ALL Charts Discussion

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On 4/1/2018 at 1:03 AM, ArtGagaPop said:

Also not chart related but my mom watched ff2 and gagas superbowl peformance for the first time yesterday (She used to dislike gaga back in the day around tfm/btw but still quite liked her music on radio), and she loved both of them and seems to think gaga as a whole new person now . She liked it so much that she told my dad that he needed to see the superbowl peformance since it was so good and she also wanted to rewatch the whole documentary again with him

Joannega keeps winning people over from every generation 

Little late on reading this but it is really amazing how much people’s opinion of her has done a complete 180% in the past two years. My friends would NEVER let me play her let alone them player her on their own time. After Joanne, SB51, The Cure, 5F2, and the JWT, it’s like 24/7 praise. I will get in their cars and she’ll be playing more often than not. Not just Joanne either. My one friend fell in love with Scheiße after the show and another reluctantly admits that Telephone and Do What U Want are bops and he plays them pretty regularly. 

Gaga is truly a culture in herself  

[TEANUS 15,085]

Sorry y’all I also missed the talk about about Joanne’s single choices

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again: Perfect Illusion was a perfectly fine choice as lead single, it’s short, catchy, repetitive, and it’s production was a little of a throwback. People love throwbacks when it’s a good product. People truly did not hear Perfect Illusion enough at the right times. Gaga/ the label did not put enough effort forth for it. Million Reasons was PUSHED and look what happened, against all odds she got another top 5 hit. Don’t come at me with “omg MR would’ve flopped without the Super Bowl”. While you may be right, MR sold well every time it was promoted, the label wasn’t pushing it enough to radio and streaming, its sales front did well EVERY time it received exposure. Perfect Illusion would’ve done the same. With a VMAs release, music video the same week, as a Spotify push, it would’ve been too 5 it’s first week, that exposure would’ve trickled down. 

Follow up with MR for SB like they did (it could’ve been released closer to the event with PI having a longer run into the album release), then JW in March, The Cure in June, and Dancin In Circles in August. Seethe y’all

[Johncayse 2,490]

3 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

Sorry y’all I also missed the talk about about Joanne’s single choices

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again: Perfect Illusion was a perfectly fine choice as lead single, it’s short, catchy, repetitive, and it’s production was a little of a throwback. People love throwbacks when it’s a good product. People truly did not hear Perfect Illusion enough at the right times. Gaga/ the label did not put enough effort forth for it. Million Reasons was PUSHED and look what happened, against all odds she got another top 5 hit. Don’t come at me with “omg MR would’ve flopped without the Super Bowl”. While you may be right, MR sold well every time it was promoted, the label wasn’t pushing it enough to radio and streaming, its sales front did well EVERY time it received exposure. Perfect Illusion would’ve done the same. With a VMAs release, music video the same week, as a Spotify push, it would’ve been too 5 it’s first week, that exposure would’ve trickled down. 

Follow up with MR for SB like they did (it could’ve been released closer to the event with PI having a longer run into the album release), then JW in March, The Cure in June, and Dancin In Circles in August. Seethe y’all

[TEANUS 15,085]

2 minutes ago, Johncayse said:

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17 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

Sorry y’all I also missed the talk about about Joanne’s single choices

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again: Perfect Illusion was a perfectly fine choice as lead single, it’s short, catchy, repetitive, and it’s production was a little of a throwback. People love throwbacks when it’s a good product. People truly did not hear Perfect Illusion enough at the right times. Gaga/ the label did not put enough effort forth for it. Million Reasons was PUSHED and look what happened, against all odds she got another top 5 hit. Don’t come at me with “omg MR would’ve flopped without the Super Bowl”. While you may be right, MR sold well every time it was promoted, the label wasn’t pushing it enough to radio and streaming, its sales front did well EVERY time it received exposure. Perfect Illusion would’ve done the same. With a VMAs release, music video the same week, as a Spotify push, it would’ve been too 5 it’s first week, that exposure would’ve trickled down. 

Follow up with MR for SB like they did (it could’ve been released closer to the event with PI having a longer run into the album release), then JW in March, The Cure in June, and Dancin In Circles in August. Seethe y’all

I can't say your theory isn't possible because anything is possible, but the thing is Perfect Illusion doesnt have the same "basic adult contemporary border-lining on country" appeal that MR does which is what made MR have so much potential at smashing in the first place. It doesn't even have the "gay club bop that everyone can enjoy" appeal either. Its kind of an anomaly both within her own discography and within the current top 40 sphere. Whats throwback about it? Idk...I think truly her vocals hold it back the most, maybe if she sang with less of an affectation I could've seen it growing on people more. But as is its very divisive, you have to like really drill it in yourself to take a liking to it and even now im not quite sure if i like it because its good or because im so obsessed with her that I made myself get into it.

Also dancin' in circles can choke

[TEANUS 15,085]

8 minutes ago, Inferno said:

I can't say your theory isn't possible because anything is possible, but the thing is Perfect Illusion doesnt have the same "basic adult contemporary border-lining on country" appeal that MR does which is what made MR have so much potential at smashing in the first place. It doesn't even have the "gay club bop that everyone can enjoy" appeal either. Its kind of an anomaly both within her own discography and within the current top 40 sphere. Whats throwback about it? Idk...I think truly her vocals hold it back the most, maybe if she sang with less of an affectation I could've seen it growing on people more. But as is its very divisive, you have to like really drill it in yourself to take a liking to it and even now im not quite sure if i like it because its good or because im so obsessed with her that I made myself get into it.

Also dancin' in circles can choke

To me, the song’s sound lies somewhere between The Beatles, classic rock, and Uptown Funk, with a little dash of disco. It’s definitely not a modern sound. 

Nothing Gaga has ever done lies within the current sphere of Top 40. The Cure is the closest thing and even that has its own twists that take it a step away from everything else

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4 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

To me, the song’s sound lies somewhere between The Beatles, classic rock, and Uptown Funk, with a little dash of disco. It’s definitely not a modern sound. 

Nothing Gaga has ever done lies within the current sphere of Top 40. The Cure is the closest thing and even that has its own twists that take it a step away from everything else

Mmm I guess so yeah, it has this psychedelic pop edge that kind of goes unnoticed.

[RadioIsOurs 13,876]

Have we all given up on Your Song yet?

[Mister Gaga 22,924]

56 minutes ago, TEANUS said:

Perfect Illusion was a perfectly fine choice as lead single, it’s short, catchy, repetitive, and it’s production was a little of a throwback. People love throwbacks when it’s a good product. People truly did not hear Perfect Illusion enough at the right times. Gaga/ the label did not put enough effort forth for it.

the delusion. The song is the opposite of radio friendly. The song is gaga screaming non stop for 3 minutes. MR was pushed once it showed potential. PI did not. Remember when Gaga did literally 100 radio appearances once PI dropped, and even though the track was played, the GP did not eat it? It had the worst call outs and scorings of the whole Top 40.

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PI had a 34 or 36 Million audience and sold half of what The Cure sold with like 12M(?) I can't remember but yeah. Also The Cure had no hype at all...

Anyways, objectively PI was not a good idea and imo is Gaga's worst single to date. It also is the worst song on Joanne album to me.

But I've said this a billion times, also there's the call out scores and all just get over it.

[LGMonster95 13,704]

PI is a very good song but as a radio single it was something very different but anyway is not like something from Joanne could have done the same like Million Reasons, aka the only song that really did something, thank god that she actually didn't lose hope on it. 

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PI is a good song that should of remained an album track or promo song. It had no business being a single let alone a lead single. Her vocals are too sharp and raw and the song as a whole was just loud. A great fantastic song to work out to or rage out to but NOT a single and no matter how much of a performance push or w/e it got it wouldn't have done that much better lol. The thought that it could of been in any shape or form a proper top 5 hit is absurd. We need to let the idea of it being a hit go...it is a quality BOP that is unique and different and divisive and takes time getting used to but the GP won't listen to a song 30 times just to finally start warming up to it lol. That's not what a hit is made of (sadly). 

[PerfectGUY 7,822]

7 hours ago, TEANUS said:

Sorry y’all I also missed the talk about about Joanne’s single choices

I’ll say it once and I’ll say it again: Perfect Illusion was a perfectly fine choice as lead single, it’s short, catchy, repetitive, and it’s production was a little of a throwback. People love throwbacks when it’s a good product. People truly did not hear Perfect Illusion enough at the right times. Gaga/ the label did not put enough effort forth for it. Million Reasons was PUSHED and look what happened, against all odds she got another top 5 hit. Don’t come at me with “omg MR would’ve flopped without the Super Bowl”. While you may be right, MR sold well every time it was promoted, the label wasn’t pushing it enough to radio and streaming, its sales front did well EVERY time it received exposure. Perfect Illusion would’ve done the same. With a VMAs release, music video the same week, as a Spotify push, it would’ve been too 5 it’s first week, that exposure would’ve trickled down. 

Follow up with MR for SB like they did (it could’ve been released closer to the event with PI having a longer run into the album release), then JW in March, The Cure in June, and Dancin In Circles in August. Seethe y’all

EXACTLY my thoughts from start to finish, I stan

[PerfectGUY 7,822]

NONE of my friend liked PI at first (unlike me )

But I made them listen to it again and again, and now it's their favourite Gaga song for ALL OF THEM

I mean, sure MR is an easier choice as it clicked faster to all the people I know (and that's why I think it was perfect as a 2nd single). PI needed to be the lead to get as much spotlight as it needed.
But PI was a great single choice. It was an ambitious one that would've done amazingly, only if heavily promoted. It was a hit or miss. Interscope should've gone all in with this one and it would've exploded everywhere. It's the kind of song that NEEDS to be heard a lot of time for people not only to like it, but to love it. 

So yes, smart single choice but very poor handling 

 

I mean, yes a 'bop' are what become easily hits. But each HUGE SMASH in music history are something that stood out and was different, and that's what Gaga is all about. But just like everything different, people reject it at first until they embrace it when they realise it's good.
Gaga doesn't care about having hundreds of littles cute hits

Spoiler

I mean no shade but who will rihmember Needed Me and This Is What You Came For in 10 years ? 

 she's here to make a change and to redefine music and that takes ambitious singles (which she has) but also ambitious marketing plans (...)

[TEANUS 15,085]

You all say what you want but I don’t have a GP friend that doesn’t pick PI as one of their faves from Gaga