Mr S 7,636 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 I'm talking about the newer girls that are doing well on streaming (Camilla, Ariana, etc). They literally have like no album or song sales. How do they make money? Especially since the label has to pay for all the promotion and payola. Touring only gets them so much. I wonder if that is why someone like Gaga or Pink don't get that kind of payola support from their labels. Because regardless of their song performance, their names are huge and thus they will make plenty of money from touring. So why bother paying for the song success? Whereas girls like Camilla really need that kind of label support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Warhola 12,992 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Mostly GoFundMe donations and shoplifting she's a party girl with a bad habit for drugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saispas 309 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Streaming services have to pay for usage rights so ig that's how they do it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrsgagamonster 38 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Touring pays a lot more for mainstream artists though. and the deals they're signing are not just album deals, they're touring, album, and sometimes even endorsements in 360 record deals. So if you're a heavy hitter you're making bank, but if you're not, you're making less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto 13,133 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Andrew Warhola said: Mostly GoFundMe donations and shoplifting I also heard Camila is very good at couponing to help her save some cash Free my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 It depends on the streaming service actually since they have different payout rates per stream. Surprisingly, Napster is one of the most profitable streaming services out there in terms of how much they pay rising artists. Napster – $0.0167 Tidal – $0.0110 Apple Music – $0.0064 Google Play – $0.0059 Deezer – $0.0056 Spotify – $0.0038 Pandora – $0.0011 YouTube – $0.0006 Camila is getting around $170-175k on Spotify alone monthly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contrapoints 6,146 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Cam4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,741 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, KyliesChild said: It depends on the streaming service actually since they have different payout rates per stream. Surprisingly, Napster is one of the most profitable streaming services out there in terms of how much they pay rising artists. Napster – $0.0167 Tidal – $0.0110 Apple Music – $0.0064 Google Play – $0.0059 Deezer – $0.0056 Spotify – $0.0038 Pandora – $0.0011 YouTube – $0.0006 Camila is getting around $170-175k on Spotify alone monthly. This. An artist that sells a million singles on itunes make less than 100k. It’s really not that great to be a “sales artist” these days when sales are so bad. There was a time when people used to sell 10m+ albums and they still went bankrupt. The money isn’t really in the music but endorsements, touring, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyliesChild 16,907 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, doppelganger said: This. An artist that sells a million singles on itunes make less than 100k. It’s really not that great to be a “sales artist” these days when sales are so bad. There was a time when people used to sell 10m+ albums and they still went bankrupt. The money isn’t really in the music but endorsements, touring, etc. TLC is a group that immediately comes to mind.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 20,096 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 They don’t  maybe that’s why major artists don’t usually worry about streaming. I’m on my Legacy Act era Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 7,636 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, KyliesChild said: It depends on the streaming service actually since they have different payout rates per stream. Surprisingly, Napster is one of the most profitable streaming services out there in terms of how much they pay rising artists. Napster – $0.0167 Tidal – $0.0110 Apple Music – $0.0064 Google Play – $0.0059 Deezer – $0.0056 Spotify – $0.0038 Pandora – $0.0011 YouTube – $0.0006 Camila is getting around $170-175k on Spotify alone monthly. Interesting. 170k per month isn't bad at all, but surely a lot of it has to go back to the label because of the payola, and all the videos etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr S 7,636 Posted February 12, 2018 Author Share Posted February 12, 2018 14 minutes ago, mrsgagamonster said: Touring pays a lot more for mainstream artists though. and the deals they're signing are not just album deals, they're touring, album, and sometimes even endorsements in 360 record deals. So if you're a heavy hitter you're making bank, but if you're not, you're making less. I definitely get that, but my post is mostly directed at those that aren't heavy hitters, like Camilla who probably doesn't make much on tour. And then what about someone like Sza who sells even less and her touring audience is even smaller? How do they survive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doppelganger 3,741 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, KyliesChild said: TLC is a group that immediately comes to mind.  That’s exactly who I was referring to. It’s tragic. But this was a time before artists were seen as a brand. I think it was Benny Medina and J Lo that completely rethink what it means to be that. She didn’t sell that many albums but there were fashion line, perfume, films. It also certainly helps to write a hit song that people will play for decades to come. And make money off royalties and streams from those songs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werk 13,165 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: I definitely get that, but my post is mostly directed at those that aren't heavy hitters, like Camilla who probably doesn't make much on tour. And then what about someone like Sza who sells even less and her touring audience is even smaller? How do they survive?  Same question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProdigyARTPOP 3,882 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, GrigioGirl1 said: I definitely get that, but my post is mostly directed at those that aren't heavy hitters, like Camilla who probably doesn't make much on tour. And then what about someone like Sza who sells even less and her touring audience is even smaller? How do they survive? from songwriting, publishing deals, deals with GAP and Guess, merchandise, and much more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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