Grammys Admits Of Changing Ways After Last Year's Mess

[Ronk 14,762]

2 hours ago, moonsago said:

Gaga is winning those 2 Grammys, bookmark me and fight me later 

Bookmarked.  And I wouldn't fight you, even though I secretly hope Gaga and Kesha will each win one.

[Lion Heart 15,041]

I literally don't know how Childish Gambino/ Dany Glover does it. 

 

He keeps getting Grammy nominations with somewhat average material. 

[FRANZGA 13,920]

It is true that Urban/Hiphop is dominating this year but JAY-Z ?? maybe good for an AOTY nod since his album is great they say.. but SOTY and ROTY are for well known quality songs..

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21 hours ago, Craig Barnes said:

Yeah who the hell is Childish Gambino? 

Also they could and should have given more nods to women, not just black men. 

Educate yourself.

[xoxo Craig 55,649]

1 minute ago, Bury Me said:

Educate yourself.

I already did sis

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thats how Joanne isnt selected for Album of the year nor Million reasons for Record.

They want diversity, too many whites. let's forget qualities in other words.

[Brolysskins 4,166]

I'm just mad Dua Lipa didn't get anything.

[YeehawKylie 7,817]

The dilemma last year was that Beyonce lost the major awards...

It's great that a Spanish-language song got major nominations, but the song just isn't worthy. The Grammys lack an understanding of what diversity is. They took it to mean black men with a nomination thrown to a woman or Latino here and there. The fact is that these nominations are far from diverse. Rather than have a broad collection of musicians and musical styles, they primarily have male rap artists nominated in the general fields. All they've done is limit themselves within a newer spectrum. 

The nominations this year were pretty boring and limited, considering how much great (and diverse) music was actually released between Oct 1 2016 and September 30 2017. 

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4 hours ago, Brolysskins said:

I'm just mad Dua Lipa didn't get anything.

this I was hoping for a Dua noms. but then again she's still blowing up. just not there yet

[FRANZGA 13,920]

it's actually great if they're really into QUALITY not just charts and sales.. 

but tell me, is Despacito Quality?? sure it's an escapable SMASH but it ain't quality especially lyrically compared to lots of songs.

meaning, they're not really into QUALITY.. it's clear they're into diversity for the sake of it being diversified.

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and why the heck is Coldplay's 5 song EP nominated in BPVA.. a MESS..

isn't that category supposed to be 5 albums nominated only??

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On 11/28/2017 at 6:18 PM, Darrel said:

I can't believe this sh*t, to be honest. Black artists can't be recognized because the responses are always the same "SJW pandering" "Diversity just for the sake of diversity" "It doesn't make any sense". It's like non-white people can't be excellent. WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK.

No, it's not that at all. The problem is that the Grammys, in the major categories, have always been about mainstream success, let's not mess about. A big part of the system is going through all the albums and then selecting nominations based on the ones that they've heard of. That's why only the biggest names have been nominated and major categories for years - it's the only ones the aging academy have heard of. So, they're support of more and more obscure names from rap backgrounds recently just shows how there's an agenda to appeal to the young, cutting edge, "woke" crowd. I'd heard of Childish Gambino but his albums just aren't relevant enough for them even to get listed on the list of upcoming albums I review every month, so the fact he released a new album last year completely passed me by. I don't believe for a minute that these old guys at the academy knew of it either. The album only has 500k SPS in the US. Hardly the level of a classic that everyone knew and loved. No one is saying that black people can't be excellent, but in my opinion, their music has gone downhill since the mid-00's. Rap especially. The last good album to be released by a black artist, in my opinion, was Compton by Dr Dre, in 2015. Everything else has been far too pretentious, try-hard, race baiting, not to mention, mumble rapping and awful, samey, bland production. I don't know what critics nowadays are hearing. Unless they're being paid.

On 11/28/2017 at 6:22 PM, Morphine Prince said:

Most of the people making these comments only listen to Pop music made by white women. The disdain for Rap, Hip-Hop, R&B, or anything "urban" sounding by these type of people speaks volumes. They seem to believe only white women in Pop deserve awards. 

I listen to all genres, involving all races. Rap is one of my 3 most favourite genres. Almost all my favourite rap albums are by black men. I believe anyone deserves an award if they create a good album. It's just that, in my opinion, rap albums have fallen a lot in years, it's just not the same anymore. Therefore, I think critical reception and awards for such albums is overblown. Meanwhile, there's a lot of good albums by those who don't get a look in. There are white artists who are on the same level of obscurity as some black rappers nominated, yet they don't get nominations. Let's not also forget that the Grammys is an American institution, therefore, most of the nominations are given to American artists, they seem like the only relevant ones in their eyes. If you're non American and you're not a huge phenomenon like Adele or Ed, you don't stand a chance. That is what is the issue far more than a race issue. Black people have never had problems getting Grammys since the 70's or so.

On 11/28/2017 at 6:24 PM, Darrel said:

White people have won AOTY the most this decade and a black artist hasn’t won since 2004/5, and this is the FIRST TIME in 19 YEARS that a white man isn't nominated for Album of the Year but OHPOORWHITEPEOPLE, "this Is SJW panderingGFGG!!!!".

TRASH. 

Herbie Hancock won in 2008. For a covers album. There's not even sales information for this album, it was so obscure. It won over Amy Winehouse's Back To Black, which everyone thought was going to win. So, that kinda blows apart the theory that whites always reign supreme in these situations. And you don't think having 4 urban albums by black artists in AOTY is kinda odd? That award usually always involves a mixture of genres wherever possible - pop/rock/rap/country/alternative are the usual variations. To see 3 nominations from one genre, 1 off-shoot of that genre and 1 pop album is very strange. That award used to be all about diversity. 2010, 2011 and 2012 were about the only years where pop was unnecessarily favoured in nominations but other than that, its not usually this genre-focused.

On 11/28/2017 at 6:29 PM, Darrel said:

It's so stupid. 

"Hip-Hop is only about sex, bitches, drugs and crime". LOL, sweetie, wake up. This isn't 1998 anymore. Modern hip-hip/rap is about so much more. 

And black artists are selling/delivering quality like anyone else. This isn't pandering. This is the reality. Get over it. 

No one said that. Of course rap isn't all about those things. But honestly, I just don't feel modern rap. It's too pretentious now. It's your opinion that it's high quality. Not everyone has the same idea of quality.

On 11/28/2017 at 7:05 PM, Darrel said:

You guys are just bitter and saying stuff like "Diversity no matter what" is kind of dumb because those artists delivered this year. They created amazing works of art. They deserve to be recognized. After all these years. It's time. 

Ed (a white man; snubbed) isn't a better artist than Kendrick Lamar, SZA, Bruno or even The Weeknd. 

The only real snub was Million Reasons (and I'm not saying this as a fan). So this argument doesn't make any sense. They are excellent and they are... black. Sorry if that bothers you. 

That's your opinion. I think rap's been in a bad place for a long while. I don't like the new directions it's taking.

I think Ed's ok, not spectacular, but The Weeknd and Bruno are the only ones out of that bunch you selected as being on his level, to my mind. I don't think Kendrick or SZA are all that.

It doesn't bother me that they're black. It bothers me that they seem to be getting special treatment for being black. Apart from nominations, it just seems like critics unfairly fawn over black artists as well and make them out to be so much better than are. It's beyond my comprehension why some are getting amazing reviews when they've got bad flow, unintelligible lyrics and bland production.

On 11/28/2017 at 7:26 PM, Darrel said:

But that Oscar controversy was a problem and it needed to be fixed (just like with the Grammys). The Academy was filled with racist old people and they were snubbing non-white projects because, you know, they're... racists. If you see a black person being nominated now and your first thought is "tokenism!!!", you're the problem. Not the artist. 

He isn't a better artist than Kendrick Lamar, SZA, Bruno or even The Weeknd. Period. Maybe you like him more, but he isn't better. 

Rather, white people were getting good roles. It's more a case of black people need better roles. The Academy don't snub non-white projects as a matter of course. If you look in history at nominations, you'll know that isn't the case. I only think there's a problem with tokenism if I think the artist is too obscure/unsuccessful to warrant a nomination.

And it's you're opinion that you think those people are better. Why do you think you're the authority on who's good and who isn't?

22 hours ago, FABian said:

This is so stupid. Now they're going to nominate people and albums that don't deserve a nom just for diversification. Can we also nominate Asian songs and albums then ?

You make one of the best points. It's always blacks that they're wanting diversification for. There is never any demand for more Asian nominations or even any non-American nominations. This is of zero concern to these people. There's only one race they want to see up there. It annoys me how blacks get such a monopoly when it comes to representation. It should be more equal for all races.

20 hours ago, Rexx said:

Wow, the racist whites are triggered because, once in a blue moon, we weren't the center of the universe. Seek treatment guys. 
Disclaimer: we are NOT all like that.

No, racist whites are not triggered. People are annoyed that something is being valued more than the music. I don't think whites should be the centre of the universe. What annoys me is that it seems like there's a different rule for whites and blacks. Whites have to have a successful album with impact to stand a chance of getting a nomination and blacks can sell poorly and have no impact but still gain not just one, but several nominations. ARTPOP sold more than some of these albums from black artists and it got no nominations. Because for whites, their chances of nominations are about sales more than anything (which is super hard to do in today's music world) but blacks just have to get a critically praised album and that's enough to stand a chance, regardless of how much they sell. It's so not fair.

19 hours ago, robboadam said:

Some of you guys on here are really damn embarrassing. Please just get some air and diversify your music for once.

I review music. I listen to lots of albums a year. I have a broad musical taste. Rap is one of my favourite genres. And I still think this is a blatant attempt at diversification. If it were the other way around and it was 4 pop albums by whites nominated for AOTY, you'd be saying it was a very different story. Good albums can only be made by blacks, apparently. Diversity matters more than good music, apparently.

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8 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not that at all. The problem is that the Grammys, in the major categories, have always been about mainstream success, let's not mess about. A big part of the system is going through all the albums and then selecting nominations based on the ones that they've heard of. That's why only the biggest names have been nominated and major categories for years - it's the only ones the aging academy have heard of. So, they're support of more and more obscure names from rap backgrounds recently just shows how there's an agenda to appeal to the young, cutting edge, "woke" crowd. I'd heard of Childish Gambino but his albums just aren't relevant enough for them even to get listed on the list of upcoming albums I review every month, so the fact he released a new album last year completely passed me by. I don't believe for a minute that these old guys at the academy knew of it either. The album only has 500k SPS in the US. Hardly the level of a classic that everyone knew and loved. No one is saying that black people can't be excellent, but in my opinion, their music has gone downhill since the mid-00's. Rap especially. The last good album to be released by a black artist, in my opinion, was Compton by Dr Dre, in 2015. Everything else has been far too pretentious, try-hard, race baiting, not to mention, mumble rapping and awful, samey, bland production. I don't know what critics nowadays are hearing. Unless they're being paid.

I listen to all genres, involving all races. Rap is one of my 3 most favourite genres. Almost all my favourite rap albums are by black men. I believe anyone deserves an award if they create a good album. It's just that, in my opinion, rap albums have fallen a lot in years, it's just not the same anymore. Therefore, I think critical reception and awards for such albums is overblown. Meanwhile, there's a lot of good albums by those who don't get a look in. There are white artists who are on the same level of obscurity as some black rappers nominated, yet they don't get nominations. Let's not also forget that the Grammys is an American institution, therefore, most of the nominations are given to American artists, they seem like the only relevant ones in their eyes. If you're non American and you're not a huge phenomenon like Adele or Ed, you don't stand a chance. That is what is the issue far more than a race issue. Black people have never had problems getting Grammys since the 70's or so.

Herbie Hancock won in 2008. For a covers album. There's not even sales information for this album, it was so obscure. It won over Amy Winehouse's Back To Black, which everyone thought was going to win. So, that kinda blows apart the theory that whites always reign supreme in these situations. And you don't think having 4 urban albums by black artists in AOTY is kinda odd? That award usually always involves a mixture of genres wherever possible - pop/rock/rap/country/alternative are the usual variations. To see 3 nominations from one genre, 1 off-shoot of that genre and 1 pop album is very strange. That award used to be all about diversity. 2010, 2011 and 2012 were about the only years where pop was unnecessarily favoured in nominations but other than that, its not usually this genre-focused.

No one said that. Of course rap isn't all about those things. But honestly, I just don't feel modern rap. It's too pretentious now. It's your opinion that it's high quality. Not everyone has the same idea of quality.

That's your opinion. I think rap's been in a bad place for a long while. I don't like the new directions it's taking.

I think Ed's ok, not spectacular, but The Weeknd and Bruno are the only ones out of that bunch you selected as being on his level, to my mind. I don't think Kendrick or SZA are all that.

It doesn't bother me that they're black. It bothers me that they seem to be getting special treatment for being black. Apart from nominations, it just seems like critics unfairly fawn over black artists as well and make them out to be so much better than are. It's beyond my comprehension why some are getting amazing reviews when they've got bad flow, unintelligible lyrics and bland production.

Rather, white people were getting good roles. It's more a case of black people need better roles. The Academy don't snub non-white projects as a matter of course. If you look in history at nominations, you'll know that isn't the case. I only think there's a problem with tokenism if I think the artist is too obscure/unsuccessful to warrant a nomination.

And it's you're opinion that you think those people are better. Why do you think you're the authority on who's good and who isn't?

You make one of the best points. It's always blacks that they're wanting diversification for. There is never any demand for more Asian nominations or even any non-American nominations. This is of zero concern to these people. There's only one race they want to see up there. It annoys me how blacks get such a monopoly when it comes to representation. It should be more equal for all races.

No, racist whites are not triggered. People are annoyed that something is being valued more than the music. I don't think whites should be the centre of the universe. What annoys me is that it seems like there's a different rule for whites and blacks. Whites have to have a successful album with impact to stand a chance of getting a nomination and blacks can sell poorly and have no impact but still gain not just one, but several nominations. ARTPOP sold more than some of these albums from black artists and it got no nominations. Because for whites, their chances of nominations are about sales more than anything (which is super hard to do in today's music world) but blacks just have to get a critically praised album and that's enough to stand a chance, regardless of how much they sell. It's so not fair.

I review music. I listen to lots of albums a year. I have a broad musical taste. Rap is one of my favourite genres. And I still think this is a blatant attempt at diversification. If it were the other way around and it was 4 pop albums by whites nominated for AOTY, you'd be saying it was a very different story. Good albums can only be made by blacks, apparently. Diversity matters more than good music, apparently.

lol.

Stay mad. 

[Borislshere 53,080]

This thread is a pure mess. Imagine actually thinking these super talented artist only got their nominations cause their Black. I guess gaga only got her Grammys cause she was white. Not talent related at all. 

[FRANZGA 13,920]

30 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

No, it's not that at all. The problem is that the Grammys, in the major categories, have always been about mainstream success, let's not mess about. A big part of the system is going through all the albums and then selecting nominations based on the ones that they've heard of. That's why only the biggest names have been nominated and major categories for years - it's the only ones the aging academy have heard of. So, they're support of more and more obscure names from rap backgrounds recently just shows how there's an agenda to appeal to the young, cutting edge, "woke" crowd. I'd heard of Childish Gambino but his albums just aren't relevant enough for them even to get listed on the list of upcoming albums I review every month, so the fact he released a new album last year completely passed me by. I don't believe for a minute that these old guys at the academy knew of it either. The album only has 500k SPS in the US. Hardly the level of a classic that everyone knew and loved. No one is saying that black people can't be excellent, but in my opinion, their music has gone downhill since the mid-00's. Rap especially. The last good album to be released by a black artist, in my opinion, was Compton by Dr Dre, in 2015. Everything else has been far too pretentious, try-hard, race baiting, not to mention, mumble rapping and awful, samey, bland production. I don't know what critics nowadays are hearing. Unless they're being paid.

I listen to all genres, involving all races. Rap is one of my 3 most favourite genres. Almost all my favourite rap albums are by black men. I believe anyone deserves an award if they create a good album. It's just that, in my opinion, rap albums have fallen a lot in years, it's just not the same anymore. Therefore, I think critical reception and awards for such albums is overblown. Meanwhile, there's a lot of good albums by those who don't get a look in. There are white artists who are on the same level of obscurity as some black rappers nominated, yet they don't get nominations. Let's not also forget that the Grammys is an American institution, therefore, most of the nominations are given to American artists, they seem like the only relevant ones in their eyes. If you're non American and you're not a huge phenomenon like Adele or Ed, you don't stand a chance. That is what is the issue far more than a race issue. Black people have never had problems getting Grammys since the 70's or so.

Herbie Hancock won in 2008. For a covers album. There's not even sales information for this album, it was so obscure. It won over Amy Winehouse's Back To Black, which everyone thought was going to win. So, that kinda blows apart the theory that whites always reign supreme in these situations. And you don't think having 4 urban albums by black artists in AOTY is kinda odd? That award usually always involves a mixture of genres wherever possible - pop/rock/rap/country/alternative are the usual variations. To see 3 nominations from one genre, 1 off-shoot of that genre and 1 pop album is very strange. That award used to be all about diversity. 2010, 2011 and 2012 were about the only years where pop was unnecessarily favoured in nominations but other than that, its not usually this genre-focused.

No one said that. Of course rap isn't all about those things. But honestly, I just don't feel modern rap. It's too pretentious now. It's your opinion that it's high quality. Not everyone has the same idea of quality.

That's your opinion. I think rap's been in a bad place for a long while. I don't like the new directions it's taking.

I think Ed's ok, not spectacular, but The Weeknd and Bruno are the only ones out of that bunch you selected as being on his level, to my mind. I don't think Kendrick or SZA are all that.

It doesn't bother me that they're black. It bothers me that they seem to be getting special treatment for being black. Apart from nominations, it just seems like critics unfairly fawn over black artists as well and make them out to be so much better than are. It's beyond my comprehension why some are getting amazing reviews when they've got bad flow, unintelligible lyrics and bland production.

Rather, white people were getting good roles. It's more a case of black people need better roles. The Academy don't snub non-white projects as a matter of course. If you look in history at nominations, you'll know that isn't the case. I only think there's a problem with tokenism if I think the artist is too obscure/unsuccessful to warrant a nomination.

And it's you're opinion that you think those people are better. Why do you think you're the authority on who's good and who isn't?

You make one of the best points. It's always blacks that they're wanting diversification for. There is never any demand for more Asian nominations or even any non-American nominations. This is of zero concern to these people. There's only one race they want to see up there. It annoys me how blacks get such a monopoly when it comes to representation. It should be more equal for all races.

No, racist whites are not triggered. People are annoyed that something is being valued more than the music. I don't think whites should be the centre of the universe. What annoys me is that it seems like there's a different rule for whites and blacks. Whites have to have a successful album with impact to stand a chance of getting a nomination and blacks can sell poorly and have no impact but still gain not just one, but several nominations. ARTPOP sold more than some of these albums from black artists and it got no nominations. Because for whites, their chances of nominations are about sales more than anything (which is super hard to do in today's music world) but blacks just have to get a critically praised album and that's enough to stand a chance, regardless of how much they sell. It's so not fair.

I review music. I listen to lots of albums a year. I have a broad musical taste. Rap is one of my favourite genres. And I still think this is a blatant attempt at diversification. If it were the other way around and it was 4 pop albums by whites nominated for AOTY, you'd be saying it was a very different story. Good albums can only be made by blacks, apparently. Diversity matters more than good music, apparently.

wow SIS, go OFF..

there's this BLACK PREVILEGE existing nowadays tbh.. like I read it on twitter, atrl.. something like "I love Melodrama/24k more than DAMN but I want Kendrick to win for the CULTURE"

like it's becoming an additional point or something??