Economy 48,970 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, Deku said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k5250 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2018/10/16/organ-harvesting-in-china-and-the-many-questions/#7a2da0ca4542 Just read the one on harvesting. Sick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economy 48,970 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 @Deku just finished the one on the "schools" that had the Google Earth images Thanks for those links I didn't know of thisl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enzoooo 377 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 12 hours ago, YourCureness said: Disrespectful for the art and much more disrespectful for the life you are portraying. You mean more disrespectful than changing key information about that particular life being portrayed and changing the way events actually happened? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourCureness 2,844 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Enzo626 said: You mean more disrespectful than changing key information about that particular life being portrayed and changing the way events actually happened? Yes, on top of that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, BangTheGong said: Yes, I have been to China and no I don’t agree with ostracization and censorship of gay people. It is f****ed up that movies and art can’t depict so-called “deviant” behaviour. How are the LGBT supposed to advance their civil rights if no one speaks up about it?? Well then you should know that not only gay sex love scenes are cut out but almost all love scenes are cut out. Especially in the past, now it's becoming more loose and it will get there it just needs some time. I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Deku said: Not here for supporting an Authoritarian government that still has concentration camps and harvests organs from its citizens. Such Western thing to say. You don't have to agree with them but they have 1.3 billion citizens and need to keep them in check somehow. It's not as bad as you describe it, it's much better now, though western media has its own propaganda and want people to believe it's really bad there and in some places it is but life is not fair and it never will unfortunately. I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotNightwing 1,677 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mirages said: "Such Western thing to say. " "though western media has its own propaganda and want people to believe it's really bad there" The information we have on China doesn't just come from western nations. Most of the reports are from the UN. Lots of independent nations have criticized China's human rights abuses. 16 minutes ago, Mirages said: You don't have to agree with them but they have 1.3 billion citizens and need to keep them in check somehow. A democratic government wouldn't need to keep it's citizens in check. Are you really okay with killing peaceful protesters to "keep them in check"? 21 minutes ago, Mirages said: and in some places it is Even you admit that China is guilty of these crimes. "Life is not fair" is not a reason to accept something. Are you okay with slavery, racism, sexism, homophobia, torture, etc? After all, in your words, "Life is not fair and it never will be". Please educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirages 20,259 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, Deku said: The information we have on China doesn't just come from western nations. Most of the reports are from the UN. China is not a part of the UN, so the information provided are still part of the propaganda. Just like the western media has its own propaganda, so do Chinese media. It's been like that for a very long time. It's poolitical thing. 31 minutes ago, Deku said: A democratic government wouldn't need to keep it's citizens in check. Are you really okay with killing peaceful protesters to "keep them in check"? A democratic government doesn't really work anywhere even if we are believed to have it. Not even the US has it just look at who won the popular vote in last election and who was elected at the end. When you have a mass of people like that there will always be groups of people that will try to get power. Yes in the past China has taken a few actions that they should not have. But most of them are hardly peaceful. Just look at the way Falun Gong is depicted here, that they are peaceful and want nothing else but freedom and how the Chinese government is arresting people for it, when the truth is that it is quite a dangerous cult and some of their practises of meditation when not done properly are so dangerous that they have turned people mad with some of them taking their own lifes at the end. Same with Tibet, people here in the west scream free Tibet, when they don't even know the facts. Like the fact that when the whole free Tibet thing started it was done when China was weakend and western powers used this movement to attempt to destabilize China even more, most people in Tibet don't even wanna leave China, because Tibet has historically always been a part of China, the Chinese government has done a lot for the people - bringing better healthcare and education to their people. So you kinda need to keep people in check cause there are territories in China that are not sufficient on their own and sometimes were used by the western powers in attempts to tear China apart into smaller countries with many of them then having to rely economincally on the west. Some people that live there don't want that. 47 minutes ago, Deku said: Even you admit that China is guilty of these crimes. "Life is not fair" is not a reason to accept something. Are you okay with slavery, racism, sexism, homophobia, torture, etc? After all, in your words, "Life is not fair and it never will be". I'm not sayin I'm ok with that but first of all it's not that bad there anymore, second of all I don't yell here shame when it has literally no point especially since the views and laws are losing up in China quite quickly now. 49 minutes ago, Deku said: Please educate yourself. Girl, I studied Chinese and Chinese culture and history. No need for that. I know personally people that got in trouble for laughing to Mao Zedong's face and having trouble with the government, they migrated and now came back to China because it's much better even though life there can be tough. Not everything is just bad, like I really don't like people screaming China is bad because they censor, they keep protesters in check, when they don't see both sides. I'm the bitch that's fragile Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotNightwing 1,677 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mirages said: A democratic government doesn't really work anywhere even if we are believed to have it. Not even the US has it just look at who won the popular vote in last election and who was elected at the end. Democracy demonstrably does work. America is a bad example because it is classified as a "flawed democracy". It is only 25th in the world. Many countries have more effective democratic governments. Even with its flaws though America still has a far higher standard of living and quality of life than China does. 10 minutes ago, Mirages said: it is quite a dangerous cult and some of their practises of meditation when not done properly are so dangerous that they have turned people mad with some of them taking their own lifes at the end Meditation driving people mad? How brainwashed are you that you believe this propaganda? That is completely unscientific. 19 minutes ago, Mirages said: Chinese government has done a lot for the people - bringing better healthcare and education to their people That I can believe. China has made great strides in improving the quality of life of its citizens, they still have far to go however. 17 minutes ago, Mirages said: Not everything is just bad, like I really don't like people screaming China is bad because they censor, they keep protesters in check, when they don't see both sides. I'm gonna pull out of the debate, because if you can't see what's wrong with a government censoring dissenting opinions then I don't think we will ever see eye to eye. Thank you for responding to me so thoroughly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BangTheGong 310 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Mirages said: Well then you should know that not only gay sex love scenes are cut out but almost all love scenes are cut out. Especially in the past, now it's becoming more loose and it will get there it just needs some time. Sorry not the same at all. There is a huge homophobia problem in China. A lot of men are closeted and lead double-lives who live in fear of familial shame and societal ostracism. I do have hope that things in China will get better in the future but it’s going to take a huge cultural shift to get them there. It doesn’t help when the government thinks scrubbing all art and entertainment of LGBT themes is going to make gay people disappear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elijahfan 25,856 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 So they basically cut 3 seconds of footage. Ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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