115 Years Max Human Life Span

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Just now, Unbeweavable said:

Well fairly good health, I'm 23 but I smoke, drink and all sorts so I'm kinda taking the piss  Healthcare these days is more and more exceptional though, especially here (England) but yeah 

It's funny but the oldest woman to ever live (Jeanne Calmente) who lived to 122 smoked until 117 I think it was. 

 

She said she only quit because she was getting blind and wasn't comfortable always asking people to light the cigarette for her

 

Mind u she didn't smoke a tone I think it was 2 cigarettes a day

[Purrrrrr 18,390]

3 minutes ago, Economy said:

It's funny but the oldest woman to ever live (Jeanne Calmente) who lived to 122 smoked until 117 I think it was. 

 

She said she only quit because she was getting blind and wasn't comfortable always asking people to light the cigarette for her

 

Mind u she didn't smoke a tone I think it was 2 cigarettes a day

I thought so! I heard that before but never researched enough to back it up  I smoke like 8 a day though so i hope i can repeat that quote when I'm 122  

[PunkTheFunk 125,733]

I would rather die at 75 and be in realtively good health than live to 100 and be confined to a bed.

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6 minutes ago, Unbeweavable said:

I thought so! I heard that before but never researched enough to back it up  I smoke like 8 a day though so i hope i can repeat that quote when I'm 122  

I think she was just lucky to not be genetically predisposed to any of the illnesses common to smokers

 

When ur genetically predisposed to a health issue, any strain on that organ can trigger the health problem. Like if u have a weak liver, a bit too much drinking could trigger liver problems

 

But when ur not predisposed to something let's say diabetes for example, you eat sugar all your life and abuse it and nothing happens

 

I think when people smoke and don't get lung cancer or other breathing problems, or when they don't exercise but never get heart desiese it's because their genes just weren't predisposed to that

 

Maybe Jeanne Calmente didn't have a genetic predisposition to any health issues caused by smoking so it did nothing. But maybe if she was a drinker or someone who ate too much sugar she could of developed health issues and died earlier. It doesn't mean she was resilient to everything

 

In her case smoking didn't affect her lifespan. For you it could

 

But most ppls genes and bodies are not that resilient so... Maybe u should think of quitting

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6 minutes ago, PunkTheFunk said:

I would rather die at 75 and be in realtively good health than live to 100 and be confined to a bed.

But if u die at 75 u probably didn't have the best of health to begin with tho

[Woolfsmck 2,763]

Statistically speaking … sure ..  

Question tho …. when did the stat's start to compile this type of info....???

Humans are about 30k years on earth...granted the earliest humans had much more difficult survival challenges and most certainly didn't have the life span …  

China is a much older nation the most … are the statistics inclusive since much of the Chinese history points out that the quest for longer life has been the goal of their top scientists since before the west had scientists... and some old Chinese doods got seriously old.  

[Meruk Holland 2,400]

Telomeres are an interesting area of study when it comes to DNA. 

It's important to note that if we can create a method to lengthen human telomeres, most the negative aspects of aging, from wrinkles to muscular deterioration to mental deterioration, are delayed just as much as the limit on natural age is. So those of you saying "well I don't want to be so old I can't do things anymore," that's not an issue. You'd be adding on years that you're able to do stuff, not years where you can't do anything. 

We know that there is a mechanism in embryonic stem cells that lengthen telomeres, otherwise each generation would die younger and younger. There is a riboprotein called telomerase that is responsible for the creation of telomeres. Its highly active in embryonic stem cells, selectively active in hematopoietic stem cells (they create blood cells), and have little to not activity in other adult stem cells. This means that embryonic stem cells are, biologically, immortal; and other types of cells are mortal.

Cancer cells are also immortal, it would seem. The shortening of telomeres is what's responsible for activating apoptosis, or programmed cell death. A mutation in telomerase, or whatever mechanism (also turns out there's more than just telomerase to lengthen telomeres, but its not very well studied yet and gets very technical), cause cancer cells to lengthen their telomeres, and as a result, avoid apoptosis. While this implies there are certain dangers to look for when it comes to lengthening telomeres, it could also indicate that cancer cells have found a way to reactivate whatever mechanism is necessary to achieve biologically immortality.

[Andreu 37,216]

2 hours ago, Shipper said:

Society cannot sustain so many old people living

This and i Don't see why would I love almost a century from now

[PunkTheFunk 125,733]

6 hours ago, Economy said:

But if u die at 75 u probably didn't have the best of health to begin with tho

Good health meaning I'm not confined to a hospital bed or taking 12 medications or using a walker and an oxygen tank to get around. I can get hit by a sudden heart attack or die in my sleep. 

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7 minutes ago, PunkTheFunk said:

Good health meaning I'm not confined to a hospital bed or taking 12 medications or using a walker and an oxygen tank to get around. I can get hit by a sudden heart attack or die in my sleep. 

I get what ur saying.... I'm just saying usually ppl who die at 75 are not healthy ppl to begin with. If your heart stops in your sleep when your only 75 then ur circulatory system has to of had issues and a weak heart would be affecting ur energy

 

I'd prefer to be in good shape into my mid to late 80s and then just deteriorate in the very end and die in my sleep but not in my mid 70s

 

That's also not long enough to enjoy retirement or see grandkids grow up (unless you have them early)

 

There's also people who live in good shape into their 90s until close to death and in same cases even until 100 if they have good genetics and took good care of themselves

 

Not everyone has genetics that allow that but I'm saying if u do why not live longer?

 

Also resistance training (weight lifting) combined with good diet having enough calcium, vitamin D, Magnesium, Phosphorus, Vitamin K and every other mineral that's good for your bones keeps bone density longer allowing you to walk around at much later ages

 

Cardio is good for heart health but it's also good to have some resistance training too because new research has shown just how beneficial it is to maintain strength as you age (food too because your bones can't maintain those gains from weights if it doesn't get the minerals it needs to build new bone)

 

I'm obsessed with strength and bone density and workout good. I plan to live to at least 85 NOT walking with a cane

 

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6 hours ago, Meruk Holland said:

Telomeres are an interesting area of study when it comes to DNA. 

It's important to note that if we can create a method to lengthen human telomeres, most the negative aspects of aging, from wrinkles to muscular deterioration to mental deterioration, are delayed just as much as the limit on natural age is. So those of you saying "well I don't want to be so old I can't do things anymore," that's not an issue. You'd be adding on years that you're able to do stuff, not years where you can't do anything. 

We know that there is a mechanism in embryonic stem cells that lengthen telomeres, otherwise each generation would die younger and younger. There is a riboprotein called telomerase that is responsible for the creation of telomeres. Its highly active in embryonic stem cells, selectively active in hematopoietic stem cells (they create blood cells), and have little to not activity in other adult stem cells. This means that embryonic stem cells are, biologically, immortal; and other types of cells are mortal.

Cancer cells are also immortal, it would seem. The shortening of telomeres is what's responsible for activating apoptosis, or programmed cell death. A mutation in telomerase, or whatever mechanism (also turns out there's more than just telomerase to lengthen telomeres, but its not very well studied yet and gets very technical), cause cancer cells to lengthen their telomeres, and as a result, avoid apoptosis. While this implies there are certain dangers to look for when it comes to lengthening telomeres, it could also indicate that cancer cells have found a way to reactivate whatever mechanism is necessary to achieve biologically immortality.

 

5 hours ago, Andreu said:

This and i Don't see why would I love almost a century from now

@Meruk Holland is right. Delaying aging would also delay aging symptoms too not just how long you live

 

Also people who live extraordinarily long years (past 100) in general are the same type of people who have good health longer than normal. Someone who's already in a wheel chair at 80 and has low energy is unlikely to make it to 100 in the first place (unless all their issues are in bones and muscles and their heart health and vital organs health is great which can happen and in those cases yes someone could be in bad shape by 80 and still live to 100 but such cases are rare and in general don't happen)

 

Since bad health tends to happen later in these ppl, and since bad health would also be postponed if we slowed aging, society could handle these older people by simply raising retirement age to compensate

 

I do not know why everyone assumes living longer means you have to be I'll longer. These ppl who live to 100 live in better health until a later age than the average person most of the time. It evens out

 

Yes the last few years can be brutal but if u die at 75 you probably had bad health to begin with and already weren't enjoying your health to full. If with today's modern medicine you die at 75 then it's probably cuz your health is trash (unless it's an accident)

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6 hours ago, Woolfsmck said:

Statistically speaking … sure ..  

Question tho …. when did the stat's start to compile this type of info....???

Humans are about 30k years on earth...granted the earliest humans had much more difficult survival challenges and most certainly didn't have the life span …  

China is a much older nation the most … are the statistics inclusive since much of the Chinese history points out that the quest for longer life has been the goal of their top scientists since before the west had scientists... and some old Chinese doods got seriously old.  

Well life expectancy hasn't changed the way that's commonly believed among the general public. There's a lot of myths about how much longer people are actually living

 

In the past infant and child mortality was high because during those sensitive years when stuff goes wrong they couldn't do much about it. Premature deaths brought life expectancy averages way down. But it doesn't mean the typical person in the 1920s was actually dying at only 60 years old (same applies going way back hundreds or thousands of years)

 

The life expectancy we usually talk about is at birth. But the older you get, life expectancy actually rises because it means you made it thru portions of your life already where an accident or sudden medical emergency could of killed you and it didn't

 

If your 81 and life expectancy in a Nation is 82, the chances I'll specifically die within 1 year are not that high (unless your seriously ill) your life expectancy might be 86 at that point even tho at birth it's 82, and when you get to 86 life expectancy could be 89, then 92, then 94, and so on

 

Truth is that if you made it into adult hood and survived the years with most mortality (childhood) your life expectancy surged.

 

Many people still lived to 70s and 80s if you go back 100 years. It wasn't as rare as people think, it's just that fewer people did make it there and premature deaths brought the average down as well

 

What's happening now is way more people make it to the oldest ages (past 110) but hardly anyone passes 115 despite there being way more people now past 110 who are given a shot at doing so

 

Suggests an upper limit