Lorde cancels Israel Show

[PerfectGUY 7,822]

19 hours ago, CrazyMonster said:

I was talking about the Jews from Europe not the Jews from Arab countries. I thought Israel was for the Jews from Europe as a "reparation" for the genocide. I don't know, this whole thing confuses me, the more I'm trying to understand and learn about this the more I'm lost.

The thing is that, for more than 5000 years the land of Israël (not the country because there wasn't one at the time) was mostly a place where jews lived. They have lived there for 5000 years but never got the chance to call it their 'state'. After WW2, the UN decided to let them build an actual (reaaallyyy small) state on the land they were living on for more than 5000 so that they can feel safe and have a place to go if they ever feel threatened again. Indeed, jews have always been on the run since they're chased anywhere they go every 70-ish years. 

 

However, it happened that the Iand where part of the jews lived (Israel nowadays) was a property of the Palestinian state. However they used to let jews live there (indeed the land is really poor economically speaking - few ressources, it was just plain desert). Once the Israel state was declared, it didn't really change things as the majority of people living there already were jewish people. However, they have turned this ridiculously small desert state into an attractive one, building cities and creating a lot of infrastructures with ressources. 

 

At the sight of that, the palestinian state wanted to take back the territory as they realised it had potential economically speaking. Since then, Israel was attacked a loooott of times by all the arab countries surrounding it. Israel has won every war, but each time, they would take advantage of these wars to extend their land. 

So there's two problems :

- the fact that the arab countries don't want to acknowledge the existence of Israël, a legitimate state, and that they keep attacking the state

- the fact that Israel has taken advantage of these wars to extend their land, therefore having 'colonies' - israelis living on arab territories. 

 

At this point, the situation was relatively simple and peace was possible. 
However, Palestine became a very instable place politically speaking. So 2 governments emerged : a normal one, and Hamas. Hamas is an extreme Islamic government which is not planning to make peace with Israel and want to destroy the state. They have since then made countless terrorist attacks on Israel. They continuously send people killing citizens with knifes, or cars. In 2013, Hamas kept secretly constructing tunnels between Gaza (part of the land disputed between Israel and Palestine) and Israel. They kidnapped Israelis citizens through those tunnels. And they were planning to invade the country on Yom Kippour (the holiest day in the jewish religion, everybody is supposed to rest and have a saint day) and use the febrility and the holy aspect of this day to make the most damage possible. Hopefully, a few days before, Israël found out about this and destroyed a few tunnels. Hamas is in touch with ISIS. They have killed a lot of representatives of the other 'normal' Palestinian government. They kill the palestinians that are not ready to be brainwashed. They bomb schools, kitten gardens, hospitals in both Israel and Palestine and put it as Israëls fault in the media. It's proven that they have slaughtered their own people violently to accuse Israel in the media. They're nowadays considered as a terrorist organisation by both the USA and the European Union. 

 

Now as you can see there's problems on both sides. The government in Israel is too much right winged (israelis have been trying to elect a more left sided candidate) so they are not ready to let go the colonies. But on the other side, the terrorist organisation Hamas have to be settled down, and Palestinians people are kinda brainwashed and don't acknowledge Israël, and cultivate violent hatred towards Israelis. 

 

Now this conflict also is not accurate in the global vision as it's reallyyyy manipulated by the media. Of course the colonies are not legitimate, but we always see circulate on Twitter etc... pictures of palestinians violently beaten off by 'Israelis soldiers' when those pictures are most of the time fake af : they're taken from the Syrian, Afghanistan conflicts. So the world perceives the Israeli army as a reaalllyyy violent one when it's not (even if they do unfair things). On the contrary you can easily find videos where they help palestinians who are hurt etc... 

Also, more than 30% of the Israeli population is in fact arabic (muslim), and they have the right to vote etc... Fun fact : Arab Israelis have more rights than arabs in any other Arab country. 

So there's no hate from the Israeli population or whatever. 

 

Now, for Lorde. She surely has been manipulated by the 'violences' she has seen on the news and was the object of pressures from people on twitter (most of them are pro-palestine). I'm not saying who's right or who's wrong but she shouldn't have cancelled the show as she has true fans in Israel who bought tickets and should probably feel very confused.  Moreover, performing there wouldn't change anything to the conflict and vice versa, not performing either. 

Also, I found it very hypocritical that she refuses to perform in Israel for 'human rights reasons' when she performs 2 times in Russia, where's there's an actual LGBT genocide happening in Chechnya. Israel is the only country in Middle East where LGBT can live legally. Tel Aviv also has one of the biggest gay-pride in the world... Tel Aviv isn't a political city at all and shouldn't have nothing to do with the conflict etc... 

Gaga went to Tel Aviv for the artRAVE and the Cheek To Cheek Tour, pleased her fans there and left, nothing happened really. The UN can't resolve the problem, I don't think Lorde can.

 

Spoiler

It's funny how all of you keep defending Palestine so much. If you went there (assuming you're gay cause we're on Gaga Daily after all) and you kissed a guy you'd probably get bad commentaries and you criticise the only state supporting gay rights in the Middle-East... 

⇒ you guys should watch this channel : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc4iogeOUXNw1RZSNTOlMeg

they don't take sides in the conflict, but just ask both Israelis and Palestinians about society issues. 

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2 hours ago, Melech said:

Sis. 

The 1947 Aden riots were three days of violence in which Aden's Jewish community was violently attacked by members of the Yemeni Arab community

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Aden_riots

Almost 100 jews died there. 

This was a riot protesting the creation of the Israeli state. If that would have not happened, then the 75 Jews would not have died. Get your information straight and stop twisting things.

At this point in time, I'm 100% for a two state solution. Having Israel or palestine disappear from the map just ain't an option anymore.

[Naor Daniel 937]

On 12/25/2017 at 1:26 PM, LetsGetHigh said:

It would be off topic but let me surprise you, I love surprises. First off, Israel is built on a stolen land that belongs to Palestine. That's number one. Number two, Israel is trash to the countries surrounding it. Stealing land and settling on that isn't enough it seems for Israel, they still seem to want to steal more land and oil and break the international laws no matter what. They have no respect to people's rights and I have no respect to anyone who even remotely supports such a disgusting state. 

And I know you Melech, you're gonna call me anti-semite. Make sure you notice how I'm bashing the state, not the people in it. Don't make a mistake. 

SURPRISE! 

First of all, Israel is built on Jewish land and Jewish history actually exists there. 

I would like you to show me the Palestinian history on this land, what is the Palestinian language? What were their coins? Who were their kings? And since when did they come to be?

I would also like you to explain how is Israel more stolen than:

Asian Russia

Tibet

New Zealand (quite ironically)

Australia

Argentina

Brazil

USA

Canada

 

Now please calculate the landmass and give me essays of these countries’ actions against the indigenous. 

Israel’s land is barely 20,000 square km (I doubt you can locate it on the world map)

the SOLE reason Israel “expanded” was the wars the Arab nations around forced on it. Israel of course won.

20 hours ago, CrazyMonster said:

Lmao okay, no just no. That's not how it works. I disagree with Lorde's decision to cancel her show in Israel cause she's only punishing fans and not the state/government itself. Plus, I think that the state of Israel isn't what the Jews deserved and I'm not anti Semite.

“JeWS dONT DEseRvE a StATE NoT aNTiSEmItE”

20 hours ago, CrazyMonster said:

They deserved nothing IMO, giving them a land is kind of a stupid idea and solution. But anyways, who am I to say what's stupid or not?

I just know that if a decision was to be made after what happened to the Jews during WW2 I wouldn't have decided to give them a land because what led to the genocide was much more deep and giving them a land is just so little in regards to what they went through.

First of all, no one “gave us a land”, it rightfully belongs to us.

The fact that the almost complete extinction of the Jewish people doesn’t bother you not even a bit proves you’re a certified antisemite. 

We deserved a country more than ever. Now people like you can never hurt us ever again. We can protect our selves, live safely as Jews and preserve our culture.

a country isn’t “little in regards” by the way. 

18 hours ago, CrazyMonster said:

I was talking about the Jews from Europe not the Jews from Arab countries. I thought Israel was for the Jews from Europe as a "reparation" for the genocide. I don't know, this whole thing confuses me, the more I'm trying to understand and learn about this the more I'm lost.

IGNORANT.

This is about Jews, not “from Europe vs Arab countries”

Most Israelis are Middle Eastern Jews and the Holocaust targeted them as well, we are all one single nation.

Again the state, wasn’t a reparation. If you think there’s any reparation to what you (the world) has done to us, you’re completely wrong. 

We founded the state, we always agreed to peace, we were attacked by the Arabs again and again, we won, we offered a Palestinian state.

none of these facts matter to you, you admitted you’re ignorant on the subject. 

It is just trendy to bash Israel as a gay living in America or any other stolen land. 

Leave the Jews alone, obsessive antisemites 

[Naor Daniel 937]

How many of you know the word Palestine actually comes from the Bible? How many of you know the Philistines are an extinct Greek nation? How many of you know there was NEVER EVER an independent state called “Palestine”? How many of you know the last independent nation before Israel on this land was... that’s right... ISRAEL.

How many of you know the Jews in the region defined themselves as Palestinians until 1948?

None of you Israel/Jews haters, right? Then watch this video, educate yourself, and actually become woke. Siding with the weak doesn’t make you woke, just a pathetic SJW.

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48 minutes ago, PerfectGUY said:

Israel is the only country in Middle East where LGBT can live legally.

Lebenon too henny

 

[Naor Daniel 937]

1 minute ago, Moumen Eryani said:

Lebenon too henny

 

Clearly no other country or society in the Middle East is as progressive as Israel and Israelis. If you think I’m wrong you’re more than welcome to prove otherwise. 

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19 minutes ago, Naor Daniel said:

First of all, no one “gave us a land”, it rightfully belongs to us.

What about Balfour?

[Melech 9,900]

46 minutes ago, Moumen Eryani said:

This was a riot protesting the creation of the Israeli state. If that would have not happened, then the 75 Jews would not have died. Get your information straight and stop twisting things.

At this point in time, I'm 100% for a two state solution. Having Israel or palestine disappear from the map just ain't an option anymore.

Yeah blame Israel for the anti semitism if arabs  nothing excuses those murder and it were arabs who murdered not Israelis

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7 minutes ago, Melech said:

Yeah blame Israel for the anti semitism if arabs  nothing excuses those murder and it were arabs who murdered not Israelis

Tell me that they dont treat other Israelis who are not jewish as second class citizens. Seriously its one of the worlds worst human catastrophes. 

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30 minutes ago, Naor Daniel said:

Clearly no other country or society in the Middle East is as progressive as Israel and Israelis. If you think I’m wrong you’re more than welcome to prove otherwise. 

Being progressive is nothing if human rights and international law is being broken on so many levels, progress isn’t ****.

 

[Melech 9,900]

1 minute ago, Moumen Eryani said:

Tell me that they dont treat other Israelis who are not jewish as second class citizens. Seriously its one of the worlds worst human catastrophes. 

What does has that to do with the progroms in Yemen against jewish people? 

According to that logic it’s okay being racist to Arabs because of terrorist attacks in Europe 

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1 minute ago, Melech said:

What does has that to do with the progroms in Yemen against jewish people? 

According to that logic it’s okay being racist to Arabs because of terrorist attacks in Europe 

What I was trying to say its comparable to living in the United States during the Jim Crow era. 

[Naor Daniel 937]

2 minutes ago, Moumen Eryani said:

Tell me that they dont treat other Israelis who are not jewish as second class citizens. Seriously its one of the worlds worst human catastrophes. 

A reach. 

Arab Israelis have more rights than Arab majorities in any other Arab country. 

They have the same exact rights as anyone else, by law.

If you're talking about the Palestinians, they're not citizens, they are part of the Palestinian Authority which should become a state in the future, this is up to them. 

Just now, Moumen Eryani said:

Being progressive is nothing if human rights and international law is being broken on so many levels, progress isn’t ****.

 

Just because the UN has so many Muslim members, doesn't mean Israel ACTUALLY violates International law "on so many levels". 

It's not like Israel would stay there if Palestinians agreed on the peace plan and statehood which was offered to them multiple times. It's like they WANT the IDF to stay on their land, why? After all, Israel left Sinai and Gaza. How can you prove it won't leave the Palestinian Territories? 

[Melech 9,900]

7 minutes ago, Moumen Eryani said:

What I was trying to say its comparable to living in the United States during the Jim Crow era. 

No, what the hell  

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Just now, Naor Daniel said:

If you're talking about the Palestinians, they're not citizens, they are part of the Palestinian Authority which should become a state in the future, this is up to them.

What about all of the illegal settlements in the west bank? can you Explain that?

1 minute ago, Naor Daniel said:

It's not like Israel would stay there if Palestinians agreed on the peace plan and statehood which was offered to them multiple times. It's like they WANT the IDF to stay on their land, why? After all, Israel left Sinai and Gaza. How can you prove it won't leave the Palestinian Territories? 

Yeah and thats why I think that Palestine should give up and accept that they should share the land that was once theirs and give up on this stupid dream to kick Israel out.