Who Died and Made Ellen The Gay Pope?

[ItsTommyBitch 12,640]

I think her team just didn't do enough research tbh, it wasn't malicious on her end, though the assuming everyone must just be a hater/troll instead of people with legitimate concerns part is a bit dismissive for my tastes and problematic/showing a lack of scope in perspective.

 

[KingRedd 3,139]

Ever since 2016 it’s hard for people live. Bad things happen, bad things can be said. Why is it not okay for someone to mature and grow up from how they used to be? I’m so confused as to why people are being “cancelled” because of past characteristics? And even more I’m confused as to why Ellen is all of a sudden a villain because she chose to forgive him? Why does everyone have to be on a hate bandwagon it’s very disgusting. Humans can’t even grow and mature anymore without hate and disturbance. Social media really has changed humans for the worse. It’s very sad to see. 

[DiscoHeaven23 35,007]

13 hours ago, sampool said:

The people chose her, she arguable the most iconic and loved gay icon today. WP is salty that a simple tweet from her is most influential then 1000s articles from them.

 

 

The Washington Post is publication that helped take down Nixon after talking to Deep Throat, sooo 

 

[DiscoHeaven23 35,007]

11 hours ago, RAMROD said:

 She is not a gay man which was the target of Hart's words. 

 

I like this point too, because there are soooo many men out there who are okay with lesbians and not gay men. So it really isn't Ellen's place

[sampool 5,560]

1 minute ago, DiscoHeaven23 said:

 

 

The Washington Post is publication that helped take down Nixon after talking to Deep Throat, sooo 

 

And when was that, 40 years ago? welcome to 2019 where YouTubers has more influence than a publication with thousands of employees; let alone a well loved and famous public figure like Ellen. 

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1 minute ago, sampool said:

And when was that, 40 years ago? welcome to 2019 where YouTubers has more influence than a publication with thousands of employees; let alone a well loved and famous public figure like Ellen. 

It doesn't matter how long it was. This publication made a major change in US, political wise and beyond. Things will be a whole lot different without it. You talking like it is some viral stuffs, and make the light of the happening, ridiculous.  

[REALITY 77,305]

13 hours ago, Adakam said:

One question to those defending him...

If Kevin Hart should be forgiven because he said these words 10 years ago and might have grown up and changed now. Should we forgive Trump for the "grab them by the ***" remark that he said in 2005 and clarified that it was just locker room talk?

No, because Trump's shown that he hasn't changed. 

When I am defending Kevin Hart, I am defending the fact that he has changed and grown from that experience. Trump was crude back then and he's crude now. I am not defending what he said, but I am defending the fact that those tweets aren't representative of who he is today.

[Eggsy 8,280]

14 hours ago, theahsfan said:

Why can’t people just forgive and move on? 

because since 2018 Pressed is the new thing. 

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23 hours ago, ARealWildMan said:

The problem is, especially with America, we very easily fall back into racial groups again. I don't think it's time to talk about the 'white LGBT average' or the 'POC LGBT average', in a time where we're more divided than ever I think it's important to discuss the 'LGBT average'.

Ellen is just as qualified to talk on this issue as Gaga, Patrick-Harris or any other LGBT celebrity, race doesn't matter, homophobia is homophobia. 

no. ellen is a privileged rich white woman. gay black men are far more stigmatized than white gay men or straight black men and there's heaps of sociological studies to back that up. white lesbians are less stigmatized than either, especially someone with the status and wealth like ellen. hart's comments advocated for and made light of homophobic physical and emotional abuse on multiple occasions, which is an extremely prevalent issue disproportionately affecting young lgbt men in black households. she had absolutely zero zero zero right to give him this platform to absolve himself and it's even weirder that she went to the academy to advocate for him. he has continually, cynically danced around an apology because he hasn't learned a thing besides keeping his homophobia to himself to protect his career. 

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7 hours ago, ItsTommyBitch said:

I think her team just didn't do enough research tbh, it wasn't malicious on her end, though the assuming everyone must just be a hater/troll instead of people with legitimate concerns part is a bit dismissive for my tastes and problematic/showing a lack of scope in perspective.

nah. this was all her. she went to the academy to convince them to take him back. she's merely a selfish, out of touch capitalist with a god complex looking out for her rich friend.

[Borislshere 53,085]

Y'all jumped on me for not forgiving Gaga for working with R. Kelly but aren't forgiving this man for 10 year old tweets? 

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5 hours ago, M Monstre said:

No, because Trump's shown that he hasn't changed. 

When I am defending Kevin Hart, I am defending the fact that he has changed and grown from that experience. Trump was crude back then and he's crude now. I am not defending what he said, but I am defending the fact that those tweets aren't representative of who he is today.

But how do you know hes changed? By 2015 he said he regretted the joke but that it was indeed one of his insecurities, that he would question his performance as a father if his son turned out gay.

All Im saying is that theres a thin line between apologizing from the heart and apologizing to avoid more backlash. 

[Othon 33,458]

1 hour ago, Borislshere said:

Y'all jumped on me for not forgiving Gaga for working with R. Kelly but aren't forgiving this man for 10 year old tweets? 

We shouldn't forgive either of them. What Gaga did was baffling and disgusting and she shouldn't be forgiven until she addresses it. 

With Hart, they're not just ten year old tweets (where he called people homophobic and transphobic slurs, by the way, so they shouldn't be downplayed like they're innocuous). He did standup for years claiming that he would physically abuse his son if he even seemed effeminate because he was terrified of his son being gay, all presented as if that notion was somehow inherently funny. He only stopped telling these jokes, in his own words, because people are "too sensitive" now. He never indicated that he found "jokes" about how he wanted to abuse his son for being gay to be wrong. He stopped telling them because he didn't want to be criticized for them, by his own admission.

Now, he's trying to pretend that he's a victim after refusing to apologize after the tweets resurfaced (until he had already quit and put out some canned, half-assed apology that was clearly written by a manager). He's claiming that queer people combed through 40,000 tweets to find those offensive ones, painting them as lunatics out to sabotage his career for no reason, when they literally just used the Twitter search function which takes a few seconds. People are angry at Ellen for backing that nonsense take up, claiming that the people within her own community who rightfully criticized him are just "haters" and tried to get him reinstated on her own, essentially pushing the idea that because she's gay she can forgive him on behalf of the entire community. It's all transparent, orchestrated BS. 

Don Lemon was right in his response. Kevin Hart is just trying to weasel his way out of this controversy unscathed by painting his critics as trolls trying to ruin his career while making no legitimate attempt to demonstrate that he feels any differently about gay and trans people, especially black gay and trans people given who several of his jokes were directed towards.

I didn't intend to write this much, but I genuinely think you have the wrong take on this. We can hold both artists accountable.