Madonna

[Xavier 0]

You're joking?

The media has always hated Madonna.

The media used to criticize her because she purposefully used to piss people off but it was always with a purpose.

While she may have haters, the media still builds her up as a legend no matter how drought of meaning her provocation and music has become. That is what I consider sucking dick.

You see her as a victim, I see her as someone whose recipe for press has ran thin lately.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Xavier

[craig 680]

1992: Erotica era. Divides opinion. Loses popularity. Album sales a relative “flopâ€. Madonna takes a ton of hate. Next, a huge hit with “Take a Bowâ€.

2003: American Life era. Divides opinion. Loses popularity. Album sales a relative “flopâ€. Madonna takes a ton of hate (including death threats to her and her family). Next, a huge hit with “Hung Upâ€.

2012: MDNA era. Divides opinion. Loses popularity. Album sales a relative “flopâ€. Madonna takes a ton of hate.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, right Madge?

I imagine her image will be rehabilitated again at some future point, but like previous setbacks she'll never completely recover all she lost commerically.

[DaEdgeOfGloryYo 0]

The media used to criticize her because she purposefully used to piss people off but it was always with a purpose.

While she may have haters, the media still builds her up as a legend no matter how drought of meaning her provocation and music has become. That is what I consider sucking dick.

You see her as a victim, I see her as someone whose recipe for press has ran thin lately.

Well, I mean, she is a legend. Sorry. Even though Michael was considered a child molester, nobody ever denied that he was a legend.

I definitely do NOT see Madonna as a victim btw. Neither does she. That's one of my favourite things about her: she never says sorry, and she never plays the victim.

But the fact remains that a lot of people have always hated her. This is nothing on Erotica. This was on bookshelves man haha.

Edited July 29, 2012 by DaEdgeOfGloryYo

[GlitterGrease 53]

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, right Madge?

I imagine her image will be rehabilitated again at some future point, but like previous setbacks she'll never completely recover all she lost commerically.

That's a good point.

[Xavier 0]

Well, I mean, she is a legend. Sorry. Even though Michael was considered a child molester, nobody ever denied that he was a legend.

I definitely do NOT see Madonna as a victim btw. Neither does she. That's one of my favourite things about her: she never says sorry, and she never plays the victim.

But the fact remains that a lot of people have always hated her. This is nothing on Erotica. This was on bookshelves man haha.

I'm not denying the fact that shes an icon. What i'm saying is that you're wrong about the media hating her. It's divided. They either love her or they love to hate her. Either way they don't really hate her.

The whole Erotica thing is a different animal entirely because that was at a very very different point in her career. You can't compare.

She was overexposed and on top of that promoting s-xuality in a way that made people uncomfortable. But it created a dialogue about censorship, morality, and whats considered acceptable therefore there was some justifiable meaning to the madness.

The criticism shes getting now is deserved because shes still heralded as an innovative thinker yet her 2 most recent albums/eras have been nothing short of frivolous. What is Madonna's actual worth on the current pop scene if shes not creating something thoughtful? Wheres the worth in her antics? I think she should just be a fabulous touring act like Janet Jackson or Cher. Instead of sullying her name with generic and forgettable music.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Xavier

[DaEdgeOfGloryYo 0]

I'm not denying the fact that shes an icon. What i'm saying is that you're wrong about the media hating her. It's divided. They either love her or they love to hate her. Either way they don't really hate her.

The whole Erotica thing is a different animal entirely because that was at a very very different point in her career. You can't compare.

She was overexposed and on top of that promoting s-xuality in a way that made people uncomfortable. But it created conversation about ethics and s-xuality therefore there was some justifiable meaning to the madness.

The criticism shes getting now is deserved because shes still heralded as an innovative thinker yet her 2 most recent albums/eras have been nothing short of frivolous. What is Madonna's actual worth on the current pop scene if shes not creating something thoughtful? I think she should just be a fabulous touring act like Janet Jackson or Cher. Instead of sullying her name with generic and forgettable music.

But she IS still creating thoughtful things. That's her job as an artist: to get people talking. And people are certainly doing that in spades this era: whether good or bad. This tour has been her most controversial since 1993. They talk about ageism (boob flash) and s-xist ageism now with her. Or the Marine Le Pen incident which blew up and got people talking. Most recently the guns thing -- she's being criticized for not changing her show after the theatre shooting. Some say she should some say she shouldn't.

I'd argue she's getting more people talking (good or bad it doesn't matter with artists) than she did with Confessions on a Dance Floor which seems to be everybody's favourite Madonna album but contains zero intellectuality or thoughts but is still a fun dance album.

Edited July 29, 2012 by DaEdgeOfGloryYo

[Xavier 0]

But she IS still creating thoughtful things. That's her job as an artist: to get people talking. And people are certainly doing that in spades this era: whether good or bad. They talk about ageism (boob flash) and s-xist ageism now with her. Or the Marine Le Pen incident which blew up and got everyone talking.

I'd argue she's getting more people talking (good or bad it doesn't matter with artists) than she did with Confessions on a Dance Floor which seems to be everybody's favourite Madonna album but contains zero intellectuality or thoughts but is still a fun dance album.

To say what shes doing now is getting everyone talking is a definite overstatement.

Sure, ageism is brought up because shes of the few 53 year old women actually down to create a record intended for the ever-youthful Top 40. But, she hasn't actually created a dialogue about it. The most shes done is flash her nipple and do cartwheels on stage at the Superbowl.

And the only discussions that were made regarding Marine Le Pen were that it was a blatant attempt to shock people.

To be honest, ever since American Life's failure shes only attempted to make "fun dance records". Confessions, Candy, and MDNA were all created with the intent of being fun. But, theres a difference between them because Confessions has the quality that MDNA lacks both in production and subject matter.

Edited July 29, 2012 by Xavier

[DaEdgeOfGloryYo 0]

To say what shes doing now is getting everyone talking is a definite overstatement.

Sure, ageism is brought up because shes 53 and she chooses to make frivolous pop fluff. But, she hasn't actually created a dialogue about it. The most shes done is flash her nipple and do cartwheels on stage at the Superbowl.

And the only discussions that were made regarding Marine Le Pen were that it was a blatant attempt to shock people.

Of/c I'm superfluent when I say "everyone", I just mean people are definitely talking. There are 1000s of comments on all articles about these controversies.

But, hasn't she? She undresses in Turkey, a largely Muslim country. I feel like it speaks for itself. Plus the song is "Human Nature" with lyrics: "Would it be better if I were a man? You're the one with the problem. Deal with it." I think the message is very clear. She's doing as she's always done even though people expect her to change as she ages. That is the simplest way to fire back at ageism.

To be honest, ever since American Life's failure shes only attempted to make "fun dance records". Confessions, Candy, and MDNA were all created with the intent of being fun. But, theres a difference between all of them because Confessions has the quality that MDNA lacks both in production and subject matter.

I think the singles of MDNA have been very fluffy but many of the album tracks are more serious and thoughtful imo, moreso than COADF. "Falling Free", "Love Spent", "Gang Bang", "Best Friend", "I ****ed Up," even "I Don't Give A". They're about the divorce.

I notice that Madonna eras are always looked at differently in time. The same thing you're saying was said about American Life and Erotica. I wonder if 10 years from now we'll be like "ugh, why can't she make statements again like the MDNA tour?"

Edited July 29, 2012 by DaEdgeOfGloryYo

[Xavier 0]

Of/c I'm superfluent when I say "everyone", I just mean people are definitely talking. There are 1000s of comments on all articles about these controversies.

But, hasn't she? She flashes her boob in Turkey, a largely Muslim country, I feel like it speaks for itself. Plus the song is "Human Nature" with lyrics: "Would it be better if I were a man? You're the one with the problem. Deal with it." I think the message is very clear. She's doing as she's always done even though people expect her to change as she ages. That is the simplest way to fire back at ageism.

I think the singles of MDNA have been very fluffy but many of the album tracks are more serious and thoughtful imo, moreso than COADF. "Falling Free", "Love Spent", "Gang Bang", "Best Friend", "I ****ed Up," even "I Don't Give A". They're about the divorce.

I just feel like Madonna eras are always looked at differently in time. The same thing you're saying was said about American Life and Erotica. I wonder if 10 years from now we'll be like "ugh, why can't she make statements again like with the MDNA tour?"

They won't. Erotica is a special album. You know theres a reason American Life is still not looked back upon as an underrated classic. The same will happen to MDNA because it literally isn't that great of a pop album.

Just because she veiled generic songs on her album with vague mentionings of her divorce doesn't make it a statement.

[DaEdgeOfGloryYo 0]

They won't. Erotica is a special album. You know theres a reason American Life is still not looked back upon as an underrated classic. The same will happen to MDNA because it literally isn't that great of a pop album.

Just because she veiled generic songs on her album with vague mentionings of her divorce doesn't make it a statement.

AL is a fan favourite. lol just ask Beyoncé

How is Gang Bang in any way generic? Or Falling Free? Vague mentionings lmao "you were so mad at me, who's got custody, lawyers suck it up, didn't have a prenup" "How did you end up with all my jack, bang bang shot my lover in the head."

Hate to say it, but what conversation has Gaga started lately? Because the last truly thought provoking piece I remember people discussing was the meat dress. Very little of the BTW era qualifies -- her **** used to get everyone talking, and now?

Sorry, just being real.

Edited July 29, 2012 by DaEdgeOfGloryYo

[Arturo 40,746]

I was looking through Billboard magazine archives and I found Madonna's first mention in a billboard magazine in November 1982.

http://books.google.com/books?id=7SMEAAAAMBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_all_issues_r&cad=1&output=embed&allissues=1

"Everybody" was #10 on the Dance/Disco chart.

seach "Madonna" in the search box.

Just thought I'd share it with you guys. Little did they know that the future Queen of Pop was on that chart :cry:

[Nullvoid 71]

She spent years and years in the spotlight with the media and the public sucking her dick.

Her new music as well as her recent attempts at provocation are sub-par.

She deserves the negative criticisms honestly.

She doesn't deserve this but like a true Queen she keeps on going and NOTHING will stop her.....

[Chucky 39]

I've come to loathe the word queen now.

On another note, I posted something on fb the other day about Madonna and songwriting and a fan retaliated with;

"She's too busy ruling the world to write every song!".

What kind of "argument" is that?

[PopBitch 1,218]

Madonna threw a lot of generic songs or vocals on MDNA, but there are true gems on this album. Masterpiece moves me, and she performs it beautifully live. Love Spent is a quality song. I love both versions and will be on my playlist for years to come. Falling Free is

really beautiful in a dreamy sort of way and sad. Gang Bang is an original sounding track that I love. I ****ed Up is very sad with a sweet melody and I love the sweeping instrumental in it. I'm Addicted is a great electronica sing. Beautiful Killer is a cool song. Superstar may be generic but it has such a sweetness to it. Turn Up the Radio is a song I have enjoyed. Girl Gone Wild would be a great dance pop song, if she hadn't chosen to lay down her vocals in the way she did and if there was better production on it, Generic as it is, it's still a fun song. I have a soft spot for Give Me All Ur Luv.

The problem on the album is the lack of strong, recognizable Madonna vocals in many songs and some really generic songs, but you can't color this whole album as generic at all.

[Ozzy8923 9]

Well, I just watched the Turn Up the Radio video and it was nice at best. The Girl Gone Wild video was FAR better. Looks-wise Madonna looks great and I LOVE the make-up and hair and outfit. No complaints there. The song itself is probably my least favorite on the record, after Superstar. I can honestly say that I hope to dear God that Madonna never works with Martin Solveig and focuses on working with William Orbit because it's pretty clear that the best songs on MDNA were produced by him and his productions are innovative and polished and suit each song perfectly. With more modern production technology, imagine what they can do together. Love Spent is fantastic. Benny and Ale Benassi are just basic dance music producers that can be easily replaced. So, in other words, the only producer on MDNA that is worth keeping in William Orbit and for all the right reasons.