Austria to ban hijab in primary schools and kindergarten

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2 hours ago, Melech said:

GGD better give me that hit thread that I love

Controversial Queen of Islamic/Jewish/Eastern European issues.

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29 minutes ago, vocalqueef said:

What about the little girl who looks up to her mother and wants to wear a hijab just like her, because she wants to?

This. I personally find religion to be oppressive in most ways, but restricting a family to practice their religion in public schools is ridiculous and dangerous. They might be young, and yes, indoctrinated, but that kid will grow up. Right now, you need to let their parents raise them how they'd like to, within reason.

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6 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

How are Hijabs impeding the schools ability to teach? This seems like a direct attack of Muslim citizens. In America, it would be extremely unconstitutional to ban.

It would be unconstitutional in every developped country  And if this law passes it would be a shame for Europe

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1 minute ago, Florian said:

 it would be a shame for Europe

More shameful for Austria, but if other European right-wing parties follow with a similar rhetoric.. yikes.

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2 hours ago, A Hybrid said:

Well, parallel societies? Bit of a stretch, huh?

But I don't think kindergarten or primary school kids are mature enough to make the decision to wear a hijab and I feel sad that they are being forced by their parents.

I don't think you even understand the significance of the decision to wear one, buddy.

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People bringing up the “argument” of letting children choose what to wear (for the sake of anti-hijab) the majority of school children in many places are forced to wear school uniforms or forced to wear boy vs. girl clothes or forced to wear or forced to wear their hair a certain way. Children all across the world are told what to wear by their parents. There’s absolutely nothing controversial about that. 

Double standards with an anti-Muslim agenda. Posted by none other than Melech, of course lol. Like, dude, are you a hardcore Zionist or something? Is that why you’re always posting articles to spur an anti-Muslim conversation? 

Regardless, I support banning all religious paraphernalia in public schools lol. 

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Threat to mainstream culture

Why is this only towards the Islamic headscarf and not to other religious items of clothing?  Unless I’ve misread or something  

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Regardless of which side you're on, I think we can all agree that hostility, alienation and dismissiveness have rarely led to lasting, meaningful change in policy and general attitude. My guess is that if Austria is trying to suppress Islam with this move, that may not be the actual outcome...

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1 hour ago, Melech said:

The question is how much can a child decide if they want to wear a hijab or not. 

Children are actually quite smart. And there are many Muslim girls who choose to wear it. Have you interviewed and watched educational videos on such topics? I don't understand why you are putting blanket statements over people who have clearly shown signs of deciding on their own. 

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1 hour ago, hunty said:

excuse me there's a really big ****ing difference between wearing a cute necklace and a child suffocating in a head scarf while other girls are braiding each other's hair. don't quote me expecting a response because i'm not going to argue with someone who thinks 10 year old girls wrapped up in hijabs to "hide their beauty" is okay

Don't throw the first punch in a fight and not expect to get something in return. Wise up and expect a well informed response from your fellow GGD members. This may be in the internet, but GGD at least tries to create a different type of atmosphere regarding discussions. 

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I have major problems with the way people are discussing this topic. First of all, I want to preface this by saying that my knowledge about Islam is limited and that I don't fully understand the culture and religion, that being said, I do think that banning it is not okay.

Firstly, I can see where some people may have a problem with this because the idea of "forcing religion onto anyone, nevermind a child" is bad. That said, that's up to the parents and if they want to teach their kid about their religion. I'm definitely okay with parents teaching their child about their beliefs and their morals—after all, it's their child—but they shouldn't shun other people when doing so (i.e. if you're a Christian parent, it isn't okay to tell your kids that all gay people are terrible). However, as the child grows older, they should be able to think freely for themselves and pursue the religion on their own terms (and this is for any religion). 

On the topic of banning the hijab. I agree that if they're going to ban religious imagery, you need to ban all of it. I think it's completely ignorant, and quite frankly, stupid if you're okay with banning one particular religion, but not another. That is clear discrimination. 

I also believe that some of you guys need to open your eyes to other perspectives. Religion, yes, while it can, and does cause problems, it's also a way for people to live their lives. If someone (whether they be young or old) wants to follow a particular religion and as long as they are kind and compassionate people, they should have the ability to do that. What if a kindergartener wants to wear their hijab? Now, taking it away is inhumane. After all, the whole reason why some of you think it's "okay" is because you think that it's bad for them. If they themselves don't think it's bad, who are you to judge? 

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25 minutes ago, FATCAT said:

This. I personally find religion to be oppressive in most ways, but restricting a family to practice their religion in public schools is ridiculous and dangerous. They might be young, and yes, indoctrinated, but that kid will grow up. Right now, you need to let their parents raise them how they'd like to, within reason.

There is a time and place for everything. Children can still be educated and practice a religion at home or outside but some places should, in my opinion, be free-zones (especially schools and I'll try to explain why).

School (especially at a young age) should be a refuge for children, it's a safe space from every bad influences that can happen outside. If you have abusive parents, toxic environment, etc, school should be a place where a child can feel like every other children of its age. You let your issues at the gates and can have half a day without them.

And the reasons why I think religion doesn't have its place at school are : 1) because at that age, the religion is often forced by the parents (intentionally or not) 2) a kid can be discriminated because of it.

 

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3 minutes ago, Florian said:

There is a time and place for everything. Children can still be educated and practice a religion at home or outside but some places should, in my opinion, be free-zones (especially schools and I'll try to explain why).

School (especially at a young age) should be a refuge for children, it's a safe space from every bad influences that can happen outside. If you have abusive parents, toxic environment, etc, school should be a place where a child can feel like every other children of its age. You let your issues at the gates and can have half a day without them.

And the reasons why I think religion doesn't have its place at school are : 1) because at that age, the religion is often forced by the parents (intentionally or not) 2) a kid can be discriminated because of it.

 

Kids don't have to wear a hijab if they don't want to, it can still be that refuge to students who fell that way, but in attempting to create a "refuge" you're also discriminating against children that want to wear a hijab. Students should be allowed to wear what they want, within reason, and a hijab stops no one from learning.

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Good job Germany should ban it too 

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I don't see them banning crosses or a jewish necklace...