Men of color running Grammys 2018

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 minute ago, Sepsami said:

I'm so over everything being divided into race  

It literally should not matter 

It shouldn’t - but it still does and always will unfortunately.

[Sepsami 18,843]

1 minute ago, Alexander Levi said:

It shouldn’t - but it still does and always will unfortunately.

That's sad because so many people don't see black/white honestly truly, I feel like paranoia is too present at times  

[Borislshere 53,044]

I Stan this. Each of these people have more than earned their nominations and to see some members discredit them by saying “its only cause their black” is beyond ignorant. 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

Just now, Sepsami said:

That's sad because so many people don't see black/white honestly truly, I feel like paranoia is too present at times  

I don’t believe that - people may not outright say that they see “colorblind” (which that term has its own set of problems). But I think most people do see black and white as different. It’s taught to us at such a young age.

We just have to fight the thing in our head and keep reminding people - I think if we stop talking about it it will only get worse.

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 minute ago, Borislshere said:

I Stan this. Each of these people have more than earned their nominations and to see some members discredit them by saying “its only cause their black” is beyond ignorant. 

Yes!! No one is nominating them JUST because they are black... they are reputable musicians in their field whether we like their music or not.

[Sepsami 18,843]

Just now, Alexander Levi said:

I don’t believe that - people may not outright say that they see “colorblind” (which that term has its own set of problems). But I think most people do see black and white as different. It’s taught to us at such a young age.

We just have to fight the thing in our head and keep reminding people - I think if we stop talking about it it will only get worse.

If it's taught to you at a young age I would consider that a racist upbringing, which is sad.

I think it's good to stay concious of yourself and others but there's no need to constantly remind yourself of a biological difference that really shouldn't matter. That's the best way of moving forward imo. I think it's kind of belittling to a person's accomplishments by bringing up their race/culture as if that should be a relevant factor.

[Sepsami 18,843]

15 minutes ago, Borislshere said:

I Stan this. Each of these people have more than earned their nominations and to see some members discredit them by saying “its only cause their black” is beyond ignorant. 

Like I literally wouldn't notice these were all of different origin then caucasian if it wasn't for this thread. The only thing I notice is my increased saltyness because of Kanye and his already massive ego being on top  

IGNORE THIS THAT JAY Z NOT KAYNE IM A FLOP BYE

[LordEnigma 11,313]

2 minutes ago, Sepsami said:

If it's taught to you at a young age I would consider that a racist upbringing, which is sad.

I think it's good to stay concious of yourself and others but there's no need to constantly remind yourself of a biological difference that really shouldn't matter. That's the best way of moving forward imo. I think it's kind of belittling to a person's accomplishments by bringing up their race/culture as if that should be a relevant factor.

No - I’m saying that noticing differences is taught to us at a young age. 

If we don’t talk about racism and how it works - we aren’t ever going to solve a problem. It’s nice to think that the majority of people don’t notice differences - but everyone does.

[Borislshere 53,044]

1 minute ago, Sepsami said:

Like I literally wouldn't notice these were all of different origin then caucasian if it wasn't for this thread. The only thing I notice is my increased saltyness because of Kanye and his already massive ego being on top  

Kanye?

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 minute ago, Borislshere said:

Kanye?

I’m dying 

[Sepsami 18,843]

Just now, Alexander Levi said:

No - I’m saying that noticing differences is taught to us at a young age. 

If we don’t talk about racism and how it works - we aren’t ever going to solve a problem. It’s nice to think that the majority of people don’t notice differences - but everyone does.

Well people notice someone's skin color obviously but I genuinely believe a lot of people just stop there. Regardless, racial issues are important and should never be forgotten 

[LordEnigma 11,313]

1 minute ago, Sepsami said:

Well people notice someone's skin color obviously but I genuinely believe a lot of people just stop there. Regardless, racial issues are important and should never be forgotten 

I really don’t - biology shows that your brain sends thousands of signals all of the time - you can’t tell me that when someone notices a difference with someone NOTHING else comes to mind - it’s actually impossible.

[Sepsami 18,843]

2 minutes ago, Borislshere said:

Kanye?

UInsiuzosjauid thats Jay Z sorry  I just saw Kanye being discussed, i confused the two because the carter family reaction, ignore that comment  

[Sepsami 18,843]

1 minute ago, Alexander Levi said:

I really don’t - biology shows that your brain sends thousands of signals all of the time - you can’t tell me that when someone notices a difference with someone NOTHING else comes to mind - it’s actually impossible.

I don't think it is impossible at all, I notice it with myself honestly 

That might be because of my own background, I was raised to be very accepting of people's differences and my own experiences as a gay person could also play a part in that.. 

But still, those small signals and thoughts that people might have are meaningless if someone's intentions are pure 

[StrawberryBlond 14,840]

2 hours ago, Alexander Levi said:

Just for one of your points - there were no black artists who reached number one on the hot 100 in 2013. And 44 weeks out of the year white artists were atop a predominately black chart - Rap/Hip-Hop.

I think visibility is getting stronger with black artists - I agree with that AND no one says that they want white people off the charts 

Dont act like I can’t look up facts but when someone blankly states - black people are dominating the charts - and that’s it - I want to see facts. It’s not that I agree or disagree but I’m not just going to be like “yeah - since that’s your opinion, I’ll believe it”

You came up with some interesting facts that I’ll look deeper into - that’s what I want from my comment, it’s not because im “lazy.”

So, one year throws it all out the window? Does it erase 2004 when it was an all-black Billboard #1 list? Are there not allowed to be one-off years? Are whites never allowed to dominate one year? Is all music dominance by whites a bad thing? If whites are producing good music, are they allowed to be dominant then?

Sure, no one says that they want white people off the charts...but there are ones who clearly think that secretly. You know the type. I think such a mindset is the antithesis of what music is about - bringing us together and not caring about superficial stuff.

Well, I could turn this statement around on you - if you want to make the claim that black people are not dominating the charts, where's your evidence? It's always the same when people try to convince me of racism in the music industry. They have next to no evidence, yet they want me to believe it. Yet, as someone who studies the charts and Grammys, reviews albums and sales statistics and I've got ample evidence against their view...they throw it all out and don't even reply to it. They don't want to admit to the facts because they find them uncomfortable as they don't fit the convenient fantasy of "amazing black artists being held down" that they've believed all these years. If anything, it's white artists who are struggling to release albums now, getting them delayed because they can't get hits and and are being forced into making a generic body of work to get it released. Black artists, on the other hand, have the most amazing artistic freedom, hence the really contemporary, avant garde bodies of work from them now and they have absolutely no problem getting them released, they don't even need a hit single preceding them. White artists on the other hand, have to be hit makers if they want to succeed. They might get more freedom on an indie label but if they're mainstream, it's another matter. It's no wonder that black artists are getting such amazing reviews right now - because they're allowed to release the music that's in their heart. Whites are being forced into making albums that don't suit their vision because labels like bigger control over them for some reason.