Antichrist 9,818 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 hours ago, SKANK said: Well, your hypothetical gay man wouldn't be entirely wrong, would he? It wasn't the fault of gay people that they were an oppressed class, but it was their choice to no longer accept oppression that birthed their civil rights movement. They weren't handed freedom, they fought for it. Which I believe is what Kanye is implying with his comment, as he clarified on twitter. b l e s s y o u Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destinysjoint 1 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 He is literally trying to hype up his upcoming flop album and it's honestly tiring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat 6,162 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I get why Jay-Z and Beyoncé broke off all relationships with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damon 10,904 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I love his music so I'm going to pretend there are two different Kanyes, this asshole and the one which releases music so I won't feel guilty for listen to it ... and now i just sit in silence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordEnigma 11,313 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 9 hours ago, SKANK said: Well, your hypothetical gay man wouldn't be entirely wrong, would he? It wasn't the fault of gay people that they were an oppressed class, but it was their choice to no longer accept oppression that birthed their civil rights movement. They weren't handed freedom, they fought for it. Which I believe is what Kanye is implying with his comment, as he clarified on twitter. Ok. If that’s how he meant it, it makes sense... however, this “free-thinking” bullshit is nothing but a ploy to get attention. If he thinks he is free-thinking because he’s a black person who supports Trump (or wearing the MAGAhat to unify the people) - he’s not 🤷🏻♂️ To me it’s like being a hipster - he’s saying these things about supporting Trump to go against the grain when, in reality, he’s just following another group of people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addison Rae 16,784 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Kanye West HAS to be self-aware of the things he says. This is obviously a publicity stunt like the rest of the stuff he’s done lately. Him and Kim know what to do to get people talking. sitting on his lap sipping diet pepsi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Seriously someone needs to get him help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 10 hours ago, SKANK said: Well, your hypothetical gay man wouldn't be entirely wrong, would he? It wasn't the fault of gay people that they were an oppressed class, but it was their choice to no longer accept oppression that birthed their civil rights movement. They weren't handed freedom, they fought for it. Which I believe is what Kanye is implying with his comment, as he clarified on twitter. Please excuse me for being rude but this is legitimately moronic. If gay people tried to march on Washington to demand their rights in the 1920s, they would be lynched. Their lives would be over. By outing themselves as gay, they'd jeopardize their careers, put themselves at EXTREME physical danger, and potentially risk their families' safety and security. Gay people HAD to wait until attitudes passed a certain threshold in the 1990s that allowed them to *more* safely march on Washington. The fact that you think that LGBTQ people just sat around quietly before that and accepted oppression is so damn ignorance. They were under extreme duress that you can't even fathom. Yes, gay people did eventually "chose" to march for civil rights, but it was only until and because of shifting attitudes that made it reasonably safe to do so. The same is true for black people in America. The price of rebellion and demanding freedom often meant that not only would you give up your life, but your wife and children would be beaten, raped, and likely killed. Imagine if you told a victim of an armed robbery that they chose or were complicit with the robbery because they didn't fight back. Well DUH they didn't fight back, the robber probably had a loaded gun pointed at the victim and their family! You can't expect people to put so much on the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
babs 5,093 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, MJHolland said: Please excuse me for being rude but this is legitimately moronic. If gay people tried to march on Washington to demand their rights in the 1920s, they would be lynched. Their lives would be over. By outing themselves as gay, they'd jeopardize their careers, put themselves at EXTREME physical danger, and potentially risk their families' safety and security. Gay people HAD to wait until attitudes passed a certain threshold in the 1990s that allowed them to *more* safely march on Washington. The fact that you think that LGBTQ people just sat around quietly before that and accepted oppression is so damn ignorance. They were under extreme duress that you can't even fathom. Yes, gay people did eventually "chose" to march for civil rights, but it was only until and because of shifting attitudes that made it reasonably safe to do so. The same is true for black people in America. The price of rebellion and demanding freedom often meant that not only would you give up your life, but your wife and children would be beaten, raped, and likely killed. Imagine if you told a victim of an armed robbery that they chose or were complicit with the robbery because they didn't fight back. Well DUH they didn't fight back, the robber probably had a loaded gun pointed at the victim and their family! You can't expect people to put so much on the line. This, and also implying that black people did nothing to fight out slavery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner's_slave_rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Slave_rebellions_in_the_United_States Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKANK 14,288 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, MJHolland said: Please excuse me for being rude but this is legitimately moronic. If gay people tried to march on Washington to demand their rights in the 1920s, they would be lynched. Their lives would be over. By outing themselves as gay, they'd jeopardize their careers, put themselves at EXTREME physical danger, and potentially risk their families' safety and security. Gay people HAD to wait until attitudes passed a certain threshold in the 1990s that allowed them to *more* safely march on Washington. The fact that you think that LGBTQ people just sat around quietly before that and accepted oppression is so damn ignorance. They were under extreme duress that you can't even fathom. Yes, gay people did eventually "chose" to march for civil rights, but it was only until and because of shifting attitudes that made it reasonably safe to do so. The same is true for black people in America. The price of rebellion and demanding freedom often meant that not only would you give up your life, but your wife and children would be beaten, raped, and likely killed. Imagine if you told a victim of an armed robbery that they chose or were complicit with the robbery because they didn't fight back. Well DUH they didn't fight back, the robber probably had a loaded gun pointed at the victim and their family! You can't expect people to put so much on the line. Much like Kanye, your bluster is backed by ignorance. The gay rights movement in America started long before the 1990's. It started long before public attitudes shifted in their favor. Pioneering queer activist groups made the choice to step out of the shadows, when American thought they were nothing more than deviants, and for their brave choice, we get to live openly. God bless The Daughters of Bilitis, 1950's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix 17,395 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 he is trying extra hard to gain attention with controversy. i guess his music is not the one to do so. learnt well from his wife who is a pro in this kinda shiz 💎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoanneMonster 9,028 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I loved when miley dragged him and trump yesterday I See You Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHolland 12,725 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, SKANK said: Much like Kanye, your bluster is backed by ignorance. The gay rights movement in America started long before the 1990's. It started long before public attitudes shifted in their favor. Pioneering queer activist groups made the choice to step out of the shadows, when American thought they were nothing more than deviants, and for their brave choice, we get to live openly. God bless The Daughters of Bilitis, 1950's. Yeah, and the sufferage movement started LONG before the Civil War! Kayne is implying that black people did nothing before the civil war. That’s false. People struggled and fought for freedom and payed an awesome price for it. But guess what? The turning point didn’t happen until the Civil War when WHITE FREE PEOPLE decided to fight for black people’s freedom. It took until attitudes changed until progress was made. It has nothing to do with black people wanted or fighting for freedom. Same goes for the gay rigjts movement. Yes, people fought. But policies didn’t change until straight people became allies. Read a history book. You and Kayne are wrong and ignorant towards the plight of oppressed people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whispering 18,865 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 46 minutes ago, MJHolland said: Kayne is implying that black people did nothing before the civil war. That’s false. People struggled and fought for freedom and payed an awesome price for it. But guess what? The turning point didn’t happen until the Civil War when WHITE FREE PEOPLE decided to fight for black people’s freedom. It took until attitudes changed until progress was made. It has nothing to do with black people wanted or fighting for freedom. Read a history book. You and Kayne are wrong and ignorant towards the plight of oppressed people. And after the Civil War, the black community was a victim of lynching. The organized regime of violence that was slavery was transferred to vigilantes in communities in a steady drip of terrorism over decades and centuries. People must not understand (or know about) the constant fear that the black communities lived under for decades after they were "free". Some (including Kanye) should read a history book, but start with looking up the history of lynchings in the US. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
misunderstood 8,736 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 5:43 PM, SKANK said: I don't agree with his statement, even when you don't take it out of context as this article did, but I appreciate that a public figure like Kanye exists. There is value in having a culturally important figure who is unafraid to share unpopular thoughts, and confront accepted norms. It's particularly refreshing in the "canceled climate." Keep talking Kanye. I agree with this, and I say this as a mixed gay man. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "I'd rather be poor and happy, than rich and alone" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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