Born To Slay 10,996 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Kamala Harris said Monday that she will take significant action to curb spiraling gun violence in America — an effort by the California senator and former career prosecutor to own the gun-control issue in a crowded 2020 Democratic presidential field. Harris announced her plans during a CNN town hall, pledging that if Congress does not enact major gun legislation — including universal background checks, closing the so-called boyfriend loophole, and repealing a law that prevents victims from holding gunmakers and firearms dealers liable for their losses — she would take executive action to do so in her first 100 days as president. The proposed order would mandate near-universal background checks by requiring anyone who sells five or more guns a year to run a background check on all of their gun sales; rescind the licenses of gun-makers and dealers that break the law and take the “most egregious” offenders to court; reverse the Trump admiration’s change to the definition of “fugitive from justice” allowing fugitives with arrest warrants to buy guns; and close the so-called boyfriend loophole to prevent partners convicted of domestic violence charges from purchasing a gun. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/22/kamala-harris-guns-town-hall-1287205 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Kamala Harris proposes major executive actions to crack down on the Second Amendment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheQueenLG 2,469 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Good job, Kamala. She also called for Trump to be impeached, which oddly, is a necessity for me in a candidate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeleteMyAccount 11,881 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Kamala Harris proposes major executive actions to crack down on the Second Amendment You mean the amendment that allows citizens to arm themselves against a government that stands against its people? That's what the amendment means. The amendment isn't about gun shows of NRA members getting autographs from George Zimmerman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, ZacharyMark said: You mean the amendment that allows citizens to arm themselves against a government that stands against its people? That's what the amendment means. The amendment isn't about gun shows of NRA members getting autographs from George Zimmerman. Yes that is the amendment I am talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolve 571 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Faysalaaa said: Kamala Harris proposes major executive actions to crack down on the Second Amendment The amendment that was written hundreds of years ago when people were at war and actually needed guns to defend themselves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Evolve said: The amendment that was written hundreds of years ago when people were at war and actually needed guns to defend themselves Yes yes that is the amendment im talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geopang 4,831 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Evolve said: The amendment that was written hundreds of years ago when people were at war and actually needed guns to defend themselves When people can go into schools and public areas and shoot people, and yet no one has a gun to defend themself or kill the attacker, sounds to me like we are still at war and we have a severe problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Faysalaaa said: Yes yes that is the amendment im talking about Good thing a majority of Americans actually want sensible gun control and don't disingenuously believe Second Amendment = unlimited guns for EVERYONE Plus we all know what kind of people you guys REALLY mean when you say they have an absolute right to a gun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, geopang said: When people can go into schools and public areas and shoot people, and yet no one has a gun to defend themself or kill the attacker, sounds to me like we are still at war and we have a severe problem. Much of the problem here is you and people like you who erroneously believe more guns is going to equal safety or prevent this stuff. Literally no science go back that up. Science and empirical evidence show that MORE guns = MORE gun violence and that's the bottomline More guns won't do sh!t except make more violence. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Gagaloo92 said: Good thing a majority of Americans actually want sensible gun control and don't disingenuously believe Second Amendment = unlimited guns for EVERYONE Plus we all know what kind of people you guys REALLY mean when you say they have an absolute right to a gun. Tell me, what kind of people do I want to arm? and who is you guys? I am a Muslim Arab living in Saudi Arabia lol and im not even close to right wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geopang 4,831 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, Gagaloo92 said: The only problem here is you and people like you who erroneously believe more guns is going to equal safety or prevent this stuff. Literally no science go back that up. Science and empirical evidence show that MORE guns = MORE gun violence and that's the bottomline More guns won't do sh!t except make more violence. End of. Please dm me with the research studies. You do realize that horrible people will always find a way to get a gun? Just because law abiding people can’t have access to guns anymore, the criminals still will. That only does a disservice to the general, normal population. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gagaloo911 12,959 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, geopang said: Please dm me with the research studies. You do realize that horrible people will always find a way to get a gun? Just because law abiding people can’t have access to guns anymore, the criminals still will. That only does a disservice to the general, normal population. I'm not your teacher, find it yourself it's out there and isn't my problem you haven't done your homework. Also the lame excuse that people will always find a way is boring and outdated. Of course they will. But that's no excuse to not prevent them from getting it LEGALLY through having COMMON SENSE laws that prevent people who shouldn't have a gun from obtaining one LEGALLY. Which is currently what happens in many cases. Like what kind of logic is it to not make it harder for crazy people to get a gun?? I can't with you.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geopang 4,831 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gagaloo92 said: I'm not your teacher, find it yourself it's out there and isn't my problem you haven't done your homework. Also the lame excuse that people will always find a way is boring and outdated. Of course they will. But that's no excuse to not prevent them from getting it LEGALLY through having COMMON SENSE laws that prevent people who shouldn't have a gun from obtaining one LEGALLY. Which is currently what happens in many cases. Like what kind of logic is it to not make it harder for crazy people to get a gun?? I can't with you.. The burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, I don’t believe your “empirical evidence” exists. You clearly don’t understand where I’m coming from. Not once did I say crazy people should still have access to guns. They’re always going to get it illegally. I said law abiding, mentally sane citizens should have access to guns. This logic of “let’s completely get rid of legal access to guns” is nothing but a win for terrorists and psychopaths. Should there be alterations to the gun laws? Sure. But I also believe that more guns in the right people’s hands will do more good than bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn MonHoe 11,011 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, geopang said: The burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, I don’t believe your “empirical evidence” exists. You clearly don’t understand where I’m coming from. Not once did I say crazy people should still have access to guns. They’re always going to get it illegally. I said law abiding, mentally sane citizens should have access to guns. This logic of “let’s completely get rid of legal access to guns” is nothing but a win for terrorists and psychopaths. Should there be alterations to the gun laws? Sure. But I also believe that more guns in the right people’s hands will do more good than bad. Here is a link to Psychologytoday.com that links to two reviews on gun control. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/evidence-based-living/201803/do-firearm-laws-reduce-gun-related-deaths This is the first review: https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/38/1/140/2754868 The following is an excerpt from the main article: “The largest analysis of the link between gun violence and gun control legislation was published last year by a group of public health researchers in the journal Epidemiological Reviews. They analyzed 130 studies from 10 countries that explored the connections between firearm regulations and gun violence. The analysis uses data from a wide variety of firearms regulations including laws about sales and ownership, storage regulations, laws targeting specific types of firearms and ammunition, and punishments for gun offenders.” Here is the second review that focuses on the US. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2582989 The following is another excerpt from the main article: “A second review published last year in the Journal of the American Medical Association looked specifically at firearms laws in the U.S. to determine whether increased restrictions lead to fewer gun-related deaths. The researchers split laws into five categories: laws that target gun trafficking, laws that strengthen background checks, laws that improve child safety, laws that ban military-style assault weapons, and laws that restrict people from carrying guns in public places. On the whole, they found that increased restrictions led to lower rates of gun deaths, even after they adjusted for demographical differences in the studies. The research clearly showed that laws strengthening background checks and requiring a permit to purchase firearms decreased homicide rates. Laws focused on firearm trafficking, improving child safety, or the banning of military-style assault had no effect on gun-related deaths. And there was some, but not convincing, evidence that restricting guns in public places reduced deaths.” Most people do not want to ban all guns, they just want common sense gun laws to make it harder to obtain one. I’ve shown you some sources on gun control and how it works, show me some sources that indicate that more guns equal safety. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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