Morphine Prince 109,671 Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 US prison system focuses on punishment and not rehabilitation in many instances. The bigots are more than happy to strip voting rights from minorities since the prison system disproportionately affects minorities more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Faysalaaa said: Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll and being a Trump supporter is the norm in America as 50% of your country supports him. The funny thing is the people who shame Trump supporters are Hilary supporters its like the pot calling the kettle black. @geopang I agree with Bernie policy but I thought that was funny. His current approval rating is at 37%, it sunk 3 points after the Mueller report was released. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll/trump-approval-drops-3-points-to-2019-low-after-release-of-mueller-report-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1RV16S?il=0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 43 minutes ago, Timmers said: The best the establishment has come up with so far is "Bernie supporters will vote for Trump over (insert other candidates)." I have seen some downright vicious attacks on Bernie supporters from my Facebook friends because of these headlines. The accurate headline is "Some Trump supporters will go blue for Bernie, but only for Bernie." That headline makes Bernie look good instead of bad. So instead, they put all Bernie supporters into a box, label us political flip-floppers and Trump enthusiasts, and then Dems who can't see through the bullshit (so most Dems) demonize us for not supporting the party even though we do. Considering more Bernie supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters voted for Obama that is a stupid assertion. Even if it’s true who cares? If they are that stressed about it than they should make sure that Bernie gets the nomination. Bernie’s policies poll well with Democrats and Republicans but establishment media would never tell you that. Doing so would be admitting that their fear mongering is just that, fear mongering garbage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginald 13,841 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 What a champion for the people. I strongly support this stance, and have for several years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: His current approval rating is at 37%, it sunk 3 points after the Mueller report was released. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-poll/trump-approval-drops-3-points-to-2019-low-after-release-of-mueller-report-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1RV16S?il=0 Approval and supporting are two different things. Everyone hated Trump and Hilary even their own supporters hated them. That is why people called the person they are voting for the better of two evils. So honestly both of them have low approval rating but the majority of people still supported and voted for them. Why? because you do not live in a Democracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinTrudeau 2,419 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 But why is letting felons vote a bad thing? They committed crimes, but that doesn't mean they still don't have a brain or a voice. Most, if not all, spend their time watching TV and reading. They may have children and relatives outside of prison. They may be released soon. But most importantly, they're still human. Mind you, felon criminals were not all rapists or murderers. Tax fraud and drug possessive are other forms of crimes. Canada has been doing so since 2015. I fell down the stairs once as an actor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,856 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said: US prison system focuses on punishment and not rehabilitation in many instances. The bigots are more than happy to strip voting rights from minorities since the prison system disproportionately affects minorities more. This is what upsets me that after mileniums were still using the simple idea of jail as punishment We've evolved so much as a society and civilization why haven't our punishment methods changed much in principal? Punishment is useless if it's just a payback mentality and doesn't rehabilitate people Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,282 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Oh no, enfranchisement! Scary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Approval and supporting are two different things. Everyone hated Trump and Hilary even their own supporters hated them. That is why people called the person they are voting for the better of two evils. So honestly both of them have low approval rating but the majority of people still supported and voted for them. Why? because you do not live in a Democracy. “The entire US population was about 318 million in 2016. Subtracting out those under the age of 18, the US voting age population in 2016 was approximately 244,807,000, according to the US Census figures. Exactly 136,669,237 people voted in the presidential election, according to the official results. That means approximately 55.8% of the population voted. Of those, 62,984,825 voted for Trump and 65,853,516 voted for Hillary Clinton. As percentages, 25.7% of the US voting age population voted for Trump and 26.9% of the US population voted for Clinton. Another 7,830,896 (3.2% of the US population) voted for third parties. That means 108,137,763, or about 44.2% of the population, didn't vote.” https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/actual-trump-support/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F This means that only about a quarter of the country voted for Trump. No matter how you look at it, Trump supporters are nowhere near the majority in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antoni 5,332 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 45 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: Considering more Bernie supporters voted for Clinton than Clinton supporters voted for Obama that is a stupid assertion. Even if it’s true who cares? If they are that stressed about it than they should make sure that Bernie gets the nomination. Bernie’s policies poll well with Democrats and Republicans but establishment media would never tell you that. Doing so would be admitting that their fear mongering is just that, fear mongering garbage. This 100%. They also won't tell you that because the establishment doesn't want Bernie's progressiveness. They'll tease us with one element, healthcare or education, or they'll avoid it altogether and have Harris talk about guns. As posted here a few days ago, an anti-Bernie campaign organized by Democrat institutions is already underway. My name isn't Timmers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauvais 0 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, Economy said: This is what upsets me that after mileniums were still using the simple idea of jail as punishment We've evolved so much as a society and civilization why haven't our punishment methods changed much in principal? Punishment is useless if it's just a payback mentality and doesn't rehabilitate people Your comment reminds me of the NYT profile of Ruth Wilson Gilmore, a geographer and prison abolitionist. Ruth talks about the history of prison as punishment (it's not as old a tradition as you'd think!), and also about what prison abolition actually means. Honestly, it blew my mind. A lot of us are prison abolitionists without even knowing it. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/magazine/prison-abolition-ruth-wilson-gilmore.html OT: Obviously, felons should have the vote. Murderers should be able to elect our murderer in chief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 32 minutes ago, Marilyn MonHoe said: “The entire US population was about 318 million in 2016. Subtracting out those under the age of 18, the US voting age population in 2016 was approximately 244,807,000, according to the US Census figures. Exactly 136,669,237 people voted in the presidential election, according to the official results. That means approximately 55.8% of the population voted. Of those, 62,984,825 voted for Trump and 65,853,516 voted for Hillary Clinton. As percentages, 25.7% of the US voting age population voted for Trump and 26.9% of the US population voted for Clinton. Another 7,830,896 (3.2% of the US population) voted for third parties. That means 108,137,763, or about 44.2% of the population, didn't vote.” https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/26/politics/actual-trump-support/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F This means that only about a quarter of the country voted for Trump. No matter how you look at it, Trump supporters are nowhere near the majority in the US. Half the country either supports Hilary or Trump regardless of weather they voted or not. Only a extreme minority supported 3rd parties. If it was mandatory for people to vote like in Australia, you will get almost the same results. And when I say 50%, I dont mean exactly but yes half the country supports him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Half the country either supports Hilary or Trump regardless of weather they voted or not. Only a extreme minority supported 3rd parties. If it was mandatory for people to vote like in Australia, you will get almost the same results. And when I say 50%, I dont mean exactly but yes half the country supports him. All the data that I’ve already shown you proves otherwise. I’ve linked some sources on my behalf, show me some sources that support what you say. Otherwise your claims are just pointless conjecture with no basis in facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgusPop 4,162 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Sander is working for Trump and Putin , Is not this obvious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 52,856 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 54 minutes ago, mauvais said: Your comment reminds me of the NYT profile of Ruth Wilson Gilmore, a geographer and prison abolitionist. Ruth talks about the history of prison as punishment (it's not as old a tradition as you'd think!), and also about what prison abolition actually means. Honestly, it blew my mind. A lot of us are prison abolitionists without even knowing it. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/magazine/prison-abolition-ruth-wilson-gilmore.html OT: Obviously, felons should have the vote. Murderers should be able to elect our murderer in chief. I mean I know the 2000 year old book the Bible already spoke about prison. I call that pretty old. Unless that was added in afterwards lol But back to the point yeah... If it's someone who's a real danger to society like a cereal killer or rapist and keeping them locked in part is also about protecting others... I can understand prison But for most types of crime I don't get why we are still using that as punishment... Prison is bad for ones mental health (were not meant to be locked up in a tiny cell 22-23 hours a day)... And they can't be that productive to society either they are tax payers money drain Makes more sense to me that they still live a life out here but are punished (and rehabilitated in others ways). In not saying I have all the answers. But surely all our minds can come up with a better system no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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