Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I want to create a tarot card deck inspired by Pop culture ( stan culture oriented ) and I need your knowledge, you wise guardians of the POP Kingdom. what image comes to your mind when you read the description of each card ? ( It can be a pop star / a song / a video / a situation / an era / a event / a situation / a behavior / a GIF ... pretty much every thing pop-related ) LE MAT Spoiler Pilgrim on a spiritual quest, in movement. Represents the Tarot itself, as well as the human soul, the search for self. for something, change of residence, freedom, movement, quest, voyage. REVERSED : Folly, regression, refusal to move forward, the person wants to turn back or is afraid to go toward the future, is going back on a decision. THE JUGGLER Spoiler Represents work, hyperactivity. New project, start of a new cycle. Beginning of a never-ending task without knowing where it will lead. Magician, illusionist working with raw materials, wants to accomplish his mission. Manual labor. Employee. REVERSED : a trick, clever manipulation, using one’s power to mislead others. THE POPESS Spoiler Receptivity and passivity, she symbolises accumulation of knowledge from other places : learning things that others have done. The book is wisdom, connection to the world of the soul. Her veil suggests secrets. The white face relates to the moon, to purity. Evokes the mother. Training, studies. Writing. REVERSED : Refusal to learn or to receive. THE EMPRESS Spoiler Represents the world of ideas before they are actualized. Activity in the abstract. She awakens the eagle, symbol of the mental which is put into activity with her own ideas. The font shows that she is one who purifies, from "limpératrice" (limpid, pure). Creativity, artist who sees the fruits of her imagination. REVERSED : At a loss for ideas, lack of creativity. THE EMPEROR Spoiler Representes one who makes projects a reality. A builder who puts the ideas of the Empress into action. He is jovial (his legs crossed in the shape of a 4 are a Jupiterian symbol), courageous. He commands : He is the ideal enlightened leader, makes potential actual. REVERSED : Tyrannical person, obstacles to realization or action, fear of taking action. THE POPE Spoiler Represents one who transmits, who teaches. He is a visionary, looking toward the future. A benefactor who will help. The scepter he holds is an antenna for receiving signals from the "beyond". He must transmit in order to be able to receive. Possesses learning. Suggests the father. The theatre. REVERSED : Blockage or refusal to transmit, thus also to receive. THE LOVER Spoiler Inspiration, choice, communication between human beings. Sacred union between man and woman. Love is the fundamental experience for mastery of the earth plane. Suggests a love dilemma, also speaks of a good choice, guided by Heaven which whispers its thoughts. Magnetism. REVERSED : Problem with adultery, with a choice or with communication. THE CHARIOT Spoiler Victory in the material plane, success in the human world. At the end of a "battlefield", he is crowned and stripped of doubts and chance : He has finished his initiation as a human being. A winner who knows what will happen. Someone with power, who can help others. Symbol of a voyage. Suggests the son. REVERSED : Refusal of or obstacle to success. JUSTICE Spoiler Financial, emotional, mental, or physical equilibrium. Represents the tightrope walker who walks on the wire of his existence, weighing whether he does good or evil. Karmic balance, the person is learning to master their karma. Justice has a third eye. The rope of detachment around her neck, the sword of divine justice in hand. REVERSED : Loss of balance, karmic problem. THE HERMIT Spoiler A shift in consciousness, an initiation: inner conflict, solitude, emotional or economic crisis well handled. Represents someone who is a beacon for others and for himself: produces his own light. Holds the staff of power, a very patient magician. Symbol of immortality. REVERSED : Inner conflict, badly handled crisis. THE WHEEL OF FORTUNE Spoiler Master of one’s destiny, one who listens to the inner voice to escape the wheel, like the crowned sphinx, who has integrated the 4 elements/planes of existence. Implies a transformation due to the immense energies released by this work on oneself. Destiny will act favorably. Creating one’s own reality. Change. REVERSED: Refusal to take charge of life, misfortune resulting. STRENGTH Spoiler A miracle which will bring salvation, removing a problem that seemed unsolvable. The need to control one’s energies, and an unexpected solution appears. The concept of infinity (hat in shape of an 8, like the Juggler). Can suggest the mother-in-law. Mastery of the personality by one’s higher self. Health and vigor. REVERSED : Not open to a miracle. The personality gets the upper hand. Weakness. THE HANGED MAN Spoiler Immobility well handled, a waiting period, stop, internalisation, meditation to master the strength that has just appeared. Cut off from the energies of the zodiac (the 12 cut branches). Illusion of attachment, but can free himself. Sees the world upside down. Trapped in matter. Laziness. Masochism. Unemployment. REVERSED : Blockage badly handled, powerlessness, depression. THE ARCANUM WITHOUT A NAME Spoiler Transformation handled well. Symbol of fear, of oneself and of life, represents also negative energies, someone who is very nervous, a castrator. The lesser guardian of the heavenly world, d’où nécessité de se parfaire pour pouvoir l’affronter. Destructive power. The unconscious at work. REVERSED : Illness, transformation handled poorly, obscurantism. TEMPERANCE Spoiler The beyond, the world of angels, the unknown. Healing (2 serpents: caduceus), economy, avoiding waste, patience of an angel. It is the card of travel through space-time. Someone who wants to help those who suffer. Invisible support. Caractère modéré, calme. Concentration. Attention to detail. Doctor. REVERSED : Problem of impatience, economy, refusing help. THE DEVIL Spoiler Represents mental illusion, lies. Wants to sell us what we already possess. Concept of attachment, animal nature. The greater guardian of the heavenly world, just before entering the House of God. A tyrant. Sadist. Self-assertion. REVERSED : Temptation, bad intentions, excessive manipulation. THE HOUSE OF GOD Spoiler The word God appears. If one obeys God, then: Abundance (money falls from the sky). Unbelievable opportunities, joy, the house of the father. Illumination, using one’s gifts. Through ordeals, life makes us accept its gifts. Monastery. House. REVERSED : Pride (Tower of Babel), unwilling to accept abundance and God, problem with the father’s household THE STAR Spoiler Represents humility, the naked truth, from which fertility and prosperity result. The landscape suggests harmony, the Garden of Eden. It is necessary to become nothing and to kneel in order to receive the energies of the stars: The gift of water, the gift of life. Generosity. Pregnancy. REVERSED : Refusal to be humble, to kneel. Problem with pride, with fertility THE SUN Spoiler Symbol of brotherhood : Two people who represent the personality and the higher self reunited. Communication among human beings, friends, happiness, construction : Idea of joining in a ? dans un projet chaleureux. Mutual cooperation. The sun shines. A favorable card. REVERSED : Problem of communication with others, refusal to build, of fraternity. THE MOON Spoiler Refers to the world of the emotions, its mirages and animal nature. Here, it is necessary to control emotions and their attraction for material things, so that a superior state linked to intuition can appear. This card is linked to the imagination, the past. The mother. House of the mother. Clairvoyance. REVERSED : Disputes. Problems with emotions, the mother, the past… JUDGMENT Spoiler Revelation of something hidden. New life, good news, healing, resurrection, birth. Represents the family. Refers to prayer, to communication with the celestial world. A transcendental, omniscient state of consciousness. Very favorable card. REVERSED : Refusal to heal, to hear what one is being told, of a new life THE WORLD Spoiler Total fulfillment and success, on all levels. Quintessence. Others put themselves at our service to help. The entire universe conspires to help. A portal to an infinity of possibilities. Cosmic consciousness. Vision. The 4 directions. Travel. This symbolism is found in the cathedrals. 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Unreleased 43 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 All I know that is all Gaga except that reversed popess is Katy Perry. Blue is turquiose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, Unreleased said: All I know that is all Gaga except that reversed popess is Katy Perry. Each card has two sides, so If I put Katy Perry as reversed Popess, it also means I have to find a good side as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant 20,282 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jamie said: REVERSED : Refusal to be humble, to kneel. Problem with pride, with fertility welp 광야로 걸어가 알아 네 home ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Irrelevant said: welp Are you thinking of someone ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 Pilgrim on a spiritual quest, in movement. Represents the Tarot itself, as well as the human soul, the search for self. for something, change of residence, freedom, movement, quest, voyage. -- It reminds me of Gagz quote : I'm every icon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 22,211 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 41 minutes ago, Jamie said: THE HERMIT 43 minutes ago, Jamie said: THE STAR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Sneaky Oliver said: Yasss I think this is a good choice, even the video itself matches quite well the description Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxe Ford 3,481 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 The Popess, called the High Priestess in most esoteric decks (like the Builders Of The Adytum's whome I studied) definitely comes to mind when I think of Gaga. She's seated between the two pillars of duality in the temple of Solomon (mythologically speaking, which isn't saying its not a fact. When studying the The tarot you have to discsard the difference between subjective and objective reality). That card can be described as the spiritual side of the Empress card and is much more than the short description in the OP. Since the 22 card Major Arcana is a map of all creation it means its a huge task to correlate them to pop culture. In a way all cards represent pop culture in a microcosmic sense. Macrocosmically all pop culture could fit just one card. To answer the question intelligently I would need hours, possibly weeks, of meditation and mulling over aspects etc. Thats the interesting thing with the Tarot: you can use them for the most base fortune telling or they can be a lifelong study. The easiest would be to shove everything about pop culture into The Fool. He's a blank canvas, a total innocent forever just about to fall off a cliff into certain death. But the way he's pictured there's allways place for one litlle step more. Edit: don't bother with reversed cards. Its complicated enough as it is and doesn't necessarily have the opposite meaning. It could mean 'same thing but to a lesser degree'. And since the 22 cards encompass *everything*, why make eveyrhing twice as complicated. What happens in Luxe Ford stays in Luxe Ford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Oliver 22,211 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 The Juggler kinda reminds of me the ARTPOP era beggining! The Pope could be MJ and The Emperor could be Madonna. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Luxe Ford said: The Popess, called the High Priestess in most esoteric decks (like the Builders Of The Adytum's whome I studied) definitely comes to mind when I think of Gaga. She's seated between the two pillars of duality in the temple of Solomon (mythologically speaking, which isn't saying its not a fact. When studying the The tarot you have to discsard the difference between subjective and objective reality). That card can be described as the spiritual side of the Empress card and is much more than the short description in the OP. Since the 22 card Major Arcana is a map of all creation it means its a huge task to correlate them to pop culture. In a way all cards represent pop culture in a microcosmic sense. Macrocosmically all pop culture could fit just one card. To answer the question intelligently I would need hours, possibly weeks, of meditation and mulling over aspects etc. Thats the interesting thing with the Tarot: you can use them for the most base fortune telling or they can be a lifelong study. The easiest would be to shove everything about pop culture into The Fool. He's a blank canvas, a total innocent forever just about to fall off a cliff into certain death. But the way he's pictured there's allways place for one litlle step more. Thank you for your reply ^^ I agree with you, every card is a world by itself, and it's reductive in a way to fit pop persona into one card. The link that I'm trying to create between the tarot and Pop culture is that it both generate strong images / archetypes that resonate for many people, and those public projections can act as a theater/catharcis of their own, intimate, life. At the moment, I'm in the research era ^^ So I'm trying to collect informations that will help me built this deck. I know one thing for sure tho, I don't think I am gonna be able to use this tarot for card reading. I didn't expect this view of Gaga as the Popess, but I kind of see her as somehow isolated by her will of knowledge, so I agree with you on that. Do you have a picture that comes to your mind ? (sorry for my english I'm french, so I hope I'm clear ^^') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxe Ford 3,481 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 59 minutes ago, Jamie said: I want to create a tarot card deck inspired by Pop culture ( stan culture oriented ) and I need your knowledge, you wise guardians of the POP Kingdom. what image comes to your mind when you read the description of each card ? ( It can be a pop star / a song / a video / a situation / an era / a event / a situation / a behavior / a GIF ... pretty much every thing pop-related ) LE MAT Reveal hidden contents Pilgrim on a spiritual quest, in movement. Represents the Tarot itself, as well as the human soul, the search for self. for something, change of residence, freedom, movement, quest, voyage. REVERSED : Folly, regression, refusal to move forward, the person wants to turn back or is afraid to go toward the future, is going back on a decision. THE JUGGLER Reveal hidden contents Represents work, hyperactivity. New project, start of a new cycle. Beginning of a never-ending task without knowing where it will lead. Magician, illusionist working with raw materials, wants to accomplish his mission. Manual labor. Employee. REVERSED : a trick, clever manipulation, using one’s power to mislead others. THE POPESS Reveal hidden contents Receptivity and passivity, she symbolises accumulation of knowledge from other places : learning things that others have done. The book is wisdom, connection to the world of the soul. Her veil suggests secrets. The white face relates to the moon, to purity. Evokes the mother. Training, studies. Writing. REVERSED : Refusal to learn or to receive. THE EMPRESS Reveal hidden contents Represents the world of ideas before they are actualized. Activity in the abstract. She awakens the eagle, symbol of the mental which is put into activity with her own ideas. The font shows that she is one who purifies, from "limpératrice" (limpid, pure). Creativity, artist who sees the fruits of her imagination. REVERSED : At a loss for ideas, lack of creativity. THE EMPEROR Reveal hidden contents Representes one who makes projects a reality. A builder who puts the ideas of the Empress into action. He is jovial (his legs crossed in the shape of a 4 are a Jupiterian symbol), courageous. He commands : He is the ideal enlightened leader, makes potential actual. REVERSED : Tyrannical person, obstacles to realization or action, fear of taking action. THE POPE Reveal hidden contents Represents one who transmits, who teaches. He is a visionary, looking toward the future. A benefactor who will help. The scepter he holds is an antenna for receiving signals from the "beyond". He must transmit in order to be able to receive. Possesses learning. Suggests the father. The theatre. REVERSED : Blockage or refusal to transmit, thus also to receive. THE LOVER Reveal hidden contents Inspiration, choice, communication between human beings. Sacred union between man and woman. Love is the fundamental experience for mastery of the earth plane. Suggests a love dilemma, also speaks of a good choice, guided by Heaven which whispers its thoughts. Magnetism. REVERSED : Problem with adultery, with a choice or with communication. THE CHARIOT Reveal hidden contents Victory in the material plane, success in the human world. At the end of a "battlefield", he is crowned and stripped of doubts and chance : He has finished his initiation as a human being. A winner who knows what will happen. Someone with power, who can help others. Symbol of a voyage. Suggests the son. REVERSED : Refusal of or obstacle to success. JUSTICE Reveal hidden contents Financial, emotional, mental, or physical equilibrium. Represents the tightrope walker who walks on the wire of his existence, weighing whether he does good or evil. Karmic balance, the person is learning to master their karma. Justice has a third eye. The rope of detachment around her neck, the sword of divine justice in hand. REVERSED : Loss of balance, karmic problem. THE HERMIT Reveal hidden contents A shift in consciousness, an initiation: inner conflict, solitude, emotional or economic crisis well handled. Represents someone who is a beacon for others and for himself: produces his own light. Holds the staff of power, a very patient magician. Symbol of immortality. REVERSED : Inner conflict, badly handled crisis. THE WHEEL OF FORTUNE Reveal hidden contents Master of one’s destiny, one who listens to the inner voice to escape the wheel, like the crowned sphinx, who has integrated the 4 elements/planes of existence. Implies a transformation due to the immense energies released by this work on oneself. Destiny will act favorably. Creating one’s own reality. Change. REVERSED: Refusal to take charge of life, misfortune resulting. STRENGTH Reveal hidden contents A miracle which will bring salvation, removing a problem that seemed unsolvable. The need to control one’s energies, and an unexpected solution appears. The concept of infinity (hat in shape of an 8, like the Juggler). Can suggest the mother-in-law. Mastery of the personality by one’s higher self. Health and vigor. REVERSED : Not open to a miracle. The personality gets the upper hand. Weakness. THE HANGED MAN Reveal hidden contents Immobility well handled, a waiting period, stop, internalisation, meditation to master the strength that has just appeared. Cut off from the energies of the zodiac (the 12 cut branches). Illusion of attachment, but can free himself. Sees the world upside down. Trapped in matter. Laziness. Masochism. Unemployment. REVERSED : Blockage badly handled, powerlessness, depression. THE ARCANUM WITHOUT A NAME Hide contents Transformation handled well. Symbol of fear, of oneself and of life, represents also negative energies, someone who is very nervous, a castrator. The lesser guardian of the heavenly world, d’où nécessité de se parfaire pour pouvoir l’affronter. Destructive power. The unconscious at work. REVERSED : Illness, transformation handled poorly, obscurantism. TEMPERANCE Reveal hidden contents The beyond, the world of angels, the unknown. Healing (2 serpents: caduceus), economy, avoiding waste, patience of an angel. It is the card of travel through space-time. Someone who wants to help those who suffer. Invisible support. Caractère modéré, calme. Concentration. Attention to detail. Doctor. REVERSED : Problem of impatience, economy, refusing help. THE DEVIL Reveal hidden contents Represents mental illusion, lies. Wants to sell us what we already possess. Concept of attachment, animal nature. The greater guardian of the heavenly world, just before entering the House of God. A tyrant. Sadist. Self-assertion. REVERSED : Temptation, bad intentions, excessive manipulation. THE HOUSE OF GOD Reveal hidden contents The word God appears. If one obeys God, then: Abundance (money falls from the sky). Unbelievable opportunities, joy, the house of the father. Illumination, using one’s gifts. Through ordeals, life makes us accept its gifts. Monastery. House. REVERSED : Pride (Tower of Babel), unwilling to accept abundance and God, problem with the father’s household THE STAR Reveal hidden contents Represents humility, the naked truth, from which fertility and prosperity result. The landscape suggests harmony, the Garden of Eden. It is necessary to become nothing and to kneel in order to receive the energies of the stars: The gift of water, the gift of life. Generosity. Pregnancy. REVERSED : Refusal to be humble, to kneel. Problem with pride, with fertility THE SUN Reveal hidden contents Symbol of brotherhood : Two people who represent the personality and the higher self reunited. Communication among human beings, friends, happiness, construction : Idea of joining in a ? dans un projet chaleureux. Mutual cooperation. The sun shines. A favorable card. REVERSED : Problem of communication with others, refusal to build, of fraternity. THE MOON Reveal hidden contents Refers to the world of the emotions, its mirages and animal nature. Here, it is necessary to control emotions and their attraction for material things, so that a superior state linked to intuition can appear. This card is linked to the imagination, the past. The mother. House of the mother. Clairvoyance. REVERSED : Disputes. Problems with emotions, the mother, the past… JUDGMENT Reveal hidden contents Revelation of something hidden. New life, good news, healing, resurrection, birth. Represents the family. Refers to prayer, to communication with the celestial world. A transcendental, omniscient state of consciousness. Very favorable card. REVERSED : Refusal to heal, to hear what one is being told, of a new life THE WORLD Reveal hidden contents Total fulfillment and success, on all levels. Quintessence. Others put themselves at our service to help. The entire universe conspires to help. A portal to an infinity of possibilities. Cosmic consciousness. Vision. The 4 directions. Travel. This symbolism is found in the cathedrals. REVERSED : Refusal to be fulfilled, to travel Where did you find the info in this post. Some of the names of the cards are different than the ones mostly used. Le Mat=The Fool, The Pope=The High Priestess, The House of God= The Tower or Lightning stuck tower (a horrible card!) and for some reason Death is called The Arcanum With No Name. Maybe because people think its a bad card. Its not, and means major change getting rid of a part of your life to make room for something better. A morbid description would be 'rebirth through putrefaction'. Arcanum is the single form of Arcana, which are the 22 cards with pretty pictueres. The 56 other cards, the Minor Arcana, is just a regular deck of cards with an extra dressed card in each suit. 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Luxe Ford 3,481 Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jamie said: Thank you for your reply ^^ I agree with you, every card is a world by itself, and it's reductive in a way to fit pop persona into one card. The link that I'm trying to create between the tarot and Pop culture is that it both generate strong images / archetypes that resonate for many people, and those public projections can act as a theater/catharcis of their own, intimate, life. At the moment, I'm in the research era ^^ So I'm trying to collect informations that will help me built this deck. I know one thing for sure tho, I don't think I am gonna be able to use this tarot for card reading. I didn't expect this view of Gaga as the Popess, but I kind of see her as somehow isolated by her will of knowledge, so I agree with you on that. Do you have a picture that comes to your mind ? (sorry for my english I'm french, so I hope I'm clear ^^') Your English is just fine! I'm sorry if I made your question sound too light-hearted. Just thinking of how to fit pop culture into the cards is great practise. It sounds pretentious, but you don't learn the cards by memorizing their meanings, from a list, you learn by thinking about how the things you read about them fit in with everything else. Ok that *was* pretentious! What happens in Luxe Ford stays in Luxe Ford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Luxe Ford said: Your English is just fine! I'm sorry if I made your question sound too light-hearted. Just thinking of how to fit pop culture into the cards is great practise. It sounds pretentious, but you don't learn the cards by memorizing their meanings, from a list, you learn by thinking about how the things you read about them fit in with everything else. Ok that *was* pretentious! Yes I agree with you, I think there is a lot of way to learn the tarot, I don't think it's pretencious, it's just that you know the topic hehe ^^ I learned tarotthru drawing mostly, and also I had the chance to meet a great tarot reader in Paris for few years who let me watch his readings. As for the names of the cards, they are from "Alexandro Jodorowsky" tarot deck, who created his own tarot deck by doing research in europe about the origines of the "tarot de marseille", which he considered the first form of the tarot that as appeared and has since been drawn and redrawn by lots of artists. There is very few informations about this first tarot de marseille, and Jodorowsky has "published" his research in the form of a new tarot. He also consider his version the more "pure" and "objective" because the artwork is very close to the originals drawings, found via old paintings, old decks and stuff... but it is another question ^^ The names of the cards are probably the traductions of old latin/italian cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie 608 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, Jamie said: The arcanum with no name has litterally no name on it ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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