If Bad Romance Got Surpassed In Views How Would You Feel?

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5 hours ago, mister max said:

Get out of the ARTPOP era gurl, that was FIVE years ago. FIVE. Being pressed iver something that happened that long ago is just unhealthy, especially when she has done everything and more to make it right. She has done nothing but working on her image and rebranding her to the praised woman that she is today. She is close to star in a movie which will maybe even get her her first Oscar. 

 

I happened to find everything that came during and after ARTPOP to be less elaborate than what came before. You can disagree, but that's just how I feel about it. It all felt uninspiring afterwards. I don't care how much it means to her or how hard she worked or what you think she might achieve in the future. I'm just expressing how her work feels in comparison to what came before. ARTPOP had a lot of potential, so I don't hate it nor am I jealous or "pressed" of some music album. I'm just speaking my mind about it. None of this keeps me up at night.

6 hours ago, ryanripley said:

you literally said she hasn't worked hard since Applause and that's the only part i had a problem with because it's plain wrong no matter what angle you look at it

it's a fact the media is sexist and the radio ageist so idk why you're trying to bring that up but gaga does work hard and i won't allow "fans" to sit here and say she hasn't when she's given them something new every year in her career (minus 2010)

Well thankfully, I don't come here expecting your permission to speak my mind. I don't see her work as inspiring nor as something that I call "hard work" after ARTPOP. Whether that bothers anyone or not is the least of my concerns.

When I look at her work before and her work now, I don't see the same level of creativity. Maybe you do, maybe we just have different tastes, maybe you're just lying to yourself, maybe we're seeing different angles. Either way, my opinion of her is independent from your level of enjoyment of her music. It shouldn't affect you in any way as it's nothing personal.

5 hours ago, KleinGa said:

Yes 

fibro is a serious illness especially for someone who depends on her bodily health to do her job. Imagine having fibro and dealing with high intensity performances night after night 

have some respect 

We're judging the quality of work. When you judge a work of art, you judge it for what it is, not for the justifications for what it's not. Her health has nothing to do with her choice of outfits, her choice of genres, her choice of singles to release..etc. those are just your justifications for her or her teams' lack of innovation and care about the product they're creating.

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Just now, Givenchy said:

Well thankfully, I don't come here expecting your permission to speak my mind. I don't see her work as inspiring nor as something that I call "hard work" after ARTPOP. Whether that bothers anyone or not is the least of my concerns.

yeah because she lazed her way through the superbowl, slept through the JWT, didn't bother to star in a movie or give us extra music that's not even on the album but go off and undermine her hard work i guess  

you can dislike her work but it's just wrong to say she's not working hard lol

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6 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

yeah because she lazed her way through the superbowl, slept through the JWT, didn't bother to star in a movie or give us extra music that's not even on the album but go off and undermine her hard work i guess  

you can dislike her work but it's just wrong to say she's not working hard lol

Yeah, because a recorded footage of her descending from the rooftop is such a hard work, along with the extremely high energy show the JWT was (I'm being sarcastic here, if that isn't clear) not to mention that there are so many movies that feel lazy and overall badly made, and she's done those stuff before. She had much better performances and her music videos from the past eras used to feel like art films, so I don't see much innovation or originality here.

Participating in projects doesn't necessarily make you a hard-working person, and it doesn't necessarily mean you succeeded in doing them. I don't think she's a complete failure nor that she's lazy, but she's certainly not as hard-working as she was before nor does her work feel like high quality, look at her music videos, look at her tour stage design and compare it with U2, Taylor Swift, The Weeknd and many others. I love Lady Gaga's music, but I could quite honestly say that the artists I mentioned totally deserve the success they get, and they definitely deserve it more than Gaga does in the recent years, because her work doesn't feel as inspiring nor as hard as it used to be.

It's not just a matter of "dislike" alone, but a significant decline in quality with obvious signs of fatigue in her brand, over all or her excitement to do things. 

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1 minute ago, Givenchy said:

Yeah, because a recorded footage of her descending from the rooftop is such a hard work, along with the extremely high energy show the JWT was (I'm being sarcastic here, if that isn't clear) not to mention that there are so many movies that feel lazy and overall badly made. 

Participating in projects doesn't necessarily make you a hard-working person, and it doesn't necessarily mean you succeeded in doing them. I don't think she's a complete failure nor that she's lazy, but she's certainly not as hard-working as she was before nor does her work feel like high quality, look at her music videos, look at her tour stage design and compare it with U2, Taylor Swift, The Weeknd and many others. I love Lady Gaga's music, but I could quite honestly say that the artists I mentioned totally deserve the success they get, and they definitely deserve it more than Gaga does in the recent years, because her work doesn't feel as inspiring nor as hard as it used to be.

It's not just a matter of "dislike" alone, but a significant decline in quality with obvious signs of fatigue in her brand, over all or her excitement to do things. 

are you serious? it IS hard work to jump from a staidum roof, that sh*t is HIGH  and there was way more to the show than that just jumping from the roof, did you even see in 5F2 where she explained how important it is to get every detail right so she can hit every second on point during the show?

it's actually sad you can sit here and say she doesn't work hard when the woman struggles through fibro to give her fans more than her peers do but because you don't find it "inspiring" as 8 years ago you're so willing to totally undermine her and put her down... wow

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3 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

are you serious? it IS hard work to jump from a staidum roof, that sh*t is HIGH  and there was way more to the show than that just jumping from the roof, did you even see in 5F2 where she explained how important it is to get every detail right so she can hit every second on point during the show?

it's actually sad you can sit here and say she doesn't work hard when the woman struggles through fibro to give her fans more than her peers do but because you don't find it "inspiring" as 8 years ago you're so willing to totally undermine her and put her down... wow

Wasn't half of the jump pre-recorded? I'm not saying that's a piece of cake, but the entire performance wasn't the best thing she's ever done, nor was any performance related to anything from Applause till today was anything that was any more inspiring or original than what she did before. Again, in my original post, I said and I paraphrase "If she ever fails to reach that record (talking about BR at its time, referring to a few hundred million views) then it's probably her or her team not working hard enough", I did not use the word lazy. You did. She was obviously working much harder before and overall felt much more excited about putting out new music and filming music videos and picking her looks..etc. than she's been after Applause.

When I'm giving my opinion here, I'm giving my opinion about her work, about an art form and when you judge art, you judge it for what it is rather than justifying why it couldn't have been more. It's not a pity contest to keep bringing up her illness or saying that she's just doing it for the sake of her fans, because she isn't doing it for her fans. She's doing it because it's her job as an artists and if she just wanted something the fans wanted, we both know the stuff she would've released would've been totally different, and I'm not complaining about her choice of genres, just saying that Joanne for example was not something the fans ever really asked for, they might have liked it eventually, but it was mainly to try and make her image more friendly to the general public, so no, she isn't fighting her illness just to give us music as a gift. It's all business in the end and that's nothing wrong nor shameful, and she hasn't given her fans anything close to what her peers are.

Expressing oneself about art on an internet forum should be okay. It's not putting her down. Any artist should be okay with feedback negative or positive, I guess because you know, they're putting it for the public not for themselves at their own homes.

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1 minute ago, Givenchy said:

Wasn't half of the jump pre-recorded? I'm not saying that's a piece of cake, but the entire performance wasn't the best thing she's ever done, nor was any performance related to anything from Applause till today was anything that was any more inspiring or original than what she did before. Again, in my original post, I said and I paraphrase "If she ever fails to reach that record (talking about BR at its time, referring to a few hundred million views) then it's probably her or her team not working hard enough", I did not use the word lazy. You did. She was obviously working much harder before and overall felt much more excited about putting out new music and filming music videos and picking her looks..etc. than she's been after Applause.

When I'm giving my opinion here, I'm giving my opinion about her work, about an art form and when you judge art, you judge it for what it is rather than justifying why it couldn't have been more. It's not a pity contest to keep bringing up her illness or saying that she's just doing it for the sake of her fans, because she isn't doing it for her fans. She's doing it because it's her job as an artists and if she just wanted something the fans wanted, we both know the stuff she would've released would've been totally different, and I'm not complaining about her choice of genres, just saying that Joanne for example was not something the fans ever really asked for, they might have liked it eventually, but it was mainly to try and make her image more friendly to the general public, so no, she isn't fighting her illness just to give us music as a gift. It's all business in the end and that's nothing wrong nor shameful, and she hasn't given her fans anything close to what her peers are.

Expressing oneself about art on an internet forum should be okay. It's not putting her down. Any artist should be okay with feedback negative or positive, I guess because you know, they're putting it for the public not for themselves at their own homes.

you said she hasn't been working hard since Applause, not her team

you can have your opinions but saying she hasn't worked hard is just a lie because of how much sh*t she's had to go through since Applause and to do that and then be sarcastic about her efforts in providing fans with amazing shows is putting her down

but we're just going in circles here so i don't wish to talk about this anymore

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5 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

you said she hasn't been working hard since Applause, not her team

you can have your opinions but saying she hasn't worked hard is just a lie because of how much sh*t she's had to go through since Applause and to do that and then be sarcastic about her efforts in providing fans with amazing shows is putting her down

but we're just going in circles here so i don't wish to talk about this anymore

You said that I said she was lazy and I didn't. There's a huge different between not working hard enough or as hard as before and someone being plain lazy. There's no lie because Million Reasons music video isn't hard work, and neither is the management of her entire ARTPOP era nor the overall quality of what came after that. It wasn't on the same level as before in my eyes. I expressed how I feel about the product. That wasn't a lie, and what goes on behind the scenes isn't my concern because if they really cared about what's being released, they wouldn't have released it in a way that feels less that something that would live up to someone great as her.

"Amazing shows" is subjective. What you see as "amazing" doesn't have to qualify as amazing for me or others. I'm not telling you to dislike her shows just because I don't. And let's not act like she's sitting with us in the same room talking to us and caring what we think about her. 

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Inb4 Million Reasons surpasses Bad Romance 

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I wouldn't mind as long as BR reached 1B views first.