Lady Gaga's Career More Like Cher Than Madonna

[Guillaume Hamon 6,517]

40 minutes ago, AJRocketMan said:

Vogue is more iconic than Bad Romance and was actually a new sound for it’s time unlike Bad Romance.

Vogue was recycling disco, Philadelphia Soul in a House music track that included a spoken/ rap part.

It wasn't new.

[RenegAde 19,289]

Gaga and Madonna are compared because they are the only ones worthy of the title queen of pop and that's not to take anything away from other artist 

[ChaosAngel17 516]

1 hour ago, AJRocketMan said:

Not even close. Madonna has Vogue, Like A Prayer, Holiday, Like A Virgin, Papa Don’t Preach, Take A Bow, Ray of Light, Music, and Hung Up to list as some of her biggest, most culturally impactful, and memorable hit songs. Vogue is more iconic than Bad Romance and was actually a new sound for it’s time unlike Bad Romance. Hell, even Holiday was more revolutionary for it’s time (in terms of sound/production).

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[AJRocketMan 2,684]

4 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

Vogue was recycling disco, Philadelphia Soul in a House music track that included a spoken/ rap part.

It wasn't new.

Vogue used the Korg M1 synthesizer (the first pop song to use it), which was released in 1988. It set the stage for the early ‘90s sound. It also used the Roland 909 drum machine, which wasn’t new but was barely used. There are countless early ‘90s house songs that sound like Vogue, even if they don’t have the same composition and may have more electronic elements.

2 minutes ago, ChaosAngel17 said:

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I’ll do whatever I want to with my account, thanks. I have far more to contribute to this site intellectually than you probably do.

[Musicisfreedom 5,837]

1 hour ago, Flopplause said:

Sorry says hello

not really tho, but it's a full bop

The first Madonna song That really got me into her  like seriously on of the best pop songs ever

[Guillaume Hamon 6,517]

3 minutes ago, AJRocketMan said:

There are countless early ‘90s house songs that sound like Vogue, even if they don’t have the same composition and may have more electronic elements.

That's interesting, may I ask the names of these?

[janetjackson 249]

1 hour ago, AJRocketMan said:

Not even close. Madonna has Vogue, Like A Prayer, Holiday, Like A Virgin, Papa Don’t Preach, Take A Bow, Ray of Light, Music, and Hung Up to list as some of her biggest, most culturally impactful, and memorable hit songs. Vogue is more iconic than Bad Romance and was actually a new sound for it’s time unlike Bad Romance. Hell, even Holiday was more revolutionary for it’s time (in terms of sound/production).

Someone born in 1995 telling us how music was perceived “new” and “revolutionary” in the 80s and 90s. 

I’m not comparing the two ladies, both have had monstrous careers, but Bad Romance is one of the most bizarre, innovative and out there songs of all time. None of the songs you sited in Madonna’s catalog were more groundbreaking sonically at the time of release.

[janetjackson 249]

17 minutes ago, Guillaume Hamon said:

That's interesting, may I ask the names of these?

Vogue was quite literally built off a remix of Janet Jackson's “Miss You Much” that was released a year prior.

The remixer, Shep Pettibone, used the very same track to compose “Vogue.”

That “Vogue” sound had been around since at least ‘87 ‘88. Which was, again, built off the baseline in another Janet Jackson hit, “What Have You Done For Me Lately.” Music is a continuous evolution.

While there are some tracks in Madonna’s catalog that were very ahead of its time (“Justify My Love”, “Hung Up”) this is definitely not one of them. She simply introduced a sound that was thriving in dance clubs around the world to the top 40 masses and did so with the help of a well shot video. 

[Guillaume Hamon 6,517]

14 hours ago, janetjackson said:

Vogue was quite literally built off a remix of Janet Jackson's “Miss You Much” that was released a year prior.

The remixer, Shep Pettibone, used the very same track to compose “Vogue.”

That “Vogue” sound had been around since at least ‘87 ‘88. Which was, again, built off the baseline in another Janet Jackson hit, “What Have You Done For Me Lately.” Music is a continuous evolution.

While there are some tracks in Madonna’s catalog that were very ahead of its time (“Justify My Love”, “Hung Up”) this is definitely not one of them. She simply introduced a sound that was thriving in dance clubs around the world to the top 40 masses and did so with the help of a well shot video. 

Thanks for the info!

Yeah clearly madonna didn't bring something new indeed.

[boyerased 2,886]

In my humble opinion I think she'll exceed what Cher is now. She won't be Madonna either but something on her own. She'll probably have more remembered songs than Cher but not as much as Madonna's. If she plays her cards right she could've a more respected acting career than both.

I don't see her career trajectory to be like Cher's. I think she'll still release landmark albums. What I mean by that is that they're not an afterthought. She'll still act but probably not as much as we think she will. She will be selective, hopefully.

I'm just happy that Gaga escaped being just a pop star. Like those two ladies she's considered a rockstar. Someone that transcends their works.

[Ziggy 11,868]

16 hours ago, AJRocketMan said:

Not even close. Madonna has Vogue, Like A Prayer, Holiday, Like A Virgin, Papa Don’t Preach, Take A Bow, Ray of Light, Music, and Hung Up to list as some of her biggest, most culturally impactful, and memorable hit songs. Vogue is more iconic than Bad Romance and was actually a new sound for it’s time unlike Bad Romance. Hell, even Holiday was more revolutionary for it’s time (in terms of sound/production).

I think you need to hit the snooze on Hung Up purely because it wasn’t exactly revolutionary. It very tightly relied on that ABBA sample. Still a great song that holds well, but I would never give Madonna credit for why it holds up so well, ya know? Melodically, I think the song is nothing too out of the ordinary for Madonna but what makes it stand out is that amazing sample.

On 10/10/2018 at 1:19 PM, brucee said:

Has anyone ever considered Bowie's career ??? 

She used pop the way he used rock and slowly strip down her alien persona... Well Well Well. I've always cringe so hard on the Madonna stuff. 

Yeah but Bowie was kind of always doing more alt work than Gaga and real, honest to god experimentation with his work. I think Gaga experiments but not to the point that Bowie did where it really changed the conversation; she tends to still pretty firmly remain in pop music where I think Bowie flexed a bit more into the genres he experimented with. I think if we see her start to really pursue that avenue of experimentation and musical curiosity than absolutely, but as is it stands, her experimentation tends to boil down still to the core pop elements of her musicianship.

[Mr S 8,673]

DIdn't read the whole thread but yes it kind of looks like it's trending more like Cher than Madonna. IMO that's not a good thing. Cher is a huge celebrity and icon but Madonna is something more. Madonna is a true artist with a real vision. Cher is more of an entertainer/performer. Not a bad thing, but I prefer LG to follow the Madonna direction more. There's a reason why Cher doesn't have a classic album.

[doppelganger 3,933]

I dunno. I think Gaga's career trajectory is eerily similar to Madonna. I would compare Madonna vs Gaga to Modern vs Postmodern. Madonna always looks forward, while Gaga always looked back (and deconstructs)

[Nemo 4,293]

On 10/10/2018 at 1:48 PM, Economy said:

Media loves to compare Gaga and Madonna but Madonna's success has always been purely music and any time she tried to branch out into film it was just flopness

Except... Madonna's very first* movie, Desperately Seeking Susan, was a smash hit, especially by its relatively low-budget standards. Madonna played the title character, but not the star -- but, she undeniably burned up the screen in her scenes. If you look really closely, the acting may be questionable; but her presence is phenomenal, and that's what they kept trying to recapture -- that's why her movie career was so hard to kill.

And then, she won a Golden Globe for Evita. It was controversial, but she did. (Gaga's GG for AHS was controversial, too.)

* Yeah, I know about A Certain Sacrifice.

[zakariah 11,721]

Yup, yup, completely agree, Cher definitely has more respect among her industry peers than Madonna, and I think that's what Gaga's going for too

Respect goes a long way in the entertainment industry tbh