Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 7 hours ago, Thomas P said: This is one of the most absurdly stupid things I’ve read today. I don't believe it is. I think he made a valid point. If a character is of a certain race it doesn't make sense to pander to political correctness and change everything about that character. The character was written that way for a reason. Imagine if a movie about the Vikings got made and the whole cast was black. People would have a right to complain. This is sort of the same thing here. (I'm not racist before anybody comes for me, I just understand this person's point of view). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 7 hours ago, AlvariusFlame said: IDK but she looks more like Ariel. Also... dude, she's going to sing. #NotMyAriel. My Ariel can enunciate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haroon 49,685 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 But what relevance does Ariel's skin colour have in The Little Mermaid? Nothing So why is it being made a thing about? Her skin colour is irrelevant, no change has been made to anything out of it "Cartoon Ariel was white so she should be white!" - this is an adaptation, it doesn't need to be a spitting image of the original. Things are added or cut out or changed and so on No harm has been done by a non-white person being cast to play Ariel, if anything it's positive because it gives a newer generation more diversity to look at in awe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Didymus said: Absurd. The whole point of the movie was that Eric falls for Ariel not because of her looks but because of her voice, aka her soul. Ariel was never defined by her looks, always by her voice. It genuinely shocks me that people don't understand that. Like, look at this video: Sorry, but this is Ariel. More than sounding like Ariel, she even physically looks and acts like her I think the casting is perfect. Thanks for sharing this. You're absolutely right, she fits the role perfectly. I was on the fence about her casting not because of race, but because I'm not a fan of change. I like familiarity and I wanted it to be exactly like the cartoon. It's like Will Smith playing the genie in Aladdin, I'm fine with a talented actor of any race to play a part like that and I actually like Will Smith, but I did not enjoy seeing how they changed the character. It's the same with the Sonic trailer and how he looks nothing like the original character. I don't think it's selfish for people to speak out on the changes, because some people look forward to the nostalgia and when they find out it's not being made for them or even aimed at them as a demographic it can make you feel like this: It might be selfish to feel that way about a movie and it's characters. But having said that, I am happy that a black girl has been given the role. As a white person I was aware that other ethnicities weren't represented enough and I'm always rooting for them to be given decent parts. But I'm not going to lie and say the changes to the little mermaid haven't disappointed me a little bit. However, I am looking forward to seeing how she owns the role because she seems to be insanely talented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, Glamourpuss said: I was on the fence about her casting not because of race, but because I'm not a fan of change. I like familiarity and I wanted it to be exactly like the cartoon. I do understand that. But what I am disappointed by is how people don't seem to realize (not intentionally, obviously) that skin color doesn't change anything substantial White people are overrepresented to the point where people are now en masse commenting about how "their" Ariel is ruined just because she's not white. That is scary to me. And what is even more scary to me is how the people voicing their criticism don't even realize they're talking the language of far-right extremism. It might not be about race for you, but I'm afraid the whole perspective that Ariel being black is supposedly a change is already fundamentally racist, there's simply no other way around it. I'm not saying that makes you and other people bad persons, but it is important to point out racism where it is, 'cause usually people don't even realize what kind of discourse or political stance they're unconsciously supporting through their words Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamourpuss 29,062 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Didymus said: I do understand that. But what I am disappointed by is how people don't seem to realize (not intentionally, obviously) that skin color doesn't change anything substantial White people are overrepresented to the point where people are now en masse commenting about how their Ariel is ruined just because she's not white. That is scary to me. And what is even more scary to me is how the people voicing their criticism don't even realize they're talking the language of far-right extremism. It might not be about race for you, but I'm afraid the whole perspective of Ariel being black is a change is already fundamentally racist, there's simply no other way around it. I'm not saying that makes you and other people bad persons, but it is important to point out racism where it is, 'cause usually people don't even realize what kind of discourse or political stance they're unconsciously supporting through their words I see what you mean, I 100% agree with what you've said because it's disturbing to me as well to see people have this mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM 4,067 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I agree that the race of the character has no relevancy but y'all need to bring this mentality into other topics as well. The double standards are real and it's the opposite of race equality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, LM said: I agree that the race of the character has no relevancy but y'all need to bring this mentality into other topics as well. The double standards are real and it's the opposite of race equality Can you give some examples? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salome 685 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Social media is the toilet of the internet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM 4,067 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Didymus said: Can you give some examples? remember the controversy when black HM model wore the "coolest monkey in the jungle" hoodie? People here cancelled HM billion times only because the kid was black. if he was white, everything would be okay. Like wtf? What does your race have to do with your outfit? The kid and his parents were okay with the hoodie so I have no idea why the world including GGD had to start a drama. I am 100000% sure people here would cancel any company that would dare to cast a white actor for a role that was previously portrayed as black. Why? Because majority of people on GGD think that transgender roles should be played by transgender actors --> black roles by black actors. But when Disney casts black actress for a role that was always portrayed as white people are okay with that. I agree that POC actors have it harder to find a job, but the solution is not in double standards which only lead to more racistic behaviour of other people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 49 minutes ago, LM said: remember the controversy when black HM model wore the "coolest monkey in the jungle" hoodie? People here cancelled HM billion times only because the kid was black. if he was white, everything would be okay. Like wtf? What does your race have to do with your outfit? The kid and his parents were okay with the hoodie so I have no idea why the world including GGD had to start a drama. I am 100000% sure people here would cancel any company that would dare to cast a white actor for a role that was previously portrayed as black. Why? Because majority of people on GGD think that transgender roles should be played by transgender actors --> black roles by black actors. But when Disney casts black actress for a role that was always portrayed as white people are okay with that. I agree that POC actors have it harder to find a job, but the solution is not in double standards which only lead to more racistic behaviour of other people I get what you're saying but you seem to be conflating two things Just because there's a double standard among dumb people doesn't mean that casting a black woman as Ariel was a mistake. Those are two different issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM 4,067 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Just now, Didymus said: I get what you're saying but you seem to be conflating two things Just because there's a double standard among dumb people doesn't mean that casting a black woman as Ariel was a mistake. Those are two different issues. I never said casting a black woman as Ariel is a problem - "I agree that the race of the character has no relevancy" the point I tried to make is the fact that people here are okay with that (which is good) but on the other hand if somebody casted a white woman for a role of a black character, GGD would be on fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus 34,380 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 minute ago, LM said: I never said casting a black woman as Ariel is a problem - "I agree that the race of the character has no relevancy" the point I tried to make is the fact that people here are okay with that (which is good) but on the other hand if somebody casted a white woman for a role of a black character, GGD would be on fire. Right. In that case I do agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodizy26 6 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 57 minutes ago, LM said: remember the controversy when black HM model wore the "coolest monkey in the jungle" hoodie? People here cancelled HM billion times only because the kid was black. if he was white, everything would be okay. Like wtf? What does your race have to do with your outfit? The kid and his parents were okay with the hoodie so I have no idea why the world including GGD had to start a drama. I am 100000% sure people here would cancel any company that would dare to cast a white actor for a role that was previously portrayed as black. Why? Because majority of people on GGD think that transgender roles should be played by transgender actors --> black roles by black actors. But when Disney casts black actress for a role that was always portrayed as white people are okay with that. I agree that POC actors have it harder to find a job, but the solution is not in double standards which only lead to more racistic behaviour of other people Reverse racism doesn’t exist, so it’s not a double standard. There’s so many white princesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodizy26 6 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I’m just gonna link this. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/26-times-white-actors-played-people-of-color-and-no-one-really-gave-a-sht_n_56cf57e2e4b0bf0dab313ffc please acknowledge privilege. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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