Ziggy 11,870 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, FABian said: Its silly of you to say that you cannot voice your opinion just because you're not black yourself. Everyone and anyone is entitled to their own opinion on a subject, and to be able to voice said opinion. Otherwise, there would be no real discource happening. PS: telling OP to look In the mirror is not a valid answer to the question of 'why' When people say that someone can’t voice their opinion on a matter they mean that they can’t render an opinion that exhibits any sense of authority on it. The idea is that if you haven’t experienced that thing or at the very bare minimum listened extensively to the words of those who have then how on earth are you possibly in a position to make a statement? It’s like when women say men need to stop policing their bodies. Men are not women and therefore how is it possibly fair for us to say what is it isn’t right for the female body with special regards to birth control or pregnancy. We have to do neither so it seems a little presumptuous and condescending to elicit an opinion when said opinion won’t have an impact on us and is formed from a place of ignorance. In regards to this post, no non-black person is going to understand what it feels like to be called with n-word or hear others use it (and when I say this I mean from anyone— those who both mind and don’t mind its usage). As such, our opinion as to whether or not it should be allowed usage is really rich considering it has no impact on us and never has. Can you say your opinion? Sure. Is it very respectful in the least? No, it isn’t. Societies and civilizations are built on respect and understanding. So when people ask me what I might think about this word being used, I’d say “Well, it isn’t my place to say, but what I’ve heard from members of the black community is that...” Everyone has an opinion, yes, but sometimes it isn’t always necessary to clumsily blurt it out when it’s an opinion that isn’t really being called for. Taking the mature high ground and respecting those around you should be a priority. For things like this, I think deferring to what those who are affected by this and thus have relevant opinions say is best, but that’s just me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uo111 5,265 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 16 hours ago, Cruzifix said: Am I the only one that doesn’t have an issue with the N****? The modern use for said word is not rotted to the original meaning. It’s essentially slang for “homie”. I think it’s extremely unnecessary to dictate who can say what. No, you aren’t the only one who lacks social awareness and empathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicixs 3,465 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 9 hours ago, WokePop said: well. I for instance think it's extremely unnecessary for you to voice your opinion on what it does not concern you at all. you don't have an issue with the N word because it's irrelevant to your caucasian rear. and nor does it matter if you actually had one because your opinion is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. and if you ask yourself. "OH MY GAWD BUT WHYYYYYYYYY?" just look in the mirror and you'll see the answer. "The modern use for said word is not rotted to the original meaning", says the white guy. dude I seriously suggest you say n* to a black person and use this same argument you just beautifully typed in to justify your action. please do try it and don't forget to let us know it turned out. lmao. I’m not white, though. Religion is a product to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicixs 3,465 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Trepadation said: Didn't you say you use both? Lol Yes, I did. However, it’s something that my black friends use with me and against me in the same I do towards them. My Middle Eastern friends also throw around the term Sand N*****. It’s simply a matter of comfort within our groups. We simply find it comedic instead of offensive. Religion is a product to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicixs 3,465 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Slayer said: It's the last word that some black people heard before they were strung up on trees and hanged for being black. It is absolutely rooted to its original meaning. Black people may have claimed the word to weaken its power over them, but that doesn't mean white people can use it. The fact white people use it at all is just another example of cultural appropriation at its worst: taking from other cultures because it seems cool, normalising it, claiming ownership of it, and erasing the true meaning of it. Our race has a lot to answer for. I think we can live without using the n word. It's the least we can do. I can see where you’re coming from, but I’ve spoken about Cultular Appropriation and simply don’t believe in it. I’m Hispanic. Just wanna point that out so I don’t get called a “Caucasian mess” Religion is a product to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicixs 3,465 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, uo111 said: No, you aren’t the only one who lacks social awareness and empathy. I wouldn’t say I’m socially unaware. I’ve grown up in a city where race never really mattered. Yes, we may have that one neo-nazi that thinks they’re high and mighty, but I’ve always been surrounded by people of so many backgrounds and cultures. I’m friends with so many different people and we’ve always felt life was about living and laughing. (It’s a cliche, I know.) We constantly crack jokes in their most extreme form. And never once batted an eyelash when we played on stereotypes. Its simply a matter of comfort between ourselves and the people around us. However, as another lovely user told me, I cannot expect everyone to have the same comfort as me. So I have lacked empathy for this subject in specific. Religion is a product to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 9,027 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 56 minutes ago, Cruzifix said: I wouldn’t say I’m socially unaware. I’ve grown up in a city where race never really mattered. Yes, we may have that one neo-nazi that thinks they’re high and mighty, but I’ve always been surrounded by people of so many backgrounds and cultures. I’m friends with so many different people and we’ve always felt life was about living and laughing. (It’s a cliche, I know.) We constantly crack jokes in their most extreme form. And never once batted an eyelash when we played on stereotypes. Its simply a matter of comfort between ourselves and the people around us. However, as another lovely user told me, I cannot expect everyone to have the same comfort as me. So I have lacked empathy for this subject in specific. That’s all well and good, but it’s also YOUR unique experience and perspective. The rest of the world may not be as nonchalant and lax on the use of the word, and you should respect that. Especially if you’re not a POC. Also, claiming to not see color is racist in itself. We’re living in a time where we all need to see color, and recognize the systematic racism that exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorrgh 679 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 19 hours ago, Cruzifix said: I’m American. I live in the Midwest. The friendships that I have with other people of color (I’m Hispanic) includes the casual use of words such as N****, N*****, and F*****. We have a philosophy that by using such terms. in a comedic form, we are, in turn, ridding said words of their power. Not only that, but a huge majority of the POC I know use the term N**** with their non-POC friends. I honestly feel everyone’s become too sensitive. I’m also from the Midwest and my white friends would never use the word with me no matter if it was meant to be malicious or not. It’s disrespectful regardless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorrgh 679 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 19 hours ago, Borislshere said: I'm speaking 100% from experience. IT's usually non black people thinking they know they most about black issues and are always telling us what we can and can't do when it comes to handling them Thissssss you are so woke!!! Say it again for the people in the back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicixs 3,465 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 42 minutes ago, JohnnyVersace said: That’s all well and good, but it’s also YOUR unique experience and perspective. The rest of the world may not be as nonchalant and lax on the use of the word, and you should respect that. Especially if you’re not a POC. Also, claiming to not see color is racist in itself. We’re living in a time where we all need to see color, and recognize the systematic racism that exists. I'm a POC, though. And that's your opinion. I believe setting aside our differences and just seeing each other as a regular person. Doesn't Gaga peach unity and the fact that loves wins over hate? I just feel that by spreading love we can, at the very least, affect the community around us. Religion is a product to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromatislaps 34,851 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 they are ruining their YT careers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 12 hours ago, WokePop said: just cause it doesn't have an audience doesn't make it or him, or his friends less shitty. they're all ****. Well the only reason not to use it is if it would offend the people who would hear it, like i have some black friends who hate it and dont use or like to hear the word because they were extremely discriminated against in their school. I see no problem with using the word if the intent is not racist or is not a problem for the people its being said to. Sorry this was kinda long Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 9,027 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Cruzifix said: I'm a POC, though. And that's your opinion. I believe setting aside our differences and just seeing each other as a regular person. Doesn't Gaga peach unity and the fact that loves wins over hate? I just feel that by spreading love we can, at the very least, affect the community around us. Sorry, wasn't saying you weren't a POC, but your tone is common among white people as well. Basically saying that because they don't see color, it's ok to use racial slurs and jokes in a positive way. I completely agree in spreading love and positivity and being open minded, but unfortunately that only goes so far. We're in a critical time of race relations, and positivity doesn't fix it. Activism, awareness and movement does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCgaga 4,324 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Some of you people trying to discredit people and say they are “trash” just because they don’t understand how it’s offensive. The truth: the reason why people who aren’t black are more comfortable using the n word, is because of black people- more specific, the rap game. Rap’s biggest audience is people who aren’t black. Rap music throws around the n word in “everyday casual rhetoric”. Even in person a lot( not all) black people call each other the n word. In a lot of friend circles black people have no problem with their friends who aren’t black, using the n word in comedic or casual rhetoric. All this APPROVAL has led to the fact that the word is losing it’s historical negativite relevance. The problem here, is he black people, or anyone who finds this word still offensive, are still being offended, and rightfully so. But don’t get mad at white people, hispanics, Asians, etc.. it needs to be unacceptable in the in the black community, in black music, in black hollywood- for it to really, truly be unacceptable. You can’t say something over and over and over, and make it become so regular- then, magically be offended when young people start using it. The word is casually everywhere- and the loss of its historical relevance is because of black people. Mad want so badly to be outraged at the Paul brothers, when they aren’t the ones who have caused this Cultural problem. Hold the real people accountable. If you use the word casually, I don’t give a **** if you are black. This is your fault. This is a problem you need to be held accountable for. Stop using the word. If you use it, then you truly aren’t really offended by it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsterPaws 2,731 Posted January 6, 2018 Share Posted January 6, 2018 Sadly, no one will care and will start "raising conversations" about how the N word shouldn't be offensive anymore, or some bullshit like that. This is just sad tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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