Terry Crews goes on rant against same-sex parents

[Didymus 34,379]

2 hours ago, ezjo said:

Yes they are. The studies on this are well established. Instead of relying on your personal anecdote you should be evidenced based - and children are better off with their biological mom and dad however many anecdotes you can come up with.

I wanna see those studies lol. I've only seen ones that completely contradict your pov.

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24 minutes ago, ThatBish said:

I just find it funny how you are seriously gunning for blood with your comment.

I don't think he said anything that is homophobic. I think you are way out of line to throw around that word so loosely. Do I agree with what he said? No. Do I understand what where he was coming from? Yes as misinformed as it was.

I just think these kinds of attitudes are what help perpetuate divisiveness. You are making no attempt at truly changing his point of view and therefore directly diffusing the situation. Instead of seeing an opportunity to understand his point of view as to therefore be able to debate and discuss it sensibly to bring about positivity and better someones beliefs that may impact something important, you chose to attack and blow his comments out of proportion which in my opinion only makes the situation worse.

I don't excuse what he said and I don't to you either. In my opinion I believe the right thing for either of you to do is be sensible and open to a complete other point of view as that is a better way to change it.

For example, my mother and several other older people in the UK hold somewhat racist views (and in my mother's case homophobic too) that some people would love to gather a pitchfork mob against. But I would hate to see her attacked for it. And that doesn't create change. The two years of having a shouting match with her over my sexuality never changed her beliefs, it was when I matured and listened to such a conflicting POV to my own that we really made progress. 

Rant over, thanks for @ing me though, it was good to get this off my chest.

 

Okay. I respect your opinion and understand your point of view. No harm intended towards you and I apologize if I came on like I was attacking you 

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14 minutes ago, ThatBish said:

I just think these kinds of attitudes are what help perpetuate divisiveness. You are making no attempt at truly changing his point of view and therefore directly diffusing the situation. Instead of seeing an opportunity to understand his point of view as to therefore be able to debate and discuss it sensibly to bring about positivity and better someones beliefs that may impact something important, you chose to attack and blow his comments out of proportion which in my opinion only makes the situation worse.

I totally agree with what you're saying but that's the problem with social media and Twitter in particular. You don't get to have that open-ended conversation. People like Terry choose to communicate their opinions about very serious issues to the whole world in a friggin' tweet. Nobody should be that careless with their means of expression and expect serious, well-constructed and time-consuming replies as if that's a fair exchange...

He likes to throw his opinion around? Well, so do others. I agree that that's not contributing to anything, but Terry isn't contributing to anything either and I doubt he gives a flying f-ck about what people reply to him anyway, so why make an effort for a lost cause?

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33 minutes ago, Didymus said:

I wanna see those studies lol. I've only seen ones that completely contradict your pov.

It's pretty clear even to someone just using common sense. A child is better off with their mothers and fathers then with a stranger, only one parent or none at all. Not that hard. And it's not my job to educate you, that's your responsibility. But,

https://ifstudies.org/blog/dont-overlook-marriage-in-the-fight-to-end-child-poverty

Married parents (mom and dad) are a prevention against child poverty. Single parent households are overwhelmingly likely to be poor. 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/03/05/kids-male-role-models/111097478/

Male role models keep children (especially boys) out of risky behaviors and crime. 

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/opre/research/project/national-incidence-study-of-child-abuse-and-neglect-nis-4-2004-2009

Children are at the greatest risk of abuse when living with single mothers.

I mean, these facts are very easy to find so it can't be that you needed me to do this for you. A married mom and dad is factually the optimal situation. 

There's so many things boys and girls can't or won't talk to adults of the opposite sex about. The idea that a young girl would have the exact same outcomes in a single father home, two dads or single mother home as married households really is just anti-science at this point. Terry's point is correct that you need a mom and a dad and if you don't, you might not completely fail but you're not getting set up with the best case scenario - which is a married mom and dad. I think gays (I'm gay) get hyper-defensive about this because they take it as a personal attack when they should just see it as the truth and move along.

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People who criticize children being raised by same-sex couples should save their energy for all the children being raised by single mothers and daycare employees who don't get 'paternal love' either.  The struggle of the single parent is a MUCH BIGGER, actual PROBLEM for our country. I'm disappointed to see Terry engaging in this sort of virtue signaling and making a non-problem into a problem. 

I understand that gay issues are very close to home here and probably 99% of GGD will want to CANCELLDT him and completely write off all the important things he has done for male sexual harassment victim's visibility. But keep in mind that if you quizzed your favorite "woke' celebrities on every single one of their opinions, you will find that all of them will hold at least one that you strongly disagree with, or have at least one completely hypocritical behavior. 

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"Lover to my wife, father to my children, friend to my friends, and servant to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

Did we expect anything not messy with a twitter bio like this?

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2 hours ago, Anitta said:

Okay. I respect your opinion and understand your point of view. No harm intended towards you and I apologize if I came on like I was attacking you 

Much love back at you, I didn't think you were coming for me really and I appreciate you understanding my point of view too. Make no mistake, I understand where you are coming from as well 

2 hours ago, Didymus said:

I totally agree with what you're saying but that's the problem with social media and Twitter in particular. You don't get to have that open-ended conversation. People like Terry choose to communicate their opinions about very serious issues to the whole world in a friggin' tweet. Nobody should be that careless with their means of expression and expect serious, well-constructed and time-consuming replies as if that's a fair exchange...

He likes to throw his opinion around? Well, so do others. I agree that that's not contributing to anything, but Terry isn't contributing to anything either and I doubt he gives a flying f-ck about what people reply to him anyway, so why make an effort for a lost cause?

Yeah i fully agree with this too, I personally kind of resent social media because someone like me doesn't really gel with what it can create. 

It can be great though to connect the world in such a way but more often than not it just becomes this spaghetti bowl of people throwing their opinions in the mix with no one really making an effort to reflect on what is being said.

That said, I do still want to promote the idea that, as much as in this case what I believe to be the right thing may not come about, I still believe that sometimes it does and it can be implemented in social media and would like to see the day when it is.

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1 hour ago, ezjo said:

It's pretty clear even to someone just using common sense. A child is better off with their mothers and fathers then with a stranger, only one parent or none at all. Not that hard. And it's not my job to educate you, that's your responsibility. But,

https://ifstudies.org/blog/dont-overlook-marriage-in-the-fight-to-end-child-poverty

Married parents (mom and dad) are a prevention against child poverty. Single parent households are overwhelmingly likely to be poor. 

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2018/03/05/kids-male-role-models/111097478/

Male role models keep children (especially boys) out of risky behaviors and crime. 

https://www.acf.hhs.gov/opre/research/project/national-incidence-study-of-child-abuse-and-neglect-nis-4-2004-2009

Children are at the greatest risk of abuse when living with single mothers.

I mean, these facts are very easy to find so it can't be that you needed me to do this for you. A married mom and dad is factually the optimal situation. 

There's so many things boys and girls can't or won't talk to adults of the opposite sex about. The idea that a young girl would have the exact same outcomes in a single father home, two dads or single mother home as married households really is just anti-science at this point. Terry's point is correct that you need a mom and a dad and if you don't, you might not completely fail but you're not getting set up with the best case scenario - which is a married mom and dad. I think gays (I'm gay) get hyper-defensive about this because they take it as a personal attack when they should just see it as the truth and move along.

lol

Those findings are almost completely unrelated to the issue of same-sex parenting. Just because single mom parenting is not ideal doesn’t mean two dads or two moms raising a kid is not ideal either, that logic is not supported by your studies at all. The marriage study is equally irrelevant as you could probably make the same case for married same-sex couples raising a kid. The issue is clearly stability and having good role models. To take that issue and to simplify it in a gendered storyline is just stupid and would never qualify as a scientific statement. In fact, what scientific studies are showing is that there really is no relevant difference between mixed and same-sex gender parenting. And those are also very easy to find online and they are far more direct and relevant than the sort-of-related-but-not-really studies you showed up with 

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21 hours ago, FABian said:

I'm gay, but let's not kid ourselves. 

I actually believe that if I ever have a child, I'd want the child mother in his life, in whatever capacity. 

They need both masculine and feminine energy forms. And it ain't even an issue about gender yall.  It just is what it is. It's about balance. 

Reading through this thread I’m baffled by these kinds of comments. Wtf are these paternal and maternal energies and types of love you’re all babbling about? Like, seriously, wtf? How creepily heteronormative is that?  

Seriously, it’s sad that after so many years of scientific research battling the idea of heteronormativity and binary gender models we still feel the need to invoke these embarrassing clichés and dress them up as common sense or even scientific when they’re literally cultural myths no different than religious makebelief.

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9 hours ago, Didymus said:

Reading through this thread I’m baffled by these kinds of comments. Wtf are these paternal and maternal energies and types of love you’re all babbling about? Like, seriously, wtf? How creepily heteronormative is that?  

Seriously, it’s sad that after so many years of scientific research battling the idea of heteronormativity and binary gender models we still feel the need to invoke these embarrassing clichés and dress them up as common sense or even scientific when they’re literally cultural myths no different than religious makebelief.

Just check animals

Woo

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On 3/2/2019 at 11:03 PM, Supersonic said:

...he's literally calling them "malnourished of love" and I'm the dramatic one.  Don't take this personal, but why are you asking me to provide links when it's out on the web and easily accessible? The wikipedia page about LGBT parenting provides 15 different sources to this claim, it's really not that hard to find. I'm not a teacher, nor am I a professor and I shouldn't feel obligated to educate you just so you can properly join a discussion. That's your own responsibility.

gurl you are the one talking about "studies that were done, hurr durr", then you are responsible for backing up your words with said studies and links to them (or at least the specific site where to find them) 

 

also... "educate on your own" with studies is often not that easy since many official studies can be locked behind a paywall, also there are many sites where studies are published, and thus can be hard to find a specific one you search

 

if anything you are the ignorant one here for saying the classic line "studies show.." without backing it up with proofs by yourself 

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5 hours ago, FABian said:

Just check animals

Woo

Go check 'em, yes. Same-sex sexual behavior, same-sex relationships and same-sex parenting are perfectly normal phenomena for mammals on the higher end of the evolution scheme. In fact, talking about your "balance", it's been shown that same-sex parenting kicks in intuitively among multiple species of higher developed mammals to make sure that there is no overbearing amount of newborns, to ensure the stability of the social group. So the joke's on you. Unregulated heterosexual behavior undermines the stability and survival chances of a group.

There's been hundreds of studies about these subjects, incl. about how gender is most definitely fluid and not strictly binary in the animal kingdom. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself before spouting your outdated and scientifically unsupported "common sense".

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I was actually so proud of the fact that he has been very openly accepting of love and support from both the girls and the gays in his fan base. I thought he was very open minded for a Hollywood actor. 

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I was all for his stand against sexual harassment/abuse/rape. 

This just aint it.

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As much as I support same sex marriage, I personally still don’t find having kids a thoughtful act. You guys might drag me for saying this but hear me out. It might be politically correct for Americans to embrace kids with same sex parents, however, in where I live, the kids are going to suffer a lot emotionally from all the attention and harsh opinions. I know someone who has same sex parents and she has to be identified as a kid from a single parent family coz same sex marriage is not recognised here also to make it seem less strange coz she hates attention from having 2 dads.

In a lot of Asian countries, even a divorce is considered a disgrace, let alone pretending that your parents are divorced just to cover the fact that you have 2 dads in order to avoid being a bully magnet.

So yes, what this guy tweeted was so wrong, I think 2 males or 2 females can make great parents but it’s true that in some parts of the world, being a gay couple and having kids is really not good for the kids.