Are you happy Joanne predated Trump?

[Born To Slay 10,996]

7 minutes ago, holy scheisse said:

Unpopular opinion, but I hated that lady gaga, queen of provocation and flamboyance, released a conservative album coinciding w/ the rise of Trump and the conservative resurgence in America.

Idk I read an article that expressed this feeling a lot better than I can. But it felt... sad I guess to see Gaga create her most conservative work yet whilst the voice of conservative americans grew louder and louder. She did afterall make it for that ~"gurl in the middle of america raising children"~ or whatever she said that one day about who joanne was for lol 

In all fairness to Gaga, songs about mastrubation and black rights are hardly conservative 

[iCpro 14,846]

43 minutes ago, holy scheisse said:

Unpopular opinion, but I hated that lady gaga, queen of provocation and flamboyance, released a conservative album coinciding w/ the rise of Trump and the conservative resurgence in America.

Idk I read an article that expressed this feeling a lot better than I can. But it felt... sad I guess to see Gaga create her most conservative work yet whilst the voice of conservative americans grew louder and louder. She did afterall make it for that ~"gurl in the middle of america raising children"~ or whatever she said that one day about who joanne was for lol 

How exactly is Joanne conservative? She sings about female empowerment, masturbation, co-existence, black rights, her past as a go-go dancer, rebellion etc. If anything, it’s her second most liberal album imo.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 hour ago, holy scheisse said:

Unpopular opinion, but I hated that lady gaga, queen of provocation and flamboyance, released a conservative album coinciding w/ the rise of Trump and the conservative resurgence in America.

Idk I read an article that expressed this feeling a lot better than I can. But it felt... sad I guess to see Gaga create her most conservative work yet whilst the voice of conservative americans grew louder and louder. She did afterall make it for that ~"gurl in the middle of america raising children"~ or whatever she said that one day about who joanne was for lol 

Just because it is stripped back doesn’t mean it has conservative values.

 

[Ziggy 11,868]

1 hour ago, holy scheisse said:

Unpopular opinion, but I hated that lady gaga, queen of provocation and flamboyance, released a conservative album coinciding w/ the rise of Trump and the conservative resurgence in America.

Idk I read an article that expressed this feeling a lot better than I can. But it felt... sad I guess to see Gaga create her most conservative work yet whilst the voice of conservative americans grew louder and louder. She did afterall make it for that ~"gurl in the middle of america raising children"~ or whatever she said that one day about who joanne was for lol 

I agree with the sentiment except any critic saying that they were mad she wasn’t a wild provocateur can eat an ass because she did that before and those same people called her a try hard or this or that and began tearing her to shreds.

Also, think of her headspace. She was reeling from a very emotional breakup that shook her future pretty hard. And she’d done political music before, why is it her job to always be the lamp-bearer? She was damned when she did it and damned if she doesn’t and I find that to be a pretty sad place. Even still, Joanne was political but in a very personal way. Hey Girl, Angel Down, CTM, and I’d even say DiC due to it having a little undercurrent of female empowerment. I think the frame of her politics was just different but it was still there. It was quieter and sadder, more reeling and healing, rather than loud, brash, and expansive.

I, wish she had done something more with what you want instead of The Cure. I love the song but the idea of a stand-alone single that’s politically aware is something I’d have preferred. It would have stood out better imo.

[holy scheisse 22,275]

8 hours ago, Born To Slay said:

In all fairness to Gaga, songs about mastrubation and black rights are hardly conservative 

Touche darling. Though angel down is hardly about black rights even if she wrote it about Trayvon Martin. It's more of an obituary and she sings the song in first person about herself so if it's somehow a call for black people's rights, it falls flat.   

8 hours ago, iCpro said:

How exactly is Joanne conservative? She sings about female empowerment, masturbation, co-existence, black rights, her past as a go-go dancer, rebellion etc. If anything, it’s her second most liberal album imo.

  

Valid but those themes don't even last in your mouth as you finish Joanne. It's not potent it's not powerful and I'd never say the album is centrally about those themes. Most of what you just mentioned, she only mentions like once.. and it's not powerfully done.

I'll say yes she is on board for coexistence. Although come to mama, didn't father John Misty basically write and give her that song? 

And I see absolutely 0 signs of rebellion on Joanne. There's no call for rebellion!

She mentions when she was gogo dancing like twice.. angel down is HARDLY about black rights at all it's about HERSELF wanting to save people.

Eh. This is just my opinion though. Joanne is nothing close to progressive maybe it's liberal tho. But really what I meant was musically, it's conservative 

 

http://www.idolator.com/7648957/lady-gaga-joanne-conservative-pop-album/gaga-joanne-black-white

[Ziggy 11,868]

1 hour ago, holy scheisse said:

Touche darling. Though angel down is hardly about black rights even if she wrote it about Trayvon Martin. It's more of an obituary and she sings the song in first person about herself so if it's somehow a call for black people's rights, it falls flat.   

  

Valid but those themes don't even last in your mouth as you finish Joanne. It's not potent it's not powerful and I'd never say the album is centrally about those themes. Most of what you just mentioned, she only mentions like once.. and it's not powerfully done.

I'll say yes she is on board for coexistence. Although come to mama, didn't father John Misty basically write and give her that song? 

And I see absolutely 0 signs of rebellion on Joanne. There's no call for rebellion!

She mentions when she was gogo dancing like twice.. angel down is HARDLY about black rights at all it's about HERSELF wanting to save people.

Eh. This is just my opinion though. Joanne is nothing close to progressive maybe it's liberal tho. But really what I meant was musically, it's conservative 

 

http://www.idolator.com/7648957/lady-gaga-joanne-conservative-pop-album/gaga-joanne-black-white

She couldn’t have written Angel Down from anything but the perspective it was. She’s a mega rich white woman and only knows the experience she knows. If she had done otherwise more people would have called her out for coopting that experience (which I find worse as well). So she wrote it from the place she knows mourning the place the world is in now. That in itself is making an argument about what she sees as the state of the world. Not everyone sees that as a problem so it’s still a bold statement to make on a mainstream pop album. She doesn’t need to have some corny inclusion of Trayvon’s name for the song to resonate. If you watch a reaction video, those people pick up on what the song is about without her having to dilute it through hamfisted preaching. The power is in the bleak performance she gives and the simple but effective lyrics.

 

Joanne is about personal politics. Hey Girl is about the importance of women working together (something that still clearly needs work), Angel Down is her mourning, CTM is unification despite differences (doesn’t matter if Josh wrote it; she put it on her album). I don’t think it’s her responsibility to make an album asking for rebellion or more violence. It’s silly to critique an album on the basis that you wanted something completely different. Critique the album on its own merits and demerits.

 

Personally, I’m on the fence. I like when she’s political, but I also appreciate her not retreading BTW. That album covered A LOT of various issues on its own. More than most careers and bear in mind she’d just done Til it Happens to Zulu so she covered assault also. I like the idea that Joanne is like a scrapbook of her life rn. It has her story, her family’s, and also goes a little wider to how she sees the world atm and not just that but what it all means to her. The fact that she’s still political outside of it is more important to me.