PewDiePie Jokes About Demi

[Dayum 240]

11 hours ago, iCpro said:

There’s a reason why in a court of law, people can be found not guilty on account of insanity. It’s because when someone has a serious mental illness, they’re unable to process situations the same way that everyone else does, and they often do not have the capacity to control their actions. Their emotions and urges do not function in the way that they’re meant to, and for this reason it is unfair to punish them because they are not at fault for their mental illness.

Addiction is a mental disorder. That is a fact. If someone becomes addicted to drugs, it is overwhelmingly likely to be because they are genetically predisposed to addiction, or it could be combined with other mental illnesses such as depression that can mean that they view the world through a different lense.  For that reason  yes we should be defending Demi, because she is someone battling mental illness, and we should be giving her support and letting her know that she is loved. The alternative is that we make fun of her and shun her, like you’re condoning. 

What do you think that will do to her? How would she feel, not only having to battle her addiction, but doing feeling alone and feeling like the world hates her. What if we treated people with depression the same way? What if we shunned and made fun of people who self harmed, leaving them to fight the battle on their own. You are saying that we should make fun of Demi and her addiction to teach kids to stay away from drugs. Yes, of course we should be helping kids to stay away from drugs. But there is a real person on the other end who you are hurting by making fun of her. She needs our help just as much as the kids do. There are other ways to teach kids to stay away from drugs that don’t involve hurting a suffering drug addict.

 

“If we truly cared about the drug problem we shouldn't simply dismiss overdosing as a mental disorder consequence and move on. That is making light of the situation.”

Calling overdose a result of a mental disorder is not dismissing it or making light of the situation. In fact it is quite the opposite. If we were to say overdose was simply the result of recklessness that would be dismissive because it would be ignoring and rejecting the many biological and social factors that lead to addiction and overdose. 

If anything, calling overdose a result of mental disorder is increasing its severity, because it’s connecting it to an incredibly serious and destructive biological condition. I think you perceive it to be making light of the situation because it’s clear you don’t take mental disorders as seriously as you should. 

Finally, on the topic of the discussion that has risen from the joke; yes you are right that this is an important discussion to have, and we are having it at least in part thanks to pewdiepie’s joke. But you are drawing the wrong conclusions from the joke. He did not post a deepfried 2011 meme in order to start a discussion. He’s not that deep. His audience is predominantly young children, who will most definitely not view the picture and then have a serious discussion with their friends about the dangers of addiction. They will have a laugh at Demi’s expense and move on. And that’s the crux of the issue here, you are laughing at the expense of someone who is suffering, and that is wrong.

Well, even in the court of law, you are not completely absolved because of your mental condition. A person who is found not guilty by reason of insanity is placed in a mental institution until the person is deemed no longer to be a threat to society. On a lower level of seriousness, if a person is guilty but mentally ill, they are sentenced sentenced to mental health treatment, and once treatment is completed, they still need to serve the remainder in prison. This shows that mental illness serves only as a mitigating factor and not completely relieve anyone of their responsibility.

If they view the world through a different lens, making fun of that helps them see that their view is not correct. Showing support and love does the contrary. You are endorsing their view ie you encourage them to maintain their view. If making fun of her makes her feel alone and the world hates her, then it only serves to expose her wrong way of viewing the world. Neither of us are suggesting that she should not get treatment. We all support them getting treatment and coming out as a better person. But, ultimately, each person's battle is their own to fight. You can't come around and say I am not doing better because you are still making fun of me. That is blaming other people from your problem. And if they get help and still can't handle a joke, then they surely they were released prematurely. 

This is the most effective way to teach kids not to do drugs. Why? Because it shows that even a superstar can make mistakes, nobody is perfect, and if you do drugs, you suffer the consequences. These are young impressionable kids. If they see their idol do drugs and overdose, and everyone is saying you cannot comment adversely on them, what does that teach them? It teaches them that if you overdose, you are a victim of your addiction and you are invincible against society judgement; on the contrary, the person who comments invites judgement from all corners of society. You're teaching kids to keep quiet, keep your opinions to yourself, and that is just wrong.

Calling overdose a reckless action is not ignoring or rejecting biological and social factors that lead to addiction and overdose. We recognise the social and biological factors, but at the same time we do not dismiss the person's action as simply biological and social and nothing to do with their own agency. Calling it a mental disorder and loss of self control is dismissive. You are making light of the overdose consequences of doing drugs by pinning it squarely on mental disorder, which you agree is a serious issue. It focuses the attention at mental disorder and nothing on overdosing, which is basically an art of deflecting from the truth.

Whatever PDP's motive is in tweeting the meme is irrelevant. You cannot deny the effect of making a joke about this. Even if the teenager laughs and move on, at least they recognise that if they do drugs and overdose, they will be similarly laughed upon. It shows them it is wrong. If however, we teach teenagers it's OK to do drugs and overdose and move on, that is much worse for their wellbeing than for another person's emotion. Laughing is always at the expense of someone or something. It is inevitable. People laugh because there is something that is at the extreme, or contradictory, or just foolish. We should stop glorifying emotions and stick to the truth.

[iCpro 14,846]

7 hours ago, Dayum said:

Well, even in the court of law, you are not completely absolved because of your mental condition. A person who is found not guilty by reason of insanity is placed in a mental institution until the person is deemed no longer to be a threat to society. On a lower level of seriousness, if a person is guilty but mentally ill, they are sentenced sentenced to mental health treatment, and once treatment is completed, they still need to serve the remainder in prison. This shows that mental illness serves only as a mitigating factor and not completely relieve anyone of their responsibility.

If they view the world through a different lens, making fun of that helps them see that their view is not correct. Showing support and love does the contrary. You are endorsing their view ie you encourage them to maintain their view. If making fun of her makes her feel alone and the world hates her, then it only serves to expose her wrong way of viewing the world. Neither of us are suggesting that she should not get treatment. We all support them getting treatment and coming out as a better person. But, ultimately, each person's battle is their own to fight. You can't come around and say I am not doing better because you are still making fun of me. That is blaming other people from your problem. And if they get help and still can't handle a joke, then they surely they were released prematurely. 

This is the most effective way to teach kids not to do drugs. Why? Because it shows that even a superstar can make mistakes, nobody is perfect, and if you do drugs, you suffer the consequences. These are young impressionable kids. If they see their idol do drugs and overdose, and everyone is saying you cannot comment adversely on them, what does that teach them? It teaches them that if you overdose, you are a victim of your addiction and you are invincible against society judgement; on the contrary, the person who comments invites judgement from all corners of society. You're teaching kids to keep quiet, keep your opinions to yourself, and that is just wrong.

Calling overdose a reckless action is not ignoring or rejecting biological and social factors that lead to addiction and overdose. We recognise the social and biological factors, but at the same time we do not dismiss the person's action as simply biological and social and nothing to do with their own agency. Calling it a mental disorder and loss of self control is dismissive. You are making light of the overdose consequences of doing drugs by pinning it squarely on mental disorder, which you agree is a serious issue. It focuses the attention at mental disorder and nothing on overdosing, which is basically an art of deflecting from the truth.

Whatever PDP's motive is in tweeting the meme is irrelevant. You cannot deny the effect of making a joke about this. Even if the teenager laughs and move on, at least they recognise that if they do drugs and overdose, they will be similarly laughed upon. It shows them it is wrong. If however, we teach teenagers it's OK to do drugs and overdose and move on, that is much worse for their wellbeing than for another person's emotion. Laughing is always at the expense of someone or something. It is inevitable. People laugh because there is something that is at the extreme, or contradictory, or just foolish. We should stop glorifying emotions and stick to the truth.

Pewdiepie himself has come out and said that he shouldn’t have made fun of Demi, and the best thing to do is give her support. So you can stop peddling this ridiculous argument that he was somehow helping her by mocking her.

[Dunk96 2,526]

It's still wild that so many people still defend him and his jokes. He was cancelled the second I heard him say the N word tbh. Also he's not the first to make internet jokes/memes about Demi either. The minute it happened people were already making terrible sh*tty memes at her expense. It's really disgusting what our world and society has come to.

[Chic 20,830]

13 minutes ago, Dunk96 said:

It's still wild that so many people still defend him and his jokes. He was cancelled the second I heard him say the N word tbh. Also he's not the first to make internet jokes/memes about Demi either. The minute it happened people were already making terrible sh*tty memes at her expense. It's really disgusting what our world and society has come to.

What did our world and society used to be?

[nickziza 228]

I overdosed on heroin the day after Demi... I hate seeing people joke about it 😔😔