Tape of Tarrantino defending child rape resurfaces

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2 minutes ago, derpmonster said:

Uh uh - protecting minors from the manipulation is rape? 

Minors are not independent people. There are MANY decisions they are not allowed to make for themselves. It's not just sex. And like everything else, guardians can allow it. Would you also say that not allowing 13 year olds to drink or not allowing them to buy property is rape?

Minors can speak for themselves but it's not exactly a conversation between equals when you're dealing with an adult especially a 45 year old. People are manipulative and this is more common than you realize.

Yes.

Minors are independent people and are sometimes the most vocal about how they feel, actually.

Rape is rape. If someone lies to you, as a means of luring you & then raping you, it's rape. However, people are always, regardless of age, making decisions from a particular perspective that is either optimistic or pessimistic. Even as "intelligent" & consenting adults, we can endlessly weight the pros and cons of a certain action. But because there are endless perspectives and endless pros & cons, we act with a limited perspective anyways. The experience we have is co-dependent on the perspective we have.

Many adults who partake in moderate drug use have learned from negative experiences. In some cases, they have learned what they would not have, if they had not had previous experience.

Just because your intentions are "good" doesn't mean it's not rape. In fact, there are parts of the world where sexual rape is accepted because they think it is good for the victim. Yet still, is unwanted rape.

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17 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

i'm sorry but they're not, they just THINK they are, like all teenagers

all teenagers think they're always right, always unstoppable, always untouchable, impressionable etc but when life hits them hard in the gut they will run back to mummy and daddy

My niece is 16. She has known what she's doing since about 11 as have her friends. Sure they may regret it but they're fully aware.

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1 minute ago, ShockPop said:

My niece is 16. She has known what she's doing since about 11 as have her friends. Sure they may regret it but they're fully aware.

my sister is 18 tomorrow and she has next to no grasp on reality  

all kids are stupid and selfish, they may be aware of what's going on but realistically only what's in front of them, right then and there

they don't really think about the consequences of their actions until it's too late

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3 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

my sister is 18 tomorrow and she has next to no grasp on reality  

all kids are stupid and selfish, they may be aware of what's going on but realistically only what's in front of them, right then and there

they don't really think about the consequences of their actions until it's too late

... let's not judge everyone based on your sister.

If they know how to contour they know what getting laid involves.

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Just now, ShockPop said:

... let's not judge everyone based on your sister.

If they know how to contour they know what getting laid involves.

but lets also not judge everyone based on your niece  

teen pregnancy is an issue for a reason lol

[InTraumatica 5,786]

Guys, do you even know this case? The girl, he had sex with, had lied about her age.  I am not saying it makes it any better, but it was NOT rape. 

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6 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

but lets also not judge everyone based on your niece  

teen pregnancy is an issue for a reason lol

Because kids are having sex. Duh.

Also, your sister is legally an adult now yet unable to make these decisions. This should tell you age doesn't define responsibility and proves my point.

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i was very conscious with 16 when i lost my virginity, and it was still traumatic while i was manipulated and more sh_it i'm not bringing here, so i actually can't believe we're debating this when that girl was 13 years old and i'm sure they would still deny it even if they killed her after brutally raping her, we're talking about hollywood so...

 

[Killa 17,476]

I always knew TArantino was a bit out of it, but damn.. like dont even know how to comment this

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I can’t believe there are people in here perpetuating the idea that 13 year olds should be allowed to have sex. There’s a reason why the age of consent is 18. So many kids are getting manipulated into having sexual relationships which leads to trauma that may affect them for life. Y’all are so ignorant, OhMyGod 

[Dark Anatomy 2,284]

Not really related to Quentins comment but I freaking the hypocrisy of statutory rape.

I was 14 and got "raped" by a 27 year old woman. No one cared because I'm a guy. She got off scott free and is head of my church. So is it acceptable or not people? Or are vaginas the only victim of rape?

It's so hard this days to distinguish what's socially deplorable. If a man's gonna get nailed to a cross for sleeping with minors. so should the women. 

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

People who try to find a way to justify this kinda thing give me the shivers, honestly. Especially when it's men. Not saying they're a rapist or a potential rapist but as a woman, hearing this stuff seriously offends me and makes me fearful of how many men think this way. It also makes me mad that not much has changed in all these years concerning how rape is regarded - so many still think it shouldn't qualify as rape if the under-aged party wanted to do it, which is totally beside the point. They might not know what they're doing or care about the law and consequences but an adult sure as hell does and so the responsibility lies with them. And he even has the gall to say the victim was "dating" the guy. Underage people don't date adults, they are merely groomed minors. This is why I hate it when the media report on incidents of statutory rape and use terms like "dating," "girlfriend" and "having sex." It's no wonder that the public gets warped thoughts on what minors can handle when they see terms like this being used. And how dare Quentin tries to compare it to racism, making a total false analogy. And he also has the audacity to bring up how American and European morals are different, making out that us Europeans are a bunch of horny perverts. I can assure you that I, and no other European I know personally, think it is appropriate for a 43 year old to have intercourse with a 13 year old even if they consented. I mean, age of consent laws differ across Europe and aren't always as strict as they are in America but that doesn't mean our sexual morals are wildly different. And what enrages me is is, this isn't the first time I've heard an American bring up the differing sexual morals in Europe in an attempt to justify statutory rape in America. It's f**king sick.

8 hours ago, Bio said:

Girl. It was 1977. Stop.

People knew this was wrong in 1977, as much as they knew today. What on earth on you going on about? And just because something happened a long time ago, that makes it ok? Can you hear yourself say this?

2 hours ago, ShockPop said:

13 year old girls in the UK at least, are very aware of what they are doing.

I'm from the UK and heard many shocking tales of underage sex in my time and even back then, it scared me how naive these girls were being. Some of them were doing it without protection and putting themselves at all kinds of risks and didn't even think of the risks. Even I, the virgin, knew more than they did. It was always the way that the most uneducated about sex were actually doing it. They may know what they're doing physically but that doesn't meant that they're taking all the right precautions. It's scary how many young people still believe in myths like "you can't get pregnant if it's your first time," "you can't get pregnant if the guy pulls out before he cums," "you can't get pregnant if you pee just after sex," "you can't get pregnant if you have sex just before or after your period,"  "a polythene bag works just as well as a condom," etc. These myths among the young are precisely why underage pregnancy happens. In most cases, it's not until some girls become adults that they realise how the relationship they had in their teens with a much older guy was abuse because they realise now how much older and wiser they are. I remember I read a teenage book way back about a 14 year old who has an affair with her teacher in this 20's and I re-read it years later and was shocked at how badly the author handled the subject matter, never painting the teacher as the clear predator he was and not having the school deal with it according to legislation. I decided to look up reviews for it to see if anyone else felt the same as me. As it turned out, there were a lot of other women who, just like me, had read the book in their teens but now read it as an adult a few short years later and was shocked at how creepy this story was and how bad an influence it was on any teenage girls reading it. A lot of them said something like: "When I was 14, I had crushes on teachers and my friends and I fantasised about what it would be like if they came onto us but looking back on it, I can't believe how naive we were and I'm so glad our teachers never did this."

Also remember that it's easy to treat this all so clinically when you don't have and don't want children. As someone who does want a child one day, it really pains me to hear the sexual abuse of minors talked about in such a non-concerned way, as if childhood barely exists and they're merely mini-adults. If I ever have a child who ends up getting abused by a much older person, regardless of consent, I'll be ready to rip that perpatrator's head off.

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3 hours ago, ShockPop said:

Because kids are having sex. Duh.

Also, your sister is legally an adult now yet unable to make these decisions. This should tell you age doesn't define responsibility and proves my point.

well it proves both of our points  

kids are having sex without being aware of the consequences, lets not act like 13 year old Stacey from Thamesmead who smokes fags, listens to rap music loudly on the bus with her friends and talks back to her mother has a grip on reality

every person is different, some 13 year olds are intelligent and aware their actions have consequences but some are still way too immature to properly understand things like sex and relationships and your original point was that 13 year old girls in the UK are aware and you backed it up with the fact your niece is  

[ryanripley 86,575]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I'm from the UK and heard many shocking tales of underage sex in my time and even back then, it scared me how naive these girls were being. Some of them were doing it without protection and putting themselves at all kinds of risks and didn't even think of the risks. Even I, the virgin, knew more than they did. It was always the way that the most uneducated about sex were actually doing it. They may know what they're doing physically but that doesn't meant that they're taking all the right precautions. It's scary how many young people still believe in myths like "you can't get pregnant if it's your first time," "you can't get pregnant if the guy pulls out before he cums," "you can't get pregnant if you pee just after sex," "you can't get pregnant if you have sex just before or after your period,"  "a polythene bag works just as well as a condom," etc. These myths among the young are precisely why underage pregnancy happens. In most cases, it's not until some girls become adults that they realise how the relationship they had in their teens with a much older guy was abuse because they realise now how much older and wiser they are. I remember I read a teenage book way back about a 14 year old who has an affair with her teacher in this 20's and I re-read it years later and was shocked at how badly the author handled the subject matter, never painting the teacher as the clear predator he was and not having the school deal with it according to legislation. I decided to look up reviews for it to see if anyone else felt the same as me. As it turned out, there were a lot of other women who, just like me, had read the book in their teens but now read it as an adult a few short years later and was shocked at how creepy this story was and how bad an influence it was on any teenage girls reading it. A lot of them said something like: "When I was 14, I had crushes on teachers and my friends and I fantasised about what it would be like if they came onto us but looking back on it, I can't believe how naive we were and I'm so glad our teachers never did this."

Also remember that it's easy to treat this all so clinically when you don't have and don't want children. As someone who does want a child one day, it really pains me to hear the sexual abuse of minors talked about in such a non-concerned way, as if childhood barely exists and they're merely mini-adults. If I ever have a child who ends up getting abused by a much older person, regardless of consent, I'll be ready to rip that perpatrator's head off.

for the first time, we agree  

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38 minutes ago, ryanripley said:

well it proves both of our points  

kids are having sex without being aware of the consequences, lets not act like 13 year old Stacey from Thamesmead who smokes fags, listens to rap music loudly on the bus with her friends and talks back to her mother has a grip on reality

every person is different, some 13 year olds are intelligent and aware their actions have consequences but some are still way too immature to properly understand things like sex and relationships and your original point was that 13 year old girls in the UK are aware and you backed it up with the fact your niece is  

But should that mean they should raise the age of consent due to people like your sister or treat it case by case as all are different? It's a very grey area. There was a guy near me put on the register when he was 17 for sleeping with a 15 year old. The strictness of it is nuts.

However, I think the word "rape" should only apply when it's against their will. Regardless of whether you assume they are old enough to know - you can be manipulated after the age of consent.

Speaking as someone who was raped repeatedly for 6 years as a kid, saying some 13 year old who lied about her age was "raped" when she volunteered her body and pretended she was older... It's nothing like rape. I'll describe the bloody details and lifelong effects of rape for you if you like, and see if it matches up with a girl who thinks she's the shít.