Jeff Kunst 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Well seeing you you seem to have great conscious,(and I do mean this seriously, your perspective is beautiful) you must also realize none of us, you, or anyone else here exactly knows what Gaga is going through and what this recent post on little monsters is actually about. Personally when I read it I automatically got a bad vibe, not because the fan base is reacting negatively, but because it's context with her other posts on lm.com. It's completely plausible that this is just some sort of digression into a discussion about critics, but it's also completely plausible this is simply an extension of possible sadness/depression whatever, ...you know an outcry. And I also think alot of people assume it's an outcry because I think most people act the same people Gaga does when we're upset about something, and are able to recognize through their own experiences when someone is having one. When someone is really upset about something they usually continue to talk(more so vent) about subjects directly related to their pain over an amount of time....as a simple form of catharsis. It seems she is posing questions like a discussion, but after reading the whole post, it seems she's just relaying thoughts/emotions on the internet. And it's not so uncommon for people to vent online, ever since the creation of social networking, as it's so much easier to vent things into a digital world than in person...you know, the venting isn't as real, so the pain isn't neither. But like i said....none of us know exactly what is going on. An I do agree, with some posters and you, instead of making a possible situation worse, by getting ourselves worked up and emotional(which probably only makes Gaga more emotional or simply draws out the situation with her) we should look at these posts as opportunities of support and positive discussion, progressive discussion. Thanks. You're right, but since we don't know for sure what tone to read her posts in I prefer not to assume the worst. In general, I think it makes sense to take messages in text as reasonably and un-dramatic as possible unless given a reason to do otherwise. Edited January 12, 2014 by Jeff Kunst Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disregard 50 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) That was explored in the Paparazzi music video, where the media turns on her but in the end they love her again merely because she killed her boyfriend. I honestly don't know where you're getting any of that stuff from what she's actually said. It's all a bunch of outside assumptions imposed on what she's saying. If you assume everything she says is a whiny tantrum then yeah, it looks like a whiny tantrum. So stop assuming that and just read it, ponder it, or discuss it. Even when she was the "golden child" there were plenty of people ****ting on her, and has been exploring this stuff since the Paparazzi era. The Paparazzi video was ages ago, before she encountered even an ounce of the criticism she receives now. She was essentially playing dress-up at that point, portraying a part that she was yet to actually encompass. She's in the thick of it now, and she really has shown that she is not fully prepared in dealing with it. Edited January 12, 2014 by Disregard Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron1012 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Thanks. You're right, but since we don't know for sure what tone to read her posts in I prefer not to assume the worst. In general, I think it makes sense to take messages in text as reasonably and un-dramatic as possible unless given a reason to do otherwise. Completely agree. It's more beneficial for everyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown Eyes 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) would you critic a dance show if you were not yourself a dancer? Would you critic an English paper if you did not speak English? Or a French paper if you don't speak French? The utterly flawed logic gets me every time Edited January 12, 2014 by Brown Eyes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) The Paparazzi video was ages ago, before she encountered even an ounce of the criticism she receives now. She was essentially playing dress-up at that point, playing a part that she was yet to actually encompass. She's in the thick of it now, and she really has shown that he is not fully prepared in dealing with it. Sure, but the point was that she knows that the media's praise can be as shallow as its criticism. She is dealing with the criticism. Part of dealing with it involves thinking about its role in her work, and sharing those thoughts. The idea that she's gone off the deep end just because she's written a handful posts about the topic recently is totally made up by this fan-base. Just because it gets repeated over and over doesn't make it true. Edited January 12, 2014 by Jeff Kunst Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allison M 357 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Why are you guys saying she is "losing it"? No she isn't. It's her view and opinion. Just because she wasn't as direct about it before doesn't mean it just came about and it certainly does not mean she is weak, insecure, and failing. You guys read so far into everything and make everything so damn negative. I agree that Gaga should stop talking about it and focus on the damn music and performances instead, but **** guys. Relax a bit! 90% of you sound like you're about to jump ship. It's stupid. If Gaga's comment on a LM post makes you this upset then step away. It's not the end of the world. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 would you critic a dance show if you were not yourself a dancer? Would you critic an English paper if you did not speak English? Or a French paper if you don't speak French? The utter lack of logic gets me everytime The point is that they don't comprehend the work that goes into her output, and so they only judge it superficially. You don't have to be a musician to critically think about music, of course, but it would help to understand that side of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio 23,538 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I'm sorry but Gaga should just shut up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disregard 50 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Sure, but the point was that she knows that the media's praise can be as shallow as its criticism. She is dealing with the criticism. Part of dealing with it involves thinking about its role in her work, and sharing those thoughts. The idea that she's gone off the deep end just because she's written a handful posts about the topic recently is totally made up by this fan-base. Just because it gets repeated over and over doesn't make it true. I don't think she's gone off the deep end, but I do think she's treading in waters that are not only useless to explore but also detrimental to her purported message. Edited January 12, 2014 by Disregard Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron1012 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Well I feel completely stupid. I'll be honest. I thought critique and criticism were the same in the English language. http://scribesalley.blogspot.com/2008/08/difference-between-critique-and.html I felt like Gaga was too knowledgeable for a post came off so questionable to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit the frog 1,921 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) Oh god, please tell me this is fake! LAWD. Has she gone insane? I cant believe she said that. I just... there are so many wrong things with this that I don't know where to begin. Gaga, what is happening to you? Edited January 12, 2014 by Kermit the frog Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 I don't think she's gone off the deep end, but I do think she's treading in waters that are not only useless to explore but also detrimental to her supposed message. So you keep saying, but you're not explaining why beyond a bunch of assumptions. You want her to deal with the criticism. This is how she's dealing with it. You said her message is that the music is what matters. This is how she gets us to think about and discuss that message. What's the problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ander_Monster 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 And people said Born This Way alienated the fandom... In any case it was just the beginning, because ARTPOP has become an absolute unstoppable disaster. The general public was already tired of her cheap talking, but now lot of us are leaving too... Its just boring how she talks about music in such a poetic way and how she has such a high vision of herself, and then she ends up releasing a basic pop album Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Kunst 0 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 "Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 The hypocrisy.... There are plenty of critics that actually did study art/music/film etc + Gaga didn't study psychology, human sciences, or religion, so she shouldn't be talking about those topics if she were to follow her own advice. Gaga should just stick to art, music, and dance, because she is a popstar/musician, not a critic, a politician, and/or a psychiatrist. If she can't handle the criticism she should just stop, because you know critics will a--lyze your work, as they should. Gaga, should you read this, I still love you, but I'm actually very, very worried about your health, more about your mental health than your physical health at this point. Make sure you take care of yourself, even if that means aborting this era right now so you can get back in a good place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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