Gaga's ambition "destroyed" her

[Edge Of Venus 731]

To me Gaga was always someone who wants to reach the top, who wants to be a part of the pinnacle legend squad (Elvis, MJ, Marilyn, Madge etc.). If you've followed her since TF you'll know what I mean. She studied them hard and she was literally the master of fame. She was on her way to that status and many of us thought so too. But it got to a point where her physical capacity couldn't handle her drive (BTW cancellations), then the ARTPOP betrayal and mismanagement shattered her goal. But she wasn't someone who would easily give up - she spent years and years restoring her image and building herself back up and I really think she had high expectations for Joanne commercially and critically speaking. While Joanne is a moderate success in the US, it didn't receive a universal love from critics or fans, radio still refuses to play her and the streaming generation kind of abandoned her. She rarely looks genuinely happy these days and obviously her body pain is a main reason but keep in mind that fibro is also psychologically related. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying she's flopping, but it's clear that she hasn't been a TOP artist since 2011 and I think it pains her to see other pop stars like Adele/Swift/Bey/Rih still maintaining their charting success. She's tried out literally EVERYTHING (dropping a commercial song like The Cure, campaigning for the Grammys etc.) but the results are underwhelming, which IMO still affects her emotionally. I just hope she can re-adjust her goal according to her own physical and mental health and stop pushing herself SO HARD. Her work schedule since 2016 has been too rigorous for someone who suffers from chronic pain.

[MercifulAir 860]

Do we Stan the same artist? 

[illbekind 1,316]

Sometimes, you can't make so many promises though. People will wait forever for you to fill them and you just can't. Hell, some people here are still perchedt for Americano Mariachi version.

[GagasPussy 312]

Gaga can easily become a major force on radio,streaming, and chart wise commercially with perfectly executed promotion, and singles that are catchy, relatable and follow the current music sound and climate. The Cure could have been a smash hit song had Gaga dropped decent budget video and actually promoted it with live performances.  IF She wants to become relevant and at the top. Gaga will have to make herself look good as she did during the Fame era. She needs Catchy pop tunes. Sex appeal. and some form of reliability to the public. Gaga does not have to abdondan her avante garde fashio nand theatriality. She just needs to not make overshadow her voice and her. She needs to establish a balance. 

Ultimately, Its up to Gaga to decide if she wants to be commercially successful and dominating the pop scene and pop culture again. Gaga is in her thirties and is a different human being than she was when she first entered the industry. When she first came out, she was a young aspiring pop star that wanted to change the pop music scene and make an impact with her visuals, fashion and music. he accomplished her objective and exceeded her expctactions. She is one of the best selling female musician of all time. One of the most awarded of all time.  She has nothing to prove or gain. At this point its safe to assume, charts mean nothing to her anymore. She is not trying to write hit songs or go number one anymore. She maid that clear through her song ARTPOP lyrics. Her actions. She put out a jazz album with Tony Bennette. After that, she has returned with a pop country folk influenced album different from the current mainstream sound at the time. She is not an artist that adapts to fit the norm and trends.

As much as I would want Gaga to rise to the height of fame and publicity that she recieved back during 2009-2011, I would much rather her focus on resting and addressing her health and physical complications. Her fibromalgya is becoming a big hindrance preventing her from completing tours. Gaga can always perform and release singles but a full worldwide tour where she has to perform and travel on foot might be too much for her to do and may not be the thing for her in the future.

[Alphaz 7,958]

She just doesn't care anymore, if she does, she would promote the hell out of Joanne

Because the only song she seem to promote was MR, and don't get me started with the music videos and the ARTPOP era mess

[NCgaga 4,324]

Eh...You're reaching at this point. First off. Gaga isn't "destroyed". Where I feel she may have made a slight mistake is changing her brand from Avant Garde" to Joanne. Will she continue to be a chameleon and change up on us? Probably. However, her worst point in her career was with ARTPOP. Everyone was Against her and the Album was a flop. Joanne wasn't a flop. She had a hit with Million Reasons. Her tributes are heavily regarded, and she did the Super Bowl. Her Performance of the National Anthem is now seen as the second vest female solo performance of the song. She won an Oscar. She is going to have a new movie come out. Her tour was sold out. Her career is no where near destroyed. I think some people tend to focus way too hard on the negative, and don't concentrate on the positives. She is often regarded as a true artist and vocalist and is very much respected now. I don't think it's fair to discredit the last couple years for her. It really has been a great two years in her career. 

[flynn99 538]

Wouldn't you rather a modern day artist be true to themselves and honest then follow the standards for a hit album/single. People need to get over the fact that she wasn;t who she was ten years ago, remember she started out being 20/21 and she is now 31. 10 Years changed a person's taste and personality a lot. Stop bringing her down. 'Her ambition destroyed her' no, nothing destroyed her, she grew as a person. Hell, I was a straight guy who was 5 10 years a go, I have changed a lot and so has Gaga as im sure you have too. Just keep this in mind, everyone changes.

[Tan Fei 1,324]

I feel shes not affected by the success of Joanne. In fact i feel she has learned and is contented with the level of success and her current status. Of cos shes happy if  the album performs better, if not shes satisfied . i dont think thats the main reason thats affecting her emotionally . It must be something else thats happening recently 

[Edge Of Venus 731]

7 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

Eh...You're reaching at this point. First off. Gaga isn't "destroyed". Where I feel she may have made a slight mistake is changing her brand from Avant Garde" to Joanne. Will she continue to be a chameleon and change up on us? Probably. However, her worst point in her career was with ARTPOP. Everyone was Against her and the Album was a flop. Joanne wasn't a flop. She had a hit with Million Reasons. Her tributes are heavily regarded, and she did the Super Bowl. Her Performance of the National Anthem is now seen as the second vest female solo performance of the song. She won an Oscar. She is going to have a new movie come out. Her tour was sold out. Her career is no where near destroyed. I think some people tend to focus way too hard on the negative, and don't concentrate on the positives. She is often regarded as a true artist and vocalist and is very much respected now. I don't think it's fair to discredit the last couple years for her. It really has been a great two years in her career. 

Who said her career is destroyed? I said her over-ambition has affected her mental and physical well-being. She has successfully saved her career and gained respect since 2015 but I don't think that's her end goal. She used to put too much stress on herself and in some ways I think she still does. 

[Edge Of Venus 731]

14 minutes ago, RudzXinc said:

She just doesn't care anymore, if she does, she would promote the hell out of Joanne

Because the only song she seem to promote was MR, and don't get me started with the music videos and the ARTPOP era mess

See, there're still fans who think she "didn't promote the hell out of Joanne". What was she doing from October 2016 to April 2017 then?

[ProdigyARTPOP 3,910]

Gaga is at a wonderful point in her career, yes she hasn’t sold 15 million albums but the market isn’t what it used to be. But the world loves her, she’s regarded as a legend, she’s always compared to either Beyoncé or to others like Elton or Tony, she’s in her own lane and I think she’s better than Top 40 tunes sometimes tbh. 

[Robo Ga 15,325]

20 minutes ago, Edge Of Venus said:

Her work schedule since 2016 has been too rigorous for someone who suffers from chronic pain.

 I agree with this part of your post the most. She needs to simplify her life and focus on one or two streams instead of trying to do everything. I don't think she should have taken on certain things (an extra season of AHS, so many tribute/award performances, so much travel, etc) and I think her team should have planned for longer breaks and fewer shows on the JWT considering her condition.  You're right that the same ambition that propelled her to the top also hurt her in the BTW era and still hurts her to this day, but I think it's too far to say that it destroyed her in any sense - she is just coming off of an incredible 2 years of successes that aren't chart-related and is largely viewed as a modern icon/legend, especially after the Superbowl. 

[Miel 15,009]

I agree with most of the first half of your post. I think she really did have an intense drive to reach the level of those "fame masters", but mostly in a way that is conducive to her art, which was also referencing the "art of fame" (I'm not sure if you agree with that or not, I'm just putting it out there).

That said, I don't think she was that **** about the success of Joanne, and on. I mean, yeah, she cares about putting her art into the world, hence the heavy (albeit different) promotion and success of the era.

However, I think, for the better or for the worse, she is growing more comfortable with herself as an artist, at least in the context of not caring about sacrificing artistry for the sake of a hit, or for the charts.

There's still a drive in her, that's very intense and still beyond her physical limitations, sometime- it has just changed and grown up.

[ANVEEROY 61,383]

But Gaga is obsessed with fame, and that's why she wrote two albums about it. The obsession might be not higher like before, but you can't say she doesn't care anymore about 'Fame'. Remember her career is based on how she redefined FAME. 

 

 

[Green Detox 2,779]

She's just trying to release and promote. She doesn't want to be seen as god like what you mean.