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LGMonster95
25 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

I mean it does get blurry with the addition of SPS since 2016 but she sure must have surpassed 33M.

The Fame (Monster) - 15,000,000 - 17,000,000
The Fame Monster (Solo EP sales that were certified seperately from the Deluxe Edition) - 7,800,000
Born This Way - 7,000,000
ARTPOP - 2,600,000
Cheek to Cheek - 1,200,000
Joanne - 2,400,000 (SPS)
A Star Is Born - 2,600,000 (SPS)

The Remix - 1,000,000
The Monster Ball Tour Special DVD - 250,000
Born This Way: The Remix - 200,000
A Very Gaga Holiday - 45,000
The Cherrytree session - 17,500
The Singles - 9,000

It really depends on how much The Fame (Monster) really sold because I'm seeing the same sales for it since like 2011. Half of Joanne and ASIB's units must be pure sales I guess 

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''In the United States, "Shallow" debuted at number 14 on the Billboard Digital Songs chart, with 12,000 copies sold according to Nielsen SoundScan.[33] The following week, "Shallow" topped the Digital Songs chart selling 58,000 copies (Gaga's sixth chart-topper) and entered at number 28 on the Billboard Hot 100. This placement reflected the song acquiring 8.3 million streams in its opening week.[34] Following the film's release on October 5, 2018, "Shallow" rose to number five on the Hot 100 and topped the Digital Songs chart for a second consecutive week selling 71,000 copies, up 21% from the previous week. ''

 

Shallow was released on a thursday in 27 September (  September 30, 2018 - the finish of the eligibility period for Grammy 2019) .

Interscope sacrificed 9 days of sales and streams for this Grammy ceremony .

12k + 58k(#28 on H100 ) + 71 k(#5 on H100 ASIB debut ) = 141k pure sales ( best case scenario not possible to because the time frame really matters more than hype  !! )  I would 100 k + would have been on lock if the song was released the same week as the movie .Shallow's #5 peak would have been a top 3 if the song was released the same week as the movie or even in 29 September saving 2 days of sales and streams 

EARLY PULSEMUSICBOARDS PREDICTIONS
 

1.Girls Like You322(=)   *4th week at #1

2.Lucid Dreams314(+1)

3.  Better Now           272    (+1)

4.SICKO MODE246(+2)

5.Shallow240(+23)  

6.Youngblood232(+2)

7.Happier229(+6)

8.Drip Too Hard226(+17)

9.FEFE214(+3)

10.Taste201(+5)

 

In the previous week Shallow had 128 points and debuted at #28 LOST SALES / STREAMS IN MY OPINION !!! 

SHALLOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN GAGA'S 4TH #1 IF INTERSCOPE DID THIS: !! 

1.Send SHallow to radio 2 weeks before the song drops to accumulate h100 points 

2.Debut the song the same week as the movie + MV .

3. Discount the song the week of the debut same way NTLTC did .

#1 on lock !! :madge:

 

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ArtGagaPop
6 minutes ago, BawBaw said:

''In the United States, "Shallow" debuted at number 14 on the Billboard Digital Songs chart, with 12,000 copies sold according to Nielsen SoundScan.[33] The following week, "Shallow" topped the Digital Songs chart selling 58,000 copies (Gaga's sixth chart-topper) and entered at number 28 on the Billboard Hot 100. This placement reflected the song acquiring 8.3 million streams in its opening week.[34] Following the film's release on October 5, 2018, "Shallow" rose to number five on the Hot 100 and topped the Digital Songs chart for a second consecutive week selling 71,000 copies, up 21% from the previous week. ''

 

Shallow was released on a thursday in 27 September (  September 30, 2018 - the finish of the eligibility period for Grammy 2019) .

Interscope sacrificed 9 days of sales and streams for this Grammy ceremony .

12k + 58k(#28 on H100 ) + 71 k(#5 on H100 ASIB debut ) = 141k pure sales ( best case scenario not possible to because the time frame really matters more than hype  !! )  I would 100 k + would have been on lock if the song was released the same week as the movie .Shallow's #5 peak would have been a top 3 if the song was released the same week as the movie or even in 29 September saving 2 days of sales and streams 

EARLY PULSEMUSICBOARDS PREDICTIONS
 

1.Girls Like You322(=)   *4th week at #1

2.Lucid Dreams314(+1)

3.  Better Now           272    (+1)

4.SICKO MODE246(+2)

5.Shallow240(+23)  

6.Youngblood232(+2)

7.Happier229(+6)

8.Drip Too Hard226(+17)

9.FEFE214(+3)

10.Taste201(+5)

 

In the previous week Shallow had 128 points and debuted at #28 LOST SALES / STREAMS IN MY OPINION !!! 

SHALLOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN GAGA'S 4TH #1 IF INTERSCOPE DID THIS: !! 

1.Send SHallow to radio 2 weeks before the song drops to accumulate h100 points 

2.Debut the song the same week as the movie + MV .

3. Discount the song the week of the debut same way NTLTC did .

#1 on lock !! :madge:

 

it's coming for #1 after the Oscars so it's fine :huntyga:

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corvus albus
5 minutes ago, ArtGagaPop said:

it's coming for #1 after the Oscars so it's fine :huntyga:

I'm actually quite optimistic. Considering the enormous boost we got from the GG's and if radio doesn't completely fail us we should have a chance at the top 3. #1 is still kinda delulu though :ohwell: 

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Supersonic
7 minutes ago, corvus albus said:

I'm actually quite optimistic. Considering the enormous boost we got from the GG's and if radio doesn't completely fail us we should have a chance at the top 3. #1 is still kinda delulu though :ohwell: 

Girl. Radio is failing us completely already, Shallow barely has 8 million AI anymore on pop radio and is on a swift decline despite winning BIG during the on-going awards season and the Oscar being practically in the bag.

The Grammys and Oscars might give it a cute 1 day boost of +0,250 and that‘s it.

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1 hour ago, Supersonic said:

Grammy and Golden Globe winner and Academy Award-nominated Lady Gaga is a one-of-a kind artist and performer. She has amassed an outstanding 33 million global album sales and 229 million in song consumption, making her one of the best-selling musicians of all time.

Not Gaga's own team lowballing her own album sales by almost 7 million.

Those are pure sales and are correct 

That # for song consumption is overestimated by a lot !! :awkney:

45 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

I mean it does get blurry with the addition of SPS since 2016 but she sure must have surpassed 33M.

The Fame (Monster) - 15,000,000 - 17,000,000
The Fame Monster (Solo EP sales that were certified seperately from the Deluxe Edition) - 7,800,000
Born This Way - 7,000,000
ARTPOP - 2,600,000 
Cheek to Cheek - 1,200,000
Joanne - 2,400,000 (SPS)
A Star Is Born - 2,600,000 (SPS)


The Remix - 1,000,000
The Monster Ball Tour Special DVD - 250,000
Born This Way: The Remix - 200,000
A Very Gaga Holiday - 45,000
The Cherrytree session - 17,500
The Singles - 9,000

You either use SPS or Pure sales not a combination of those because the final # is not saying anything accurate then .

Nobody really knows the sales of TFM ep + It was released separately in some countries like US where it sold 1,8 mil until only the repackaged TFM Deluxe was available 

30 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

They've been proven to be very off, Nielsen reported just days ago that Femme Fatale by Britney had sold 803k copies in the USA, yet they had put the album at like 820k LAST YEAR already. Also they completely leave out the solo sales of the TFM EP (and don't include them in the US estimation of The Fame). Just like every stat site, they're heavily influenced by personal bias.

TFM sales are included into TF actually .... 

https://chartmasters.org/2018/03/cspc-lady-gaga-popularity-analysis-2/4/

The Fame / The Fame Monster (2008)

America

US – 4,900,000

World – 15,820,000

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2 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

Girl. Radio is failing us completely already, Shallow barely has 8 million AI anymore on pop radio and is on a swift decline despite winning BIG during the on-going awards season and the Oscar being practically in the bag.

The Grammys and Oscars might give it a cute 1 day boost of +0,250 and that‘s it.

The second single should have been out by now, but it looks like it wont happen.

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Doncho

Imagine if Gaga ever does a song for a Disney movie. LOT of promo + a WW HIT + good award season campaign + a Best Original Song nomination for sure :giveup:

I know Shallow already has all of that, but being in a Disney movie would be HUGE

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Supersonic
11 minutes ago, BawBaw said:

Those are pure sales and are correct 

That # for song consumption is overestimated by a lot !! :awkney:

You either use SPS or Pure sales not a combination of those because the final # is not saying anything accurate then .

Nobody really knows the sales of TFM ep + It was released separately in some countries like US where it sold 1,8 mil until only the repackaged TFM Deluxe was available 

TFM sales are included into TF actually .... 

https://chartmasters.org/2018/03/cspc-lady-gaga-popularity-analysis-2/4/

The Fame / The Fame Monster (2008)

America

US – 4,900,000

World – 15,820,000

You literally don't get it.

The Fame Monster was certified seperately from The Fame in certain territories. Meaning that sales certified as "The Fame" in the territory include "The Fame" and the "The Fame Monster (Deluxe Edition)" since the TFM Deluxe consists of more than 50% of The Fame's tracks.

The 4,900,000 are The Fame and the TFM (Deluxe) only, the TFM EP has sold 1,600,000 independantly in the USA and got certified Platinum seperately. If it was inclusive, the total should have been up to 6,500,000 pure.

Similarly, The Fame and The Fame Monster both got certified 3x Platinum by the IFPI in Europe, meaning that The Fame has sold 3,000,000 across the continent and that TFM has sold 3,000,000 across the continent in addition.

If everything was combined, they would have never certified the EP on its own. That is not reflected on chartmasters, meaning this alone is 4,600,000 pure albums sales just MISSING. Also the IFPI announced that TFM as an EP moved 7,800,000 units in 2010 alone worldwide.

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corvus albus
11 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

Girl. Radio is failing us completely already, Shallow barely has 8 million AI anymore on pop radio and is on a swift decline despite winning BIG during the on-going awards season and the Oscar being practically in the bag.

The Grammys and Oscars might give it a cute 1 day boost of +0,250 and that‘s it.

What i don't want is 1 or 2M AI declines. As long as we're holding with our -0.500 declines we can make up for this weakness but not if radio pushes Shallow out into the indefinite abyss. 

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corvus albus
2 minutes ago, Doncho said:

Imagine if Gaga ever does a song for a Disney movie. LOT of promo + a WW HIT + good award season campaign + a Best Original Song nomination for sure :giveup:

I know Shallow already has all of that, but being in a Disney movie would be HUGE

Gaga for Frozen 2 :vegas:

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