Nicki Minaj: It's a great time to be a white rapper in America

[Stan Is My Name 453]

4 hours ago, FfFfFfFF said:

Most of the people (white or black cause it makes no difference, including Nicki) rap to sell. 

Ok but you missed my point. Yes, you rap to sell. Music sells. My point was that now that white people start rapping it suddenly becomes mainstream and popular. Yes, rap has always been mainstream and popular but this year makes it the first year that rap music is more popular than pop. Nicki has a point, the difference between a black rapper and a white rapper is their skin color but white rappers make more $ because of peoples' bias. When black rappers have been in the game for decades on end, their music is unappreciated and partially underground, a white rapper does the same thing but money is flung at them as if they were good or something. I'm not saying there aren't any good white rappers, but people like Post Malone and G Easy add nothing new to the rap game and yet they're lauded for being white. Mediocre black rappers fade into oblivion but yeah these two white dudes who aren't interesting, yeah let's throw money at them because the populace can relate to their skin color.

tldr; not race baiting, just calling it like I see it. 

[Stan Is My Name 453]

8 hours ago, NCgaga said:

It’s actually not me at all. You didn’t understand my post. 

I love to butt into people's conversations.

It's what you didn't say what really shows off your true colors.
You act as if everything's hunky dory in the South. It's not. It'd be great if everyone got along together, black, white and every color in between, but for example take this. The Alabama election that tried to suppress black votes, it's not a conspiracy there are legit dozens of articles that talk about it. There is still hatred and racism in the South, you chose to act as if there is no problem, you ignore it. I'm not saying become a white knight, I'm saying open up your eyes because all you gave was anecdotal evidence which really amounts to very little. 

Nicki's talking how the gp like rap music when it's done by white people. She has no problems with white rappers, hell she's collaborated with Eminem, she's upset that now white rappers are doing it their music becomes super popular and mainstream where as black people have done it in the past and it's been not as successful or as accepted. 

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15 minutes ago, Stan Is My Name said:

Ok but you missed my point. Yes, you rap to sell. Music sells. My point was that now that white people start rapping it suddenly becomes mainstream and popular. Yes, rap has always been mainstream and popular but this year makes it the first year that rap music is more popular than pop. Nicki has a point, the difference between a black rapper and a white rapper is their skin color but white rappers make more $ because of peoples' bias. When black rappers have been in the game for decades on end, their music is unappreciated and partially underground, a white rapper does the same thing but money is flung at them as if they were good or something. I'm not saying there aren't any good white rappers, but people like Post Malone and G Easy add nothing new to the rap game and yet they're lauded for being white. Mediocre black rappers fade into oblivion but yeah these two white dudes who aren't interesting, yeah let's throw money at them because the populace can relate to their skin color.

tldr; not race baiting, just calling it like I see it. 

I disagree with this.

[Stan Is My Name 453]

3 minutes ago, FfFfFfFF said:

I disagree with this.

They're starting to. Ok ok there's people like Dr. Dre and Jay-Z who have an empire of doing business with the rap community and what not but white rappers are on the rise for being just average. I mean, Nicki showed that in the top 10 half the people there were white rappers, it's an indicator. It's yet to come. 

Also nice job just cherry picking one thing I said and deflecting everything else.

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7 minutes ago, Stan Is My Name said:

They're starting to. Ok ok there's people like Dr. Dre and Jay-Z who have an empire of doing business with the rap community and what not but white rappers are on the rise for being just average. I mean, Nicki showed that in the top 10 half the people there were white rappers, it's an indicator. It's yet to come. 

Also nice job just cherry picking one thing I said and deflecting everything else.

That was the thing you based your whole speech, darling. 

It doesn't matter this genre is associated with a certain community, it's musical expression which is universal and shouldn't be limited by race. It's like gender roles for music. 

@Stan Is My Name But I hope your are not actually sad now.  

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4 hours ago, Stan Is My Name said:

I love to butt into people's conversations.

It's what you didn't say what really shows off your true colors.
You act as if everything's hunky dory in the South. It's not. It'd be great if everyone got along together, black, white and every color in between, but for example take this. The Alabama election that tried to suppress black votes, it's not a conspiracy there are legit dozens of articles that talk about it. There is still hatred and racism in the South, you chose to act as if there is no problem, you ignore it. I'm not saying become a white knight, I'm saying open up your eyes because all you gave was anecdotal evidence which really amounts to very little. 

Nicki's talking how the gp like rap music when it's done by white people. She has no problems with white rappers, hell she's collaborated with Eminem, she's upset that now white rappers are doing it their music becomes super popular and mainstream where as black people have done it in the past and it's been not as successful or as accepted. 

My true colors? Honey you don’t know me or my story, so please don’t try to speak for me.  I specifically spoke on the racism and classism is in the south. My post was my wish for more people to concentrate on similarities. That in no way discounts or discredits the struggles from racism in present day or past. I’m sorry you also missed the point. Being so triggered makes you only listen to a constant dialogue in your head. I get it. But when you don’t understand something, don’t try to cover it up with a dialogue that you think will fit, or with a point that has nothing to do with my post. 

 Anyway- there is still no point with Nicky mentioning this. White people have never dominated rap. Nicky is the most successful female rapper and she is black. The most successful rappers of all time are black, and a few of them are even moguls who have a lot of control of the music industry. Eminem brought to the game by Dr. Dre. Iggy brought to the game by Tip. I love Nicky, but When she feels threatened, she starts this calling people out. There has only been ONE white female in the history of rap to top the charts. That’s it. Music and expression is universal. White people can make rap. Black people can play golf. You think urban stations are plying G-easy? REALLY? Macklemore has almost been all but banned from urban radio, and to be honest he is about the only rapper(there are a few) that rap about substance.  Eminem and post are about the only true white hip hop artist that get played on urban radio- the rest is for pop radio. Please don’t act like white people have ever dominated the hip hop game, just because there are a few in the top ten this month. In fact, aside from this month, when have here ever been more white hip hop artist on the charts than black? Nicky is creating something called sensationalism to distract people from realizing Cardi is taking her shine. It’s a strategy. 

[Stan Is My Name 453]

21 minutes ago, NCgaga said:

My true colors? Honey you don’t know me or my story, so please don’t try to speak for me.  I specifically spoke on the racism and classism is in the south. My post was my wish for more people to concentrate on similarities. That in no way discounts or discredits the struggles from racism in present day or past. I’m sorry you also missed the point. Being so triggered makes you only listen to a constant dialogue in your head. I get it. But when you don’t understand something, don’t try to cover it up with a dialogue that you think will fit, or with a point that has nothing to do with my post. 

 Anyway- there is still no point with Nicky mentioning this. White people have never dominated rap. Nicky is the most successful female rapper and she is black. The most successful rappers of all time are black, and a few of them are even moguls who have a lot of control of the music industry. Eminem brought to the game by Dr. Dre. Iggy brought to the game by Tip. I love Nicky, but When she feels threatened, she starts this calling people out. There has only been ONE white female in the history of rap to top the charts. That’s it. Music and expression is universal. White people can make rap. Black people can play golf. You think urban stations are plying G-easy? REALLY? Macklemore has almost been all but banned from urban radio, and to be honest he is about the only rapper(there are a few) that rap about substance.  Eminem and post are about the only true white hip hop artist that get played on urban radio- the rest is for pop radio. Please don’t act like white people have ever dominated the hip hop game, just because there are a few in the top ten this month. In fact, aside from this month, when have here ever been more white hip hop artist on the charts than black? Nicky is creating something called sensationalism to distract people from realizing Cardi is taking her shine. It’s a strategy. 

But I don't need to know who you are? I got all I need to know from your deluded pretext that people can just leave everything behind to pretend everything is just peachy. Not everyone has that sort of luxury. I'm talking about this issue on a larger scale. Yet again, you miss my entire point of how rap music when made by white people sells better to the gp, when was the last time you saw half the top ten be black rappers? Nicki is saying, it hasn't happened yet but if the trend continues yes white rappers can take over. And you know what that's fine but at what cost? Appropriating an entire community just to sell mediocre rap for fame and money? I don't even stan Nicki and tbh I don't care if it happens or not, it's just really frustrating you cannot read between the lines. Everything has to be spoon fed to you or you don't understand past your shallow narrative. You just said it, Nicki is the most successful female rapper, there is no need to be threatened by Cardi, who by the way Nicki wasn't even targeting in this instance. 

Anyways, come back when you have something relevant to say. Maybe next time you can try a better insult than triggered, yeah? And try to get rid of that condescending attitude also, not funny or cute. 

I don't try to come off as crass or rude but it gets tiresome after a while to see this situation happen over and over again. Either way it seems like you're set in your ways so I donno I guess agree to disagree. 

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24 minutes ago, Stan Is My Name said:

But I don't need to know who you are? I got all I need to know from your deluded pretext that people can just leave everything behind to pretend everything is just peachy. Not everyone has that sort of luxury. I'm talking about this issue on a larger scale. Yet again, you miss my entire point of how rap music when made by white people sells better to the gp, when was the last time you saw half the top ten be black rappers? Nicki is saying, it hasn't happened yet but if the trend continues yes white rappers can take over. And you know what that's fine but at what cost? Appropriating an entire community just to sell mediocre rap for fame and money? I don't even stan Nicki and tbh I don't care if it happens or not, it's just really frustrating you cannot read between the lines. Everything has to be spoon fed to you or you don't understand past your shallow narrative. You just said it, Nicki is the most successful female rapper, there is no need to be threatened by Cardi, who by the way Nicki wasn't even targeting in this instance. 

Anyways, come back when you have something relevant to say. Maybe next time you can try a better insult than triggered, yeah? And try to get rid of that condescending attitude also, not funny or cute. 

I don't try to come off as crass or rude but it gets tiresome after a while to see this situation happen over and over again. Either way it seems like you're set in your ways so I donno I guess agree to disagree. 

Nice try. You’re accusing me of the same thing you’re doing. I wish you would just bow out. You obviously chose to put pieces of my original post together to fit a narrative you’re trying to push on someone who completely understands racism, white privilege, etc. One last time, since I’ve already re-explained it to you... My post was a positive post, and a hope for similar people to come together and try to work things out, because we really aren’t that different.. it’s when we chose to only focus on differences that nothing gets accomplished. For example, this conversation. I talked about my personal experience, something you can’t, no matter How hard you try, minipulate or diminish. For  some reason that upset m(triggered) you to go into a tirade about how “ NO, There is racism, and you’re denying it”! I specifically spoke about how we, my friend’s family and i came together and it worked for us. I DID NOT, at any point discount any sort of racism, or problematic social issues. If you want to twist it into your narrative than fine. But it wasn’t what i posted, and you are making it something it isn’t.  I talked about my own ONE personal experience, and how it worked out for me, and my group of friends in my hometown.  

Get mad about ONE WEEK of their being more white hip hop artists in the top ten then black, And you can stay mad. And you can consider them mediocre just because they are white if you want. Hip hop in general, besides j cole, Kendrick Lamar, and Eminem  and a few others is artistically mediocre at the present time. Blame that on the record execs that push mediocrity about bling, money, and hos,and squnder artistic merit. Be mad at the loss of artistic integrity in the hip hop community. Nicky is just like the execs that sell garbage. She doesn’t rap about substance. In fact her artistic merit is quite mediocre itself, however she is the most successful female hip hop artist, ever. And she’s black.But go ahead with your narrative you’re desperately trying to push. 

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16 hours ago, Stan Is My Name said:

this year makes it the first year that rap music is more popular than pop. ; 

Erm no its not

[Stan Is My Name 453]

8 hours ago, Wolf Boy said:

Erm no its not

hiphop/rap same diff in this case, google's a thing yknow.

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On 12/17/2017 at 11:03 PM, Ziggy said:

Idk why people are brushing this off like it’s nbd. She’s pointing out something that, while maybe uncomfortable to think about as a white person, is important to think about sociologically. There’s been a shift towards urban and rap sounds the past few years and now she’s identifying what is pretty much white appropriation of rap and hip-hop. She’s not knocking their success or anything, but I think it’s important to note, as she is, that this is something that happens in the music industry. Black created and dominated genres eventually become adopted and used to make profit for white artists. It happened with jazz, rock, blues, country, etc.

She even points out that she’s happy for these artists, but her statement is meant to bring light to the issue of racial inequality in music. Idk why this is controversial, she’s not making a false statement nor is she robbing anyone of their success.

It's not "uncomfortable to think about as a white person" because there is no truth in what she's saying. The concept of a white takeover is one of the most ludicrous conspiracy theories in music and its something that we, as liberals, are supposed to accept as truth, it is pushed on us and it's blatantly untrue. If you do the research, you will see how untrue it is. But liberals just don't want to research stuff that goes against their point of view as they don't want to be proven wrong (which, is, ironically, what they accuse conservatives of doing all the time, it works both ways). Check this out, it's long but it's good. It really starts kicking in at 3:52, when he makes the best point of all. At 6:30, he brings up the "only white rappers on the charts" and "whitewashing"arguments:

Whitewashing of hip hop is not a thing. As I always say, give me a shout when 80% of rappers are white. In fact, give me a shout when 50% are white. Then we'll talk. Her saying that she's happy for these artists is fake, I guarantee it. Nicki is the kind of person who shakes your hand with a knife behind her back. She's all nicey nice to someone until they start to be a threat to her success. It blows my mind how you can't see that. For the record, I remember someone here once actually posted a list of the top 10 most popular artists on Spotify and they were almost all rappers and they were all black. So, as you can see, it depends which facts you research. Nicki chose to look at the ones that reflect her agenda, but they're nowhere near the true story. The amount of Spotify followers you have says a lot more about an artist's popularity than one charting week.

On 12/17/2017 at 11:15 PM, Ziggy said:

I think the problem with this is color blindness. I’ve had people tell me about this where it’s like they don’t want you to not see their color. To not see their color is to not recognize the centuries of oppression and servitude. They embrace blackness (or whatever color they are) to honor their ancestors. What they want is to be able to celebrate their color and culture without being regarded differently for it. So it’s like, treat everyone equal, but that doesn’t mean don’t see color, it means don’t treat someone differently because of their color, if that makes sense. They are proud to be who they are and want that recognized, they just don’t want to be treated as second class for doing so. I see it as essentially saying why can’t all cultures just coexist? It’s like that. We all have our differences and ignoring them isn’t the solution, but accepting the differences is so long as they aren’t harming anyone obviously (i.e. Sharia Law as governing law).

 

Again, not my perspective but a POC’s perspective because I used to share the same one as yours before they told me how they see it.

I think the term "colour blindness" is grossly misunderstood in modern society. What it means is more "I can see what colour you are, but I don't think anything negative of you because of that. I will not oppress, stereotype, define or disregard you by your colour." Colour blindness isn't about never noticing colour, it's about only bringing it up when it's relevant. If you want to talk about race, we'll address colour. If you want to talk about a racist incident, we'll address colour. But noticing/addressing colour in day to day life, when it's not even relevant? No, that's defining someone by their colour and that's not cool. I wouldn't want someone walking on eggshells around me and giving me free passes because I'm a woman. Treat me like a person first and foremost.

What you're saying is exactly what I believe, yet you seem to think it isn't.

On 12/18/2017 at 12:33 AM, Stan Is My Name said:

I agree, Macklemore was the only one there who raps with a purpose. People like Post Malone and G Easy just sell rap to white people now that rap's popular.

What do you mean "now?" The most popular form of music has always been mass produced by record labels throughout history. White people did this before 2017 (hello, Vanilla Ice?) and blacks are exploiting the trend just as much in their own way by hiring the most current names as features (sometimes several in one song) to guarantee a high chart position with the pooling of fanbases, hopping on the new trap sound to get attention from the youth market, making black liberation albums to appeal to the BLM crowd and so forth. They're all copying each other. You're acting like it's only whites that jump on trends and want to exploit the public.

On 12/18/2017 at 7:42 AM, Alexander Levi said:

This site hates her so much.

I swear - I could simply post the words “Nicki Minaj” and people would run their mouths.

She’s talented as **** but people are too blinded by their raging hate to see it.

She is talented (though not amazingly so) but she's problematic in many ways which is why I always criticise her. I'm never blinded by my hate. When she does good, I praise her, when she does bad, I criticise her. I know you don't mean this necessarily, but it's kinda insulting to the intelligence to tell people that they're too blinded by bias to realise something.

On 12/18/2017 at 7:44 AM, Alexander Levi said:

You know - maybe you should be ranting about this to the white supremacists rather than a rapper stating her opinion 

See, this is partly the problem. Of course white supremacists are the ultimate problem, but that doesn't mean that aren't many more problems occuring further down the chain and even among non-racists. We all have biases of some kind and we can all be self-hating. It's not just white supremacists for whom certain messages need to be conveyed to. It's a common assumption that non-racists who support SJW ideology have no need to be preached to. They do, just not in the way you think. Such people have such an inflated sense of self-importance that they think they are never wrong and therein lies the problem. If you really can't see why a black rapper putting down white rappers just for being white is a problem, well...maybe you need to reevaluate your thinking.

On 12/18/2017 at 7:50 AM, Alexander Levi said:

White people are so fragile I swear 

Like, come on people. I see so many white people do the “well gosh darn - if these black people didn’t bring up race every two seconds, we wouldn’t be divided.” thing. It’s sad, I just see history repeating itself and white people would rather just drown out the noise and blame race issues on those who speak out.

We're not fragile. The exact opposite. Because when something bad happens to us or doesn't work out the way we want, we're taught to believe it's just life and you can't win em all. To make a fuss is considered bad form, we're discouraged from it. We only put forward claims of discrimination when we've got a lot of evidence for it, we don't just throw the term around as we know how damaging it can be. My whole life, I thought everyone grew up being taught things like: "nothing's handed to you on a silver platter and you've got to earn it," "you can't be everyone's cup of tea" and "there is always someone much worse off than you." But in recent years, I'm seriously considering if these lessons are taught en masse in the black community. Because the amount of complaining over perceived mistreatment, getting annoyed when not nominated for an award and the expectation for everyone to like you or they're a racist that comes out of the black community really has me wondering. For a race who is supposedly lacking in self esteem, they sure do seem have entitlement issues. And I don't mean entitlement as in rights and freedoms, I'm talking entitlement in regards to wanting everyone to like you and kiss your feet.

I think you've got completely the wrong end of the stick on your last paragraph. It's more that white people want to deal with real instances of racism - the KKK, minorities being killed in cold blood by whites, pro-segregation agendas, immigration bans, that kind of thing. Not "I didn't get a Grammy, the academy is racist." That's just narcissistic, pathetic and frankly, offensive to those who deal with real racism. When white people complain that they didn't get an award, they're called whiney spoiled brats. When black people do it, they're to be respected. Huh? I'm not here for double standards. Gaga's lost Album of the Year three times and no one says she's being discriminated against. Beyonce's lost AOTY three times and apparently she's being discriminated against. God forbid I call BS on that. And also, the Grammys are an American's game. Almost all the nominees and winners are American but does anyone call that discrimination. Do they hell.

On 12/18/2017 at 4:55 PM, Stan Is My Name said:

Ok but you missed my point. Yes, you rap to sell. Music sells. My point was that now that white people start rapping it suddenly becomes mainstream and popular. Yes, rap has always been mainstream and popular but this year makes it the first year that rap music is more popular than pop. Nicki has a point, the difference between a black rapper and a white rapper is their skin color but white rappers make more $ because of peoples' bias. When black rappers have been in the game for decades on end, their music is unappreciated and partially underground, a white rapper does the same thing but money is flung at them as if they were good or something. I'm not saying there aren't any good white rappers, but people like Post Malone and G Easy add nothing new to the rap game and yet they're lauded for being white. Mediocre black rappers fade into oblivion but yeah these two white dudes who aren't interesting, yeah let's throw money at them because the populace can relate to their skin color.

tldr; not race baiting, just calling it like I see it. 

I hate to say this but it sounds like you have done next to no research on this issue or music history in general. I, on the other hand, have, and would implore you to do the same. First off, this is not the first year that rap is more popular than pop. I don't know how old you are but as someone who was a teen throughout the 2000's, I can assure you that rap was more popular than pop back then. Pop music was really struggling to sell at the time. In 2004, every single on the BB 100 was an urban song and they were all sung by black artists, including features. A journalist actually said "By the early 2000's, urban music was pop music." So, less with this nonsense that only white people made it popular and mainstream and could sell it. Next, white rappers don't make money based on people's biases. All of them, apart from Eminem, have faded, sometimes into total oblivion. Vanilla Ice is self-explanatory. Macklemore went right downhill after his breakout. Iggy still hasn't followed up her 2014 debut, is plagued with delays and is on the verge of losing it all. Lil Debbie is underground. Lady Sovereign from the UK is laughable to even bring up. I honestly can't name any white rappers outside these people, that's how few they are and how little success and presence they have. Black rappers album sales in particular are miles ahead of white rappers, not to mention their Vevo views and likes. I mean, check out Kendrick Lamar, he's slaying on every level. And he's far from the only one. If anything, black rappers make money off of people's biases because as a black person, they command automatic respect in their profession whereas the first reaction to a white rapper is one of doubt, even among whites. Even I do that. And what's all this about black rappers having their music underappreciated? They have some of the best sales this year with some of the best reviews! And there will always be a subsection in every genre who are underground no matter what their race is. Some artists want to be underground because they get more freedom that way.  If anything, black rappers have more money and opportunities thrown at them because labels know that's what the public want. Signing a white rapper is a huge risk, as evidenced by the low success rate of white rappers as mentioned above. If anything, we're culturally brainwashed into believing that a black rapper will be good because they're black. No white rapper is lauded for "being white," they're lauded for making music the public like, end of. Plenty of black rappers bring nothing new to the game either and are actually really bad at what they do but get weirdly praised (Migos, Lil Yachty, Wiz Khalifa, Fetty Wap, XXXTentacion, etc). Mediocre black rappers are the ones with all the biggest success in rap right now and have kept going. Wiz Khalifa's still around despite him essentially being a one hit wonder back in 2010. That's the only big hit he ever had and yet he's still releasing and getting featured, including on that monster hit, See You Again. When white rappers fade, they're gone, period.

You may be "calling it like you see it" but it's uninformed what you're saying. I review albums as an amateur for the last 6 years and have studied musical trends and patterns. I know what I'm talking about. Through doing this, I've discovered that so much of what we're taught to believe isn't actually the case.

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4 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

I hate to say this but it sounds like you have done next to no research on this issue or music history in general. I, on the other hand, have, and would implore you to do the same. First off, this is not the first year that rap is more popular than pop. I don't know how old you are but as someone who was a teen throughout the 2000's, I can assure you that rap was more popular than pop back then. Pop music was really struggling to sell at the time. In 2004, every single on the BB 100 was an urban song and they were all sung by black artists, including features. A journalist actually said "By the early 2000's, urban music was pop music." So, less with this nonsense that only white people made it popular and mainstream and could sell it. Next, white rappers don't make money based on people's biases. All of them, apart from Eminem, have faded, sometimes into total oblivion. Vanilla Ice is self-explanatory. Macklemore went right downhill after his breakout. Iggy still hasn't followed up her 2014 debut, is plagued with delays and is on the verge of losing it all. Lil Debbie is underground. Lady Sovereign from the UK is laughable to even bring up. I honestly can't name any white rappers outside these people, that's how few they are and how little success and presence they have. Black rappers album sales in particular are miles ahead of white rappers, not to mention their Vevo views and likes. I mean, check out Kendrick Lamar, he's slaying on every level. And he's far from the only one. If anything, black rappers make money off of people's biases because as a black person, they command automatic respect in their profession whereas the first reaction to a white rapper is one of doubt, even among whites. Even I do that. And what's all this about black rappers having their music underappreciated? They have some of the best sales this year with some of the best reviews! And there will always be a subsection in every genre who are underground no matter what their race is. Some artists want to be underground because they get more freedom that way.  If anything, black rappers have more money and opportunities thrown at them because labels know that's what the public want. Signing a white rapper is a huge risk, as evidenced by the low success rate of white rappers as mentioned above. If anything, we're culturally brainwashed into believing that a black rapper will be good because they're black. No white rapper is lauded for "being white," they're lauded for making music the public like, end of. Plenty of black rappers bring nothing new to the game either and are actually really bad at what they do but get weirdly praised (Migos, Lil Yachty, Wiz Khalifa, Fetty Wap, XXXTentacion, etc). Mediocre black rappers are the ones with all the biggest success in rap right now and have kept going. Wiz Khalifa's still around despite him essentially being a one hit wonder back in 2010. That's the only big hit he ever had and yet he's still releasing and getting featured, including on that monster hit, See You Again. When white rappers fade, they're gone, period.

You may be "calling it like you see it" but it's uninformed what you're saying. I review albums as an amateur for the last 6 years and have studied musical trends and patterns. I know what I'm talking about. Through doing this, I've discovered that so much of what we're taught to believe isn't actually the case.

You act as if I was defending black rappers who just copy what's popular to become famous, I never did so I don't know why you put words in my mouth.

Next, it's strongly implied that I meant this is the first time hiphop/rap has been popular in years. There's even articles stating that hiphop/rap is bigger now than it has ever been, simple google search is all you need.
As I've said before, I'm saying a trend could be beginning in which white people take over the hiphop/rap game which is alright but if it's done so by copying the style of black artists then that's what I'm not liking. So far, G Easy and Post Malone are trend followers of hiphop/rap and make bank. There's multiple black rappers who do the same and I'm not condoning that either.
Also, I didn't say anything about their music being underappreciated, I said some black rappers have their work go unnoticed but that was on a separate issue. Most art gets underappreciated anyways.

"If anything, we're culturally brainwashed into believing that a black rapper will be good because they're black."
Then why were half the artists in the top 10 white rappers? Speak for yourself. I will say yes there aren't as many white rappers but (I can't believe I have to reiterate this so many times) if they're crap like G Easy or Malone then yeah it's unfair they have their level of fame. NF for example, his work does sound original and like time and effort went into it. In his case, I'd say he deserves where he's at. 

By the way, I could call myself an amateur album reviewer as well. I'd say half the people here could be amateurs too but you don't have a degree or certificate in music, so don't act as if you're more "informed", what you said was neither profound nor prolific. Not trying to be rude but don't act high and mighty.

I will say Nicki's post is problematic because she generalized the whole thing, in that image there were good and bad black and white rappers there. But I suppose she didn't wanna pick people out as to not start beef with anyone in particular. I still agree with what she said though.

 

[StrawberryBlond 14,862]

2 minutes ago, Stan Is My Name said:

You act as if I was defending black rappers who just copy what's popular to become famous, I never did so I don't know why you put words in my mouth.

Next, it's strongly implied that I meant this is the first time hiphop/rap has been popular in years. There's even articles stating that hiphop/rap is bigger now than it has ever been, simple google search is all you need.
As I've said before, I'm saying a trend could be beginning in which white people take over the hiphop/rap game which is alright but if it's done so by copying the style of black artists then that's what I'm not liking. So far, G Easy and Post Malone are trend followers of hiphop/rap and make bank. There's multiple black rappers who do the same and I'm not condoning that either.
Also, I didn't say anything about their music being underappreciated, I said some black rappers have their work go unnoticed but that was on a separate issue. Most art gets underappreciated anyways.

"If anything, we're culturally brainwashed into believing that a black rapper will be good because they're black."
Then why were half the artists in the top 10 white rappers? Speak for yourself. I will say yes there aren't as many white rappers but (I can't believe I have to reiterate this so many times) if they're crap like G Easy or Malone then yeah it's unfair they have their level of fame. NF for example, his work does sound original and like time and effort went into it. In his case, I'd say he deserves where he's at. 

By the way, I could call myself an amateur album reviewer as well. I'd say half the people here could be amateurs too but you don't have a degree or certificate in music, so don't act as if you're more "informed", what you said was neither profound nor prolific. Not trying to be rude but don't act high and mighty.

I will say Nicki's post is problematic because she generalized the whole thing, in that image there were good and bad black and white rappers there. But I suppose she didn't wanna pick people out as to not start beef with anyone in particular. I still agree with what she said though.

The only reason that it could be bigger now than it ever has been is because of the inclusion of streaming, which makes it artificially appear bigger. Sales of rap albums were much bigger years ago, so could you imagine how much bigger it would have been if streaming had been around?

There is no such trend of white people taking over. It's pure scaremongering and propaganda. The facts say otherwise. Such a takeover could never happen nowadays, people are too perceptive and socially aware to allow such a thing to happen. Iggy herself once said that the public decide who gets successful and who doesn't, the labels can't invent personalities and spoonfeed the public into liking them, it doesn't work that way in a world with social media in it anymore.

I've already pointed out multiple times that Nicki took one week of charting and used this to prove that whites are at the top. If all the top 10 are white for all 52 weeks of the year or even half that time, then I'd get her point. But one week? That's poor research and she'd be called out for that if she were white. I'm sick and tired of providing intense research and have it dismissed because I'm a white person with an alternate view (but who still manages to be liberal, funnily enough) and yet a black person comes along with the weakest research and gets applauded. And I don't care what race someone is, if they're good, they deserve success and vice versa. Why aren't you outraged when black artists are terrible? Why is it only white ones that pose a problem?

I may not have a degree in music but I put in the research. It's one thing reviewing music but then there's also putting in additional research to see how the industry's going which is an optional thing. Your post implied to me that you had a lot of misconceptions which is common in those who don't research the business. I'm sorry if I came off high and mighty but I guess I've got so enraged from my hard work into researching things get dismissed just because it's not what someone wants to believe or they don't even read it.

[ryanripley 86,575]

On 17/12/2017 at 6:35 PM, Flamboyant said:

Do not understand this logic whatsoever...

Also turn it around, if a white rapper like Iggy Azalea posted “it’s a great time to be a black rapper in America” there would be absolute outrage, what makes this different? 

People these days reach like f**k to make silly little things like this to be racist, sexist, homophobic, etc and it’s ridiculous. Focus on legitimate and serious issues, Onika.

cus rap music belongs to black culture  

[Fingerella 3,170]

9 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

The only reason that it could be bigger now than it ever has been is because of the inclusion of streaming, which makes it artificially appear bigger. Sales of rap albums were much bigger years ago, so could you imagine how much bigger it would have been if streaming had been around?

There is no such trend of white people taking over. It's pure scaremongering and propaganda. The facts say otherwise. Such a takeover could never happen nowadays, people are too perceptive and socially aware to allow such a thing to happen. Iggy herself once said that the public decide who gets successful and who doesn't, the labels can't invent personalities and spoonfeed the public into liking them, it doesn't work that way in a world with social media in it anymore.

I've already pointed out multiple times that Nicki took one week of charting and used this to prove that whites are at the top. If all the top 10 are white for all 52 weeks of the year or even half that time, then I'd get her point. But one week? That's poor research and she'd be called out for that if she were white. I'm sick and tired of providing intense research and have it dismissed because I'm a white person with an alternate view (but who still manages to be liberal, funnily enough) and yet a black person comes along with the weakest research and gets applauded. And I don't care what race someone is, if they're good, they deserve success and vice versa. Why aren't you outraged when black artists are terrible? Why is it only white ones that pose a problem?

I may not have a degree in music but I put in the research. It's one thing reviewing music but then there's also putting in additional research to see how the industry's going which is an optional thing. Your post implied to me that you had a lot of misconceptions which is common in those who don't research the business. I'm sorry if I came off high and mighty but I guess I've got so enraged from my hard work into researching things get dismissed just because it's not what someone wants to believe or they don't even read it.

Can you stop, you're literally making a fool out of yourself. You've made statements that are wrong in the past few pages and you've been corrected by several people in this thread with the truth. 

No one's on your side so stfu.