Is Enigma a Mistake?

[glamour show 103]

30 minutes ago, voidfigure said:

She toured Joanne on a stage full of fire, wearing leather-fringed jackets and a full red latex bodysuit as videos of fretting bodies played on the backdrop screen, with interludes that were creepy af (the paint-drooling face, the claws), dying on a descending platform and singing about sex dreams at coachella, a show that had a intro made of basicalcally The Ring's videotape footeage. Yeah, she wasn't "Gaga" enough during Joanne.

And was Enigma a mistake?

No. She's happy with that and gets coins.

Yeah because the JWT was better lol 

[adamsenigma 9,520]

As long as she keeps the ugly UGLY costumes, wig and makeup aka cheap cosplay then yes, Enigma is a mistake. 

[Didymus 34,380]

6 minutes ago, adammonroe said:

aka cheap cosplay

You went there sis

Agreed though

[monketsharona 84,178]

I don't understand the negativity about next album on GGD to be honest , especially she has said herself she doesn't want to talk about it because she wants it to be a surprise. That doesn't mean she has nothing planned.

Stop under estimestimate her like this, she's Lady Gaga and she'll give you that album. Just be patient and wait few months.

 

[DonnieDarko 10,186]

Mistake to whom? This is vital to the discussion here. It's not a mistake to her - she's getting the coins, she's doing what she loves, she's having the perfect schedule, she's remaining in the spotlight and keeping her name out there as a musician and a performer as well as an actress. She's basically on top of the world now. I wouldn't worry about a group of fans - that she's not relying on in terms of current success anymore as she is much bigger than that - she's definitely making all the right moves. Enigma is fun, very Gaga and sure, I would like it to have some new music, but honestly, it's coming either way, so yeah, I'm just as relaxed as our future Oscar winner.

[Cyber Babylon 2,776]

yes

[MaryJaneHolland 77,348]

2 hours ago, GypsyBabe said:

I try to be a Gaga apologist to some extent. I try to remain positive. However, when the rumor of Vegas came out I was one of the first comments melting down (it was my first and only one) because I thought it was a horrible idea. 

I agree with you, I loved the show when I saw it. I loved the energy. The costumes. The plot. The set list. The stage. 

That being said, the thought of her being stuck in Vegas is still kind of sad to me for some reason. I understand that we are in between solo eras and it is a great way to keep her performing. It is also great for those of us who get to travel to see her and the fact that she is there for such a long time gives other fans a chance to save up and not miss out. It is also great for her health wise.

I think it makes me sad because I feel like this may be it. Like we all know Gaga and she did a major chunk of a tour with a hip that had giant tears and holes in it. She has almost passed out from altitude sickness and been so sick that she is puking in the wings, but she still performed because she loves it. This fibromyalgia thing is darker then all of those and I think she is in more excruciating pain than we realize because she cancelled JWT two times because of it. I think its hard to grasp that she may never tour the world again. That’s a reality and I think why Vegas feels so...uneasy...like a mistake. 

But I don’t think its a mistake for her. I think the show will greatly evolve as she releases LG6, which is exciting. But I do feel like Vegas will be the LG6 tour. 

All of this!

[MrDarkGa 311]

Her world tours last about a year or just over a year usually and Enigma is two years at the least (I've seen posts here saying it could be 3) so my biggest worry is that its just gonna get boring. Sure, its a sell out right now but can we honestly say that we can see it still being a sell out this time next year? I mean same story every show for 2 years...? I know its a Greatest Hits show as that is what Vegas Residencies are but she has lowkey already all of this with the JWT which imo was a far far better show in terms of stage, setlist, costume and visual effects. The overall vibe made it my favourite tour yet.

[PunkTheFunk 124,530]

Since when is getting $100 million doing a couple of shows a week without having to travel and having free time to pursue other ventures a mistake?

[The Fame 4,192]

Don't forget that she just had to cancel a major portion of the JWT due to her chronic pain. Having a residency gives her a chance to get back into the swing of things and experiment with what her body can manage to do for her next album tour without traveling around week after week for months. Note how many of her songs are now performed either sitting on something, being in a basket, or being carried around. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

7 hours ago, Didymus said:

Nope, she's a musician.

Ever since C2C it's almost like she wants us to forget about it. She's a writer. That's why she got her Rilke tattoo. Like, why are so many of you acting like this is normal business? She doesn't have to perform if it hurts her body so much. Why not just write and release music and some interesting video concepts? Do some special performances?

It's all been very unambitious imo from 2014 onwards. She works with co-writers more and more and seems to choose projects that distract from her lack of artistic development (as a music artist anyway). Joanne was pleasant but to see her choose for the "I'm holding a guitar and singing country, this is the real me!" safe route was disappointing and almost shockingly standard. This "lemme just sing all of my old songs and put something I've already said countless times in interviews over the years in a theatrical format" Enigma show is another example.

EIther she simply stopped caring or never cared that much about writing music. Or she doesn't care much about releasing it anymore, that's also a possibility (in line with some of her early 2014 comments about the music industry).

Musician, singer,performer, film actress, future stage actress, whatever she wants. 

She obviously cares about writing and creating music still, every musicial project she’s heavily involved in that part of the process. 

You have chosen to focus on one aspect of what she does, and you have also decided to define “creativity” and “artistic development” in such a way that you can use it to argue about her commitment and work ethic.  Many people here seem to be unable to simply say they don’t like Gaga’s direction without simultaneously needing to disparage Gaga’s work ethic or creative impulse.   Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make her lazy. 

Vegas May be as simple as letting her work while having time to start a family and take a more relaxed schedule for a little while.  A working “break.”  Relaxed schedule doesn’t mean lazy though.

but this narrative of “I don’t like Gaga’s direction so she is lazy and un creative” really needs to stop.

 

 

[Didymus 34,380]

1 hour ago, giskardsb said:

Musician, singer,performer, film actress, future stage actress, whatever she wants. 

She obviously cares about writing and creating music still, every musicial project she’s heavily involved in that part of the process. 

You have chosen to focus on one aspect of what she does, and you have also decided to define “creativity” and “artistic development” in such a way that you can use it to argue about her commitment and work ethic.  Many people here seem to be unable to simply say they don’t like Gaga’s direction without simultaneously needing to disparage Gaga’s work ethic or creative impulse.   Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make her lazy. 

Vegas May be as simple as letting her work while having time to start a family and take a more relaxed schedule for a little while.  A working “break.”  Relaxed schedule doesn’t mean lazy though.

but this narrative of “I don’t like Gaga’s direction so she is lazy and un creative” really needs to stop.

Well, in all fairness, I didn’t mean to imply that she was lazy, obviously this show is gonna require a ton of dedication. I was talking only about artistic development, having something to say creatively, and to me that’s not necessarily related to a lack of input. Quite the contrary, I think Gaga has been remarkably active and hard working since 2014 despite the (imo) drop in artistic quality  

I get where you’re coming from though and I respect your pov. I just think there hás been a significant move away from her ‘writer self’ and one towards propped up side projects that may be very valuable to her, but that don’t add (imo) to her artistic legacy, maybe as a singer and an actress yes, but not as a WRITER and I just wrote what I wrote as a reminder of that she used to present herself as such and her tattoo, to illustrate the fact that there has been (imo) a significant paradigm shift in her career approach.

[CannaeDrive 3,412]

The brains contortions or simply the shallowness (costumes? wigs? really ) to find some pretext to be negative about this residency is something else.

[Perfect Celebrity 1,566]

We could’ve just had another year long blackout? She spent months working on a greatest hits show to keep y’all satisfied while she works on her side projects and rests, but you guys still have to complain about it. 

[giskardsb 12,565]

48 minutes ago, Didymus said:

Well, in all fairness, I didn’t mean to imply that she was lazy, obviously this show is gonna require a ton of dedication. I was talking only about artistic development, having something to say creatively, and to me that’s not necessarily related to a lack of input. Quite the contrary, I think Gaga has been remarkably active and hard working since 2014 despite the (imo) drop in artistic quality  

I get where you’re coming from though and I respect your pov. I just think there hás been a significant move away from her ‘writer self’ and one towards propped up side projects that may be very valuable to her, but that don’t add (imo) to her artistic legacy, maybe as a singer and an actress yes, but not as a WRITER and I just wrote what I wrote as a reminder of that she used to present herself as such and her tattoo, to illustrate the fact that there has been (imo) a significant paradigm shift in her career approach.

I guess I took your choice of "unambitious" to equate to lazy, which is not entirely a good equality so sorry about that.  Must have been triggered by too many fans who have actually used the word "lazy" in the past....

However, I would argue in fact that Joanne does show increased maturity and ability as a songwriter.   She started improving actually during ARTPOP, during the BTW and pre phase her lyrics, while having a surreal quality that I liked, also were often clunky and with bad flow and forced metaphors.   Joanne is much improved from that standpoint, where she can tell stories in the lyrics without it seeming as forced.  My suspicion is that she is writing with known songwriters as a form of mentorship to increase her ability to write.   Maybe her lyrics are not as edgy or with some of the word play she used to use, but I think it's unfair that just because she is writing about personal experiences in a more natural way that she is somehow less of an artist as a songwriter.   To claim such a thing basically discounts songwriters like Carol King, Billy Joel, Jackson Browne, James Taylor, and many others as being uncreative because they didn't stray far musically from their base.  Note I'm not saying Gaga is at the level of those people yet, but she has the capability to get there IMO.

Maybe her creativity isn't as overt as previous, but it doesn't actually make it worse.  "safe" doesn't always mean uncreative.   I get that many people prefer the edgier version of Gaga, I do to in many ways.  But I'll take slice of life songs from her like Diamond Heart, Grigio Girls, Joanne.  I don't see those songs as less creative than anything else in her catalog.   And lets be real, she's never been Bjork lol.