Emvee 8,365 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 I guess because of preorders? I honestly can’t see how this girl can sell in one hour what 99.999% of all musicians struggle to sell in their entire album cycle these days. Especially when it’s apparently no longer cool to like her. We’ll see with the final receipts, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanadelduck 1,982 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 16 hours ago, boiswifty said: Snake is over. Poor the haters It’s incredible. I love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIghtmareElm 2,606 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 How many copies did Katy sell of Witness in the first hour? Can someone compare the sales of Reputation to Witness first hour sales? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,350 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 19 minutes ago, FloatWithME said: How many copies did Katy sell of Witness in the first hour? Can someone compare the sales of Reputation to Witness first hour sales? We don't do that, Witness CD was offered with tour ticket bundles and still not selling . (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ✧*:・゚ 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢, 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 (*´艸`*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandacadabra 9,090 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, New Compassion said: I guess because of preorders? I honestly can’t see how this girl can sell in one hour what 99.999% of all musicians struggle to sell in their entire album cycle these days. Especially when it’s apparently no longer cool to like her. We’ll see with the final receipts, though. Why isnt it cool to like her? Its only in stan forums that I see "tay-hate" with all the childish name calling. Outside of these forums, we dont care about drama with Katy or Kanye, all my straight friends, male and female, keep playing her new music at work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMROD 109,350 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, New Compassion said: I guess because of preorders? I honestly can’t see how this girl can sell in one hour what 99.999% of all musicians struggle to sell in their entire album cycle these days. Especially when it’s apparently no longer cool to like her. We’ll see with the final receipts, though. It's pretty obvious isn't it that it is not true it is not cool to like her with these sales number. She is pretty much still in high demand. And her stanbase is actually loyal and buy albums instead of making excuses to illegally obtain it on piratebay. So don't blame her that she is selling this much when other pop girls cannot do that for the lack of stanbase or if they have one, most of them are entitled little shxts who thinks music should be free but wish their faves to have big sales too, sort your priority is all I am gonna ask to these people, album sale counts don't get big numbers by itself lmao. (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ✧*:・゚ 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘢, 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯'𝘵 (*´艸`*) ♡♡♡ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIKELADYAGAGA 4,080 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 4 hours ago, ryhanna said: That's not the logic there at all. It's about momentum. TF/M eras were so massive and her radio play was great, media was very positive and active and hype for her music was there. BTW rode off the momentum of that, but experienced a decline in media interest, radio play and hype, which means that ARTPOP didn't have the momentum behind it to do as well. BTW had plenty of momentum btw. BTWB was HUGE and she had her most iconic performances during this era. MTN was the only weak part of this era. It had PLENTY to keep the momentum going. The point was that somebody said that Taylor's album isn't good and it is only doing the numbers because of 1989. I think if the album was actually not good and the GP did not actually like her singles, she would not be doing these numbers. period. Her album pre-launch killed it (of course 1989's success is helping.. that I can't deny... but an album that the GP thinks is bad does not sell). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brit4ever 2,034 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 16 hours ago, JohnnyVersace said: Ok but that was before all the scandals. You have to admit that her marketing ploy for this album was completely centered around her victimizations and....Reputation. So what? Didn't Gaga use all that costumes as gimmicks at the beginning of her career to draw attention to her? And at the same time Gaga's music was amazing. So is Taylor's, you are saying her music is not good, meanwhile Reputation's reviews are some of the highest for an album this year and it is the best selling album since 25. And believe me, the GP is not that into drama and scandals as stan forums and Twitter, they buy stuff because they like it and they obviously love Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankenstein 245 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 Talent won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brit4ever 2,034 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 16 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said: While I don't agree with your support for Taylor, you hit the nail on the head with this. Lemonade barely sold more than ARTPOP and yet Gaga gets called a major flop and Beyonce is called a major success? Ok, AP was released in 2013, when sales were better and our expectations are lower now, but Lemonade was only released little over 2 years later, not that much of a difference. For all that Beyonce is praised for her sales, she relies heavily on marketing gimmicks to sell her music - surprise drops of the entire album in one go, every song has a music video, the album isn't available on free streaming platforms or YouTube (initially), controversial lyrics for attention. And then once the album's released, she performs a medley of songs at every tv performance to heavily promote it and remains massively elusive by rarely doing interviews or any appearances that aren't major awards shows so she isn't overexposed and seems exclusive. For all this, you'd think she'd sell so much more. As much as I have distaste for Taylor, Ed and Adele, what I can't fault them for is that they don't really use gimmicks. They just put their music out there (with singles preceding them and allow them on free music services - even Taylor does now) and the world buys it. Beyonce should really be called out more for her use of marketing strategies and air of exclusiveness to sell her music. It's the only way she can sell it now. She used to be an amazing album seller when she released albums traditionally but after 4 happened, she got scared, realised her days as a single seller were over and she'd look like a flop if she kept releasing albums like everyone else did. So, she came up with a scheme where her music was very exclusive and elusive and you were forced into buying the entire album to hear it, meaning there was no way of sampling it first to see if you liked it. Mark my words, she's really going to suffer if she keeps going this way. Lemonade is her second lowest-selling album even with this strategy, and it sold 2 million less than her last effort with the same strategy. The public are realising that she uses this gig to pawn off her music that is very polarising because she knows we might not buy it if she released it traditionally. Ironically, by becoming unpredictable with her music, she's become the most predictable. Now we know every Beyonce album will be a surprise visual album. The mystery's gone, the novelty's worn off. You spilled the tea big time here!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GagaTheExplorer 3,053 Posted November 11, 2017 Share Posted November 11, 2017 18 hours ago, LIKELADYAGAGA said: BTW had four top ten hits and TFM had three. So that means ARTPOP should have done better than BTW. no, that's not what I meant but I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain something that you know perfectly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyVersace 8,988 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 8 hours ago, brit4ever said: So what? Didn't Gaga use all that costumes as gimmicks at the beginning of her career to draw attention to her? And at the same time Gaga's music was amazing. So is Taylor's, you are saying her music is not good, meanwhile Reputation's reviews are some of the highest for an album this year and it is the best selling album since 25. And believe me, the GP is not that into drama and scandals as stan forums and Twitter, they buy stuff because they like it and they obviously love Taylor. People get so defensive w Tay. I never said her music is bad. I personally like the album, solid pop bops. It's super catchy. But I find it ridiculous to not acknowledge the marketing ploy. They took her scandal, transformed her into a (slightly artificial) dark version of herself, and played it up. It strummed up hype and got people talking. Will she diss Kanye? Will she slam another ex? Will she rap? Etc. Gaga used gimmicks, costume, theatrics, but it was NEVER from a negative or hateful place. Meanwhile, Taylor has dragged out this Kanye **** for so long, and even though SHE was caught in a lie, she makes a diss track about him? It's exactly what people want. If you think that GP doesn't watch E! News, read InStyle and live for scandal and drama then you are completely deluded. It's exactly what they want, and exactly how they were coerced into buying Reputation. You have to recognize the intent with which she sells her music and image. It's not really about art, or anything meaningful, but rather her play on public image. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, as it's obviously worked for her, but you can't compare her to Gaga using fashion and gimmicks. It's completely different, and the intention comes from a different place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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