality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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