Eco-Friendly wars By Elizabeth Warren

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11 hours ago, PartySick said:

What?

Obama wasn't perfect but then again he's not the poster child for every Dem either. He's been called out by the left for his treatment of whistleblowers, expanding Bush's drone program, and deporting so many illegals. We hold our people accountable.

Not sure what you mean with some of those though. DADT ended with him. Gays won nation wide marriage rights and protections against discrimination with him. He didn't fund Al Qaeda, that's...Regan? I think Regan's admin was the one that armed the rebels that became Al Qaeda but don't quote me on that. He didn't spy on Trump's campaign ffs. He didn't interfere with any elections. Torture, drone strikes, slavery in other countries, these things all existed before him. I can tell where you get your info from. The same people that blame him for ISIS' creation despite it forming in the 1990's and surging to power in 2005 after the US toppled Saddam's regime.

Meanwhile Trump and his GOP are currently trying to start a nuclear war with NK, a war war with Iran, turning every allied nation against us either through sh*tty diplomacy or his "America first" rhetoric and policies, criminalizing immigrants, locking up children, 6 of whom have died (and no, that wasn't started under Obama's admin), and on the home front he's tearing up environmental protection legislation, giving tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans while slashing aide programs for the poorest, stonewalling disaster relief funds because they don't have border wall money included, threatening to jail/investigate his political opponents, has told over 10,000 boldface lies over the last two years, and is currently working towards turning female, black, gay, trans, non-native, and non-Christian Americans into second class citizens.

Abortion rights? HA. Gay marriage? Nah. Citizenship for gay couples' kids? Pbbbt. Want to refuse service to anyone based on religious beliefs even if you're a doctor or EMT? Go ahead. You're trans but want to serve your country? No! You want your kids to stop dying in near-daily school shootings? LOL. Need help with that medical emergency? Should've been more careful. Your groceries cost more because of the trade war with China? Oh well.

I could go on but I'd be here all day.

Lastly, the classics. He was put in power by Russian meddling in our election to sew disinformation and directly hack ballot machines. That is a fact no matter what he tweets. He's openly bragged about sexually assaulting women and getting away with it because he's rich. He mocked a disabled reporter. He's called Mexicans criminals and played a fear mongering game with the "caravan of criminals" aka people who applied for asylum in the US which is 100% legal.

I'm sorry, but if you consider this "man" to be a valid choice in any capacity then we have nothing to talk about.

No Democrats dont hold their own accountable! I dont remember any anti war movement during Obama, they talked about it when they had to but turned a blind eye. They made excuses for Hilary crimes. When Trump does the same thing, they act literally insane and protest all year long which is great but I question if they are against violating human rights, or just anti Trump. They even started loving Bush to attack Trump! Democrats defend Muslims only if its a republican attacking Muslims. They will use us in hijab pictures to protest womens rights but when it comes to our actual rights, they will attack us and shut us up. 

I did not say he spied on Trump, I said he spied on American citizens. And yes he did fund Alqaeda they are openly allies in Yemen and Syria. And yes ISIS existed before Obama but they never had any power till they were funded by the US. He openly admits to interfering in democratic elections of afghanistan, haiti, and Egypt. Slavery did not exist in Libya until he and Hilary brought American Democracy to Libya. So what if drones and torture existed before him, he still continued doing them and expanded them. The only thing you are right about is DADT but he did say he is against Gay marriage, he only supported it 8 years later. Clearly, Democrats do violate human rights, you just try to look for excuses for them just like Trump supporters do for Trump. You claim I get my sources from conspiracy theories websites about ISIS but I get my sources from my own life living and effected by all this.

And I dont know why you are telling me how bad Trump is when I dont even support him or any republican.
 

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4 hours ago, Faysalaaa said:

Democrats do violate human rights but nobody talks about it because the truth is, nobody cares about human rights, people care about self interest. They will allow Obama to violate human rights aslong as he is a democrat. Democrats violate human rights in a manipulative way with a noble peace price unlike Republicans who tell you what they will do.

Obama violated many human rights including the espionage act, freedom of press, immigration, government surveillance, gay marriage, dont ask dont tell, war on drugs, Dakota Pipeline, environmental violation, slavery in libya, finding Saudi war on yemen, funding alqaeda, interference in foreign election, war torture, illegal drone strikes, bailing out wall street criminals..

Ill watch whatever I want and I dont mind watching Fox or Alex Jones..
 

 

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1 hour ago, PartySick said:

m He was put in power by Russian meddling in our election to sew disinformation and directly hack ballot machines. That is a fact no matter what he tweets.

How and why though? No one has ever answered this - ever. I'm not a fan of Trump AT ALL, but anyone that actually believes this is as gullible as those eating up everything Fox News/CNN says. Btw , I don't discern between the two because they are both TRASH. 

Most of what else you said was emotional hyperbole. A nuclear war with NK? Girl pls ffs. When will Americans actually understand that they have very, very poor choices to pick from, on both sides of the house. Until you start voting for 3rd party candidates en masse, nothing will really change. It's just more of the same.

And there absolutely should be term limits in congress. It's amazing to me the presidency is limited to 2 terms but congress isn't. How the hell should you be allowed to keep serving in there in your 80's!!!! Some of them have been there 40 ****ing years.. It's crazy.

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14 minutes ago, RoverLoader said:

How and why though? No one has ever answered this - ever. I'm not a fan of Trump AT ALL, but anyone that actually believes this is as gullible as those eating up everything Fox News/CNN says.

What...

Literally every investigation ever has come to the conclusion that Russia launched a disinformation campaign in an attempt to sow discourse in America with the purpose of helping trump get elected.

This isn't up for debate anymore. These are just facts. No one can say with 100% certainty that this interference  lead to the outcome of the election, but when 100,000 votes decided the election it's flat out stupid to say it couldn't have made a difference.

Honestly, unbelievable for someone to say this in 2019.

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1 minute ago, uo111 said:

What...

Literally every investigation ever has come to the conclusion that Russia launched a disinformation campaign in an attempt to sow discourse in America with the purpose of helping trump get elected.

This isn't up for debate anymore. These are just facts. No one can say with 100% certainty that this interference  lead to the outcome of the election, but when 100,000 votes decided the election it's flat out stupid to say it couldn't have made a difference.

Honestly, unbelievable for someone to say this in 2019.

So I will ask my original question - how and why? I mean you contradict yourself. You say you can't be certain it made a difference, then you say it's stupid to say it couldn't have made a difference. Which is it?

 

Let me ask you this. You were always going to vote democrat right? No amount of persuasion, or news was ever going to get you to vote republican or Trump anyways right? What do you think makes other people so much more easily swayed by "Russian interference" when you weren't? The bottom line is people overwhelming had made up their minds, LONG before any Russian conspiracy theories came about.

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what happened to all the lg6 threads

 

i'm starting to miss them

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5 minutes ago, RoverLoader said:

 I mean you contradict yourself.

No I did not. It seems you know I did not contradict myself, but are playing dumb for some reason.

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8 minutes ago, uo111 said:

No I did not. It seems you know I did not contradict myself, but are playing dumb for some reason.

You did. Let's have a refresh:

"No one can say with 100% certainty that this interference  lead to the outcome of the election"

then

"it's flat out stupid to say it couldn't have made a difference"

You still haven't  specified the nature, mechanism and effect of this "interference", other than in your mind, it happened. 

 

Even Van Jones defined it as  a "big nothing Burger". I'm inclined to agree.

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7 hours ago, RoverLoader said:

How and why though? No one has ever answered this - ever. I'm not a fan of Trump AT ALL, but anyone that actually believes this is as gullible as those eating up everything Fox News/CNN says. Btw , I don't discern between the two because they are both TRASH. 

Remember when Obama got elected and republicans freaked out? they said he was a black Muslim with no birth certificate! To them that was  the equivalent to Trump being elected to the corporate democrats. Democrats are now acting the same, they are no different from Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

Yes Russia did try to interfere like they do in every election but no evidence that Trump colluded with them. But we have evidence that Clinton did yet nobody talks about it or is outraged! Mueller also investigated Hilary campaign manager and found out he was lobbying the United States gov on behalf on a pro Russian political party in Ukrine. Clinton foundation got over 140 million dollars from Russia. Hilary sold Americn Uranium to Russia while personally enriching herself. We have official sources showing evidence Clinton Campaign Invented Trump/Russia Story To Cover Their Failures and colluded with Russia to smear Trump. And Obama is payed by the private insurance companies and the banks to make sure Americans dont have proper functioning financial system.

Tulsi Gabbard tried introducing an act to protect elections yet nobody supported because they want to continue this every time they lose!

 

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41 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said:

Hilary sold 20% of Americn Uranium To The Russians to financially benefit. 

The fact that you believe the Uranium One conspiracy is telling in itself.   

 

Spoiler

(I do love Tulsi, so +1 for that)

 

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2 hours ago, RoverLoader said:

You did. Let's have a refresh:

"No one can say with 100% certainty that this interference  lead to the outcome of the election"

then

"it's flat out stupid to say it couldn't have made a difference"

You still haven't  specified the nature, mechanism and effect of this "interference", other than in your mind, it happened. 

 

Even Van Jones defined it as  a "big nothing Burger". I'm inclined to agree.

Is English not your first language? Genuine question.

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Op is notorious for posting links to very irreputable "sources" (youtube politics are cancer), so I'm not surprised when I open their channel to see what kind of video titles there are  

Watched some though. It's really pandering.

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24 minutes ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

Op is notorious for posting links to very irreputable "sources" (youtube politics are cancer), so I'm not surprised when I open their channel to see what kind of video titles there are  

Watched some though. It's really pandering.

The video shows in its first seconds the source is Warren personal twitter.

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1 hour ago, gabeoz said:

The fact that you believe the Uranium One conspiracy is telling in itself.   

 

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(I do love Tulsi, so +1 for that)

 

There was a big investigation done by the FBI finding substantial evidence of Russian bribery scheme around Uranium production in the United States. And the interesting thing is the Obama administration kept it secret. They also found eyewitness account backed by documents indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the US designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation during the time Secretary of state Hilary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow: https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

Wikileaks released an internal document from the Hilary Clinton campaign which they did internal polling. The document shows this: "Secretary Clintons top vulnerability as tested in the poll is the attack that claims a secretary of state she signed off on a deal that gave Russian government control over 20% of American uranium production, after investors in the deal donated over 140 million dollars to the Clinton foundation. Half of all likely voters (53%) are less likely to support Clinton after hearing that statement, and 17% are much less likely to support after hearing that statement."  https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

FBI, New York Times, and The Hill all talked about this, so telling me im insane for having these opinions is hilarious. Can you imagine if these sources questioned Trump the same way? you guys would go literally insane.

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8 hours ago, uo111 said:

Is English not your first language? Genuine question.

Always interesting when the mask slips. You cannot answer the question so you resort to racism. How dare anyone make a fool of you. I mean it was quite easy. Yes we know how you do.