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For Leaving Neverland believers Or Open Minded Folks

(Don't come in here trying to start heated posts)

 

This review that I have seen is such a sensible review of Leaving Neverland. This is a post for people who believe that Michael Jackson Did molest children. She tackles a lot of opposing opinions which most Michael fans bring up. If you have time to hear her review you should definitely listen to it. I worked on an essay while I heard her speak her truth. It really helped me reinforce the idea that Micheal did do it because she makes a lot of good points.

 

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Matangi

theres no doubt when the evidence is stacked up. the doubt comes from people who cannot  imagine a cultural hero who has also been abusive.

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nicolasrumet

Lmao 5mins in and I stopped because of how dumb her argument is

"What is remarkable is that both men tell very similar stories and these guys are from different sides of the world"...

Is she clueless or something?

They have had the same lawyer since 2013 and are actually in touch with each other. So it won't be hard for them to settle on what to say, even though the documentary intentionally interviewed them separately to make it look like they don't know each other. 

Can't be bothered wasting 30mins of my time watching someone who's clueless and gives the impression that she didn't do her research right off the bat.

Also Wade has been living in the U.S for a while. He was working with NSYNC, Britney Spears, even won two Emmy's as a choreographer and was going to work on Michael Jackson show in 2011/2012 (but MJ estate ended up giving the job to someone else) and his career went downhill from there.

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retroglamx
9 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Lmao 5mins in and I stopped because of how dumb her argument is

"What is remarkable is that both men tell very similar stories and these guys are from different sides of the world"...

Is she clueless or something?

They have had the same lawyer since 2013 and are actually in touch with each other. So it won't be hard for them to settle on what to say, even though the documentary intentionally interviewed them separately to make it look like they don't know each other. 

Can't be bothered wasting 30mins of my time watching someone who's clueless and gives the impression that she didn't do her research right off the bat.

Also Wade has been living in the U.S for a while. He was working with NSYNC, Britney Spears, even won two Emmy's as a choreographer and was going to work on Michael Jackson show in 2011/2012 (but MJ estate ended up giving the job to someone else) and his career went downhill from there.

This.

Pink flamingos always fascinated me.
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MarriedToMusic
26 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Lmao 5mins in and I stopped because of how dumb her argument is

"What is remarkable is that both men tell very similar stories and these guys are from different sides of the world"...

Is she clueless or something?

They have had the same lawyer since 2013 and are actually in touch with each other. So it won't be hard for them to settle on what to say, even though the documentary intentionally interviewed them separately to make it look like they don't know each other. 

Can't be bothered wasting 30mins of my time watching someone who's clueless and didn't do her research right off the bat.

This. They have the same attorneys. Taken from Wade's own emails during the discovery phase in their lawsuit, in 2012 he was actively researching prior MJ allegations, tabloid news reports, MJ hater websites & books on paedophilia plus hounding his mother with hundreds of questions because he couldn't actually remember much about Neverland, all to help build his story of "abuse". 

The director tried to lie and say they haven't been in contact yet they admitted under deposition they have been. When you actually read Safechuck's lawsuit, it's like a copy and paste job from Wade. 

Their attorneys who specialise in multi-million dollar settlements in sex abuse cases, have a history of victim fishing, false accusations and using the media to smear people. 

 

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39 minutes ago, nicolasrumet said:

Lmao 5mins in and I stopped because of how dumb her argument is

"What is remarkable is that both men tell very similar stories and these guys are from different sides of the world"...

Is she clueless or something?

They have had the same lawyer since 2013 and are actually in touch with each other. So it won't be hard for them to settle on what to say, even though the documentary intentionally interviewed them separately to make it look like they don't know each other. 

Can't be bothered wasting 30mins of my time watching someone who's clueless and gives the impression that she didn't do her research right off the bat.

Also Wade has been living in the U.S for a while. He was working with NSYNC, Britney Spears, even won two Emmy's as a choreographer and was going to work on Michael Jackson show in 2011/2012 (but MJ estate ended up giving the job to someone else) and his career went downhill from there.

YoU oNlY sUpPorT MJ bCuZ u R a fAn! IM dIStUrBeD u SuPpoRT a pEdOpHiLE, u R bLiND!!!

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Matangi
27 minutes ago, Adakam said:

YoU oNlY sUpPorT MJ bCuZ u R a fAn! IM dIStUrBeD u SuPpoRT a pEdOpHiLE, u R bLiND!!!

 

1 hour ago, nicolasrumet said:

Lmao 5mins in and I stopped because of how dumb her argument is

"What is remarkable is that both men tell very similar stories and these guys are from different sides of the world"...

Is she clueless or something?

They have had the same lawyer since 2013 and are actually in touch with each other. So it won't be hard for them to settle on what to say, even though the documentary intentionally interviewed them separately to make it look like they don't know each other. 

Can't be bothered wasting 30mins of my time watching someone who's clueless and gives the impression that she didn't do her research right off the bat.

Also Wade has been living in the U.S for a while. He was working with NSYNC, Britney Spears, even won two Emmy's as a choreographer and was going to work on Michael Jackson show in 2011/2012 (but MJ estate ended up giving the job to someone else) and his career went downhill from there.

 

44 minutes ago, MarriedToMusic said:

This. They have the same attorneys. Taken from Wade's own emails during the discovery phase in their lawsuit, in 2012 he was actively researching prior MJ allegations, tabloid news reports, MJ hater websites & books on paedophilia plus hounding his mother with hundreds of questions because he couldn't actually remember much about Neverland, all to help build his story of "abuse". 

The director tried to lie and say they haven't been in contact yet they admitted under deposition they have been. When you actually read Safechuck's lawsuit, it's like a copy and paste job from Wade. 

Their attorneys who specialise in multi-million dollar settlements in sex abuse cases, have a history of victim fishing, false accusations and using the media to smear people. 

 

Just so we're clear, you honestly believe that Michael Jackson slept in the same bed as dozens of very young boys throughout many years, which is well documented and undisputed, and all he did was sleep beside them? lmfao

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Adakam
14 minutes ago, Matangi said:

 

 

Just so we're clear, you honestly believe that Michael Jackson slept in the same bed as dozens of very young boys throughout many years, which is well documented and undisputed, and all he did was sleep beside them? lmfao

hE sLePt iN tHe SaMe BeD wItH tHe BoYs!! ThAtS aBsOlUte EvIdEnCE! LmFaO!!!

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nicolasrumet
23 minutes ago, Matangi said:

Just so we're clear, you honestly believe that Michael Jackson slept in the same bed as dozens of very young boys throughout many years, which is well documented and undisputed, and all he did was sleep beside them? lmfao

Okay and?

Does that prove guilt?

Let me put this into perspective, back in the day when we'd have parties at my place and there aren't enough room I'd share the bed with some of my friends. Does my mere presence in the bed with them conclude that we had sexual intercourse or activities? (I personally shared bed with female friends and even straight male friends back in the day)

Whether you think it's right or wrong, Michael thought it's okay for him to be a friend and a parent figure for those children. So if they want to sleep in his bed, he'd let them. Of course he was naive and he shouldn't have done it. But he views things different than mature ordinary people. The real question is, is that enough to claim he's a pedophile?

What if he was a woman. I think people would've viewed it differently since women are viewed as more affectionate then men. If you slept in the bed of a close friend of your mother, no one would be making a big deal out of it.

And a lot of people are saying "oh notice that only cute boys sleep in his bed"... Bullshit. He let both girls and boys sleep in his bed (he admits that he sleeps on the floor but let's say he slept in the bed with them).

Also, Gavin is rather far from being cute or anything. If he was indeed sexually attracted to children, I'd be VERY VERY surprised if nothing happened with Macaulay Culkin for example. So that whole "only cute boys" argument is also dumb.

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MarriedToMusic
26 minutes ago, Matangi said:

 

 

Just so we're clear, you honestly believe that Michael Jackson slept in the same bed as dozens of very young boys throughout many years, which is well documented and undisputed, and all he did was sleep beside them? lmfao

Dozens of people slept in Michael's bed. Adults, kids, nieces/nephews, employees, his manager/make up artist etc. Michael grew up poor and slept in the same bed as his brothers. He was mentally stuck in his childhood ways. He liked to have people around him while he slept. 

The real question is, If Michael was this master manipulator and sophisticated pedophile like Leaving Neverland claims, why would he publicly admit  on TV that he thought sharing a bed with a child was okay? He welcomed these kind of allegations, he made it easy for the world to think he was a pedophile. That's not smart, that's not the actions of someone trying to keep their criminal acts a secret. 

He was recklessly naive and while I don't condone him sharing his bed, that does not make him a criminal. 

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Ayria
On 3/18/2019 at 5:31 PM, MarriedToMusic said:

Dozens of people slept in Michael's bed. Adults, kids, nieces/nephews, employees, his manager/make up artist etc. Michael grew up poor and slept in the same bed as his brothers. He was mentally stuck in his childhood ways. He liked to have people around him while he slept. 

The real question is, If Michael was this master manipulator and sophisticated pedophile like Leaving Neverland claims, why would he publicly admit  on TV that he thought sharing a bed with a child was okay? He welcomed these kind of allegations, he made it easy for the world to think he was a pedophile. That's not smart, that's not the actions of someone trying to keep their criminal acts a secret. 

He was recklessly naive and while I don't condone him sharing his bed, that does not make him a criminal. 

Sleeping in bed with preteen boys for nights on end (which is corroborated and undeniable) is still inappropriate AT BEST. 

MJ should’ve done everything he could’ve done to avoid the image of impropriety after the 1993 payoff situation but instead he continued. Seems to imply a compulsion to sleep in bed with young boys. Bob Jones, an ex manager of Jackson claims to have been fired after he told MJ about how it looks to have these inappropriate relationships with little boys. MJ was VERY intelligent and calculated, Leaving Neverland illustrates that even if you don’t believe the allegations. 

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On 3/18/2019 at 3:55 PM, nicolasrumet said:

Lmao 5mins in and I stopped because of how dumb her argument is

"What is remarkable is that both men tell very similar stories and these guys are from different sides of the world"...

Is she clueless or something?

They have had the same lawyer since 2013 and are actually in touch with each other. So it won't be hard for them to settle on what to say, even though the documentary intentionally interviewed them separately to make it look like they don't know each other. 

Can't be bothered wasting 30mins of my time watching someone who's clueless and gives the impression that she didn't do her research right off the bat.

Also Wade has been living in the U.S for a while. He was working with NSYNC, Britney Spears, even won two Emmy's as a choreographer and was going to work on Michael Jackson show in 2011/2012 (but MJ estate ended up giving the job to someone else) and his career went downhill from there.

So you didn’t even watch the full video? She actually makes a lot of compelling arguments. And what about the elements of their stories that they can’t control? Both had stage moms, both had dad’s who weren’t always there for various reasons, both spent a ton of verified alone time with Michael in his bed. 

Them having the same lawyer doesn’t prove they corroborated. They’d have to be sick individuals to make this stuff up, and what are the odds that so many of MJ’s childhood “best friends” grew up to be sociopathic liars? Would you believe their stories if they had different lawyers? 

From the research I’ve done, Wade quit his job as the choreographer of the MJ show, and moved to Hawaii shortly after. Can you find a source that says he was fired. Why would being fired from one show terminate his whole career and lead him down the path of making false abuse allegations for years and lying to his entire family? Especially after he lost his case due to statute of limitations, it seems unlikely he’ll get a huge payday from this doc like MJ defenders claim. The idea that this is a smear campaign doesn’t add up. Why would these two men portray themselves in such vulnerable and sometimes embarrassing ways if they were fabricating everything? 

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28 minutes ago, Ayria said:

So you didn’t even watch the full video? She actually makes a lot of compelling arguments. And what about the elements of their stories that they can’t control? Both had stage moms, both had dad’s who weren’t always there for various reasons, both spent a ton of verified alone time with Michael in his bed. 

Them having the same lawyer doesn’t prove they corroborated. They’d have to be sick individuals to make this stuff up, and what are the odds that so many of MJ’s childhood “best friends” grew up to be sociopathic liars? Would you believe their stories if they had different lawyers? 

From the research I’ve done, Wade quit his job as the choreographer of the MJ show, and moved to Hawaii shortly after. Can you find a source that says he was fired. Why would being fired from one show terminate his whole career and lead him down the path of making false abuse allegations for years and lying to his entire family? Especially after he lost his case due to statute of limitations, it seems unlikely he’ll get a huge payday from this doc like MJ defenders claim. The idea that this is a smear campaign doesn’t add up. Why would these two men portray themselves in such vulnerable and sometimes embarrassing ways if they were fabricating everything? 

Say it louder for the people in the back

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59 minutes ago, Ayria said:

So you didn’t even watch the full video? She actually makes a lot of compelling arguments. And what about the elements of their stories that they can’t control? Both had stage moms, both had dad’s who weren’t always there for various reasons, both spent a ton of verified alone time with Michael in his bed. 

Them having the same lawyer doesn’t prove they corroborated. They’d have to be sick individuals to make this stuff up, and what are the odds that so many of MJ’s childhood “best friends” grew up to be sociopathic liars? Would you believe their stories if they had different lawyers? 

From the research I’ve done, Wade quit his job as the choreographer of the MJ show, and moved to Hawaii shortly after. Can you find a source that says he was fired. Why would being fired from one show terminate his whole career and lead him down the path of making false abuse allegations for years and lying to his entire family? Especially after he lost his case due to statute of limitations, it seems unlikely he’ll get a huge payday from this doc like MJ defenders claim. The idea that this is a smear campaign doesn’t add up. Why would these two men portray themselves in such vulnerable and sometimes embarrassing ways if they were fabricating everything? 

I'm not going to waste 30mins of my time watching someone who shows me right off the bat that they didn't do their homework (these are two guys who are from the opposite sides of the world and never met each other telling the same story) just lol...

Regarding Wade, he wanted to direct MJ show, but they ended up picking someone else (I guess that's when his feud with MJ estate started). Of course he'll lie about it. But here's Branca's sworn testimony in 2017 deposition:

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And to answer your question. First he came up with these allegations BEFORE he lost his courtcases. Second, they have an appeal coming up later this year. So it'd make sense for them to try to sway the public opinion in their favor, to try to win their 100M+ courtcase against MJ estate.

If you really think that human beings aren't willing to do anything for that sum of money, then what can I say... The world isn't the innocent peaceful rainbow you think it is.

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