Richard Spencer Gives Israel as Example of Ethno-state He Wants in U.S.

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9 minutes ago, lego said:

 

No, we can’t agree. You don’t know my intentions. You came to my thread with completely off topic post, with all the curse words to attack me and preach about Gaga and so many other things, I didn’t even get.

I don’t care about the reactions, it’s true that we never communicated before and you told me I’m being negative towards you.

Please stick to the actual topic, this is against the rules. 

 

Didn't curse even once. I used big words not so different than how Gaga uses them to preach what she wants. This is how I talk. Believe me, I don't know you and nothing was aimed at you. Against the rules is keeping a vile trend like this happening and I just had to speak out because Israel is so controversial... Maybe you can't understand me or my intentions but I was really trying to do something good there. If you missed it, it's okay. I don't want this to be about me. I want this to be about caring more and researching for ourselves. We can't rely on everything the media reports.

Again, what I wrote back there was absolutely not aimed at you, it was aimed at those who don't care enough about such subjects yet jump on the trend. Please, now it's really going off topic. Not every thread about Israel needs to be misunderstood. I wrote it because I care. Now that I'll shut up which I gladly will (Israelis also shut up, they gave up on speaking, you can't calm the inflammation of the world, really, people tried for years, so why am I trying? lol) we'll see the trend winning every single time...

I guess I'd have such great reactions if I came here going wild against Israel... I just don't like those trends.

[lego 44,165]

32 minutes ago, Luc said:

Israel and Russia both have really big Muslim minorities.. much, MUCH bigger than the US (Israel: 1.5 million; US: 2.6 million; Russia: 9.4 million). And Poland and Hungary were very happy to let their citizens travel, work and live freely across the whole EU. Their populations are also very pro-EU too, a project which is obviously aimed at integration of European countries (economically, culturally, politically) and loosening border restrictions in the EU.

 

There's no real ethnostate in the world  the only one is North Korea  

 

 

I think he’s taking example of how these countries are treating minorities and different ethnicities and how they don’t allow to be outnumbered, I guess?

Remember this?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/30/forced-contraception-jewish-ethopian-women

 

 

Also Hungary and Poland are against refugees, so that’s probably what he admires.

 

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

10 minutes ago, aphrodisio said:

Didn't curse even once. I used big words not so different than how Gaga uses them to preach what she wants. This is how I talk. Believe me, I don't know you and nothing was aimed at you. Against the rules is keeping a vile trend like this happening and I just had to speak out because Israel is so controversial... Maybe you can't understand me or my intentions but I was really trying to do something good there. If you missed it, it's okay. I don't want this to be about me. I want this to be about caring more and researching for ourselves. We can't rely on everything the media reports.

Again, what I wrote back there was absolutely not aimed at you, it was aimed at those who don't care enough about such subjects yet jump on the trend. Please, now it's really going off topic. Not every thread about Israel needs to be misunderstood. I wrote it because I care. Now that I'll shut up which I gladly will (Israelis also shut up, they gave up on speaking, you can't calm the inflammation of the world, really, people tried for years, so why am I trying? lol) we'll see the trend winning every single time...

I guess I'd have such great reactions if I came here going wild against Israel... I just don't like those trends.

It’s funny how you minimize being against the Israel government as being a “trend.” Do you even try to understand why people don’t agree with their actions? 

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50 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

It’s funny how you minimize being against the Israel government as being a “trend.” Do you even try to understand why people don’t agree with their actions? 

So it's funny. ah, the power of words.

Not only I try to understand. I understand. I promise this to you. I know what people think.

So let's keep saying Israel is inhumane, they are killing innocents, right? That's the trend. I mean, really, why won't you go there and see things for yourself? You'll be positively surprised and we are all going to be happy about it. Go there. No one stops you. Be critical but stay open-minded. I don't want this to sound like we're arguing because really it's not what I came here for. It's not my way to make a point, I don't like it so let's keep it mature and try to understand each other. I said it before, I just want people to research on their own. If allowing them to do so isn't right in your opinion, what's your interest? Let's not intimidate people. But even then, I saw some of the things you wrote which obviously I can agree with some points, and I'm just being honest with you. There were a few things you stated that aren't correct and you'd be so positively surprised when you find out. I'm not saying you're wrong or have bad intentions... really, I don't know you. If Israel decides to do what the world says it does, obviously, I'm not going to be pro-Israeli. Right? I just know some things are wrong and others are correct. It's not 100% perfect but it's very good. It's not how most of us think of it. I guess you care about human beings and hope that's why you're being active. I actually admire that so let's stop making it so personally insulting. Israelis I know actually live with Arabs peacefully. They even judge racist people. That's how some Israelis are... racism has no gender, color, race, sexuality, etc. It's everywhere... and I guess we can finally agree that racism is wrong.

Anyway, it's not about me and you, we both are going to forget it sooner or later, it's about being pro-The World. I know, in your pov it doesn't make sense, of course I'm wrong, etc... but even if you don't believe me, like, I'm just someone on the internet... how suspicious is that... just want people to look for themselves 'cause certainly there are major problems in other areas of the world and Israel isn't even a minor one...

I wanted a pink world of rainbows with everyone doing bareback not getting any STD's ever... but the universe isn't black and white. There are always things that need to be better... you take whatever you want out of this conversation. I stand up when everyone incorrectly sits down and I do it with love.

[Morphine Prince 109,655]

4 minutes ago, aphrodisio said:

So it's funny. ah, the power of words.

Not only I try to understand. I understand. I promise this to you. I know what people think.

So let's keep saying Israel is inhumane, they are killing innocents, right? That's the trend. I mean, really, why won't you go there and see things for yourself? You'll be positively surprised and we are all going to be happy about it. Go there. No one stops you. Be critical but stay open-minded. I don't want this to sound like we're arguing because really it's not what I came here for. It's not my way to make a point, I don't like it so let's keep it mature and try to understand each other. I said it before, I just want people to research on their own. If allowing them to do so isn't right in your opinion, what's your interest? Let's not intimidate people. But even then, I saw some of the things you wrote which obviously I can agree with some points, and I'm just being honest with you. There were a few things you stated that aren't correct and you'd be so positively surprised when you find out. I'm not saying you're wrong or have bad intentions... really, I don't know you. If Israel decides to do what the world says it does, obviously, I'm not going to be pro-Israeli. Right? I just know some things are wrong and others are correct. It's not 100% perfect but it's very good. It's not how most of us think of it. I guess you care about human beings and hope that's why you're being active. I actually admire that so let's stop making it so personally insulting. Israelis I know actually live with Arabs peacefully. They even judge racist people. That's how some Israelis are. Of course, there are racists and extremists... But I dislike the government's desire to disallow adoptions for gay couples. It's just so... I have no words to describe this lol

Anyway, it's not about me and you, we both are going to forget it sooner or later, it's about being pro-The World. I know, in your pov it doesn't make sense, of course I'm wrong, etc... but even if you don't believe me, like, I'm just someone on the internet... how suspicious is that... just want people to look for themselves 'cause certainly there are major problems in other areas of the world and Israel isn't even a minor one...

I wanted a pink world of rainbows with everyone doing bareback not getting any STD's ever... but the universe isn't black and white. There are always things that need to be better... you take whatever you want out of this conversation. I stand up when everyone incorrectly sits down and I do it with love.

Ok, first of all I haven’t written anything in this thread so idk what you’re talking about. 

Second, no one is making it “personally insulting” 

And third of all you seem to be rambling on about peace and understanding but aren’t really saying anything related to the topic which is confusing. 

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22 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Ok, first of all I haven’t written anything in this thread so idk what you’re talking about. 

Second, no one is making it “personally insulting” 

And third of all you seem to be rambling on about peace and understanding but aren’t really saying anything related to the topic which is confusing. 

I read your threads. That's what I meant. I do enjoy them.

Take a quick look at the first comments on this thread. See, I had to comment. It wasn't about the OP or anyone specifically. Generalizing... makes me feel so embarrassed of the world. How can I ever feel free to be me next to such people? It's a problem our whole world is facing. Can't an Arab be who he is and be loved? Can't an Israeli be loved? Can't a black man be loved? Can't a woman be appreciated? It's so wrong of us to even talk about it... I always thought of the world like we're in some future-frenzy but the sad truth is we actually (not me and you, all of us everywhere) talk about such subjects because they exist. I guess we did make slow progress and things are getting better but it makes me emotional, I think everyone deserves better. No one wants to live in fear. I really wanted to put good efforts out in this thread. If it didn't work out... okay. Nothing was meant to sound personal. That's how people talk when they authentically care... I never talked about it because I know what's easier for people to believe in... I didn't want to be involved in a conflict but I want people to care when gathering their facts.

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8 minutes ago, aphrodisio said:

I read your threads. That's what I meant. I do enjoy them.

Take a quick look at the first comments on this thread. See, I had to comment. It wasn't about the OP or anyone specifically. Generalizing... makes me feel so embarrassed of the world. How can I ever feel free to be me next to such people? It's a problem our whole world is facing. Can't an Arab be who he is and be loved? Can't an Israeli be loved? Can't a black man be loved? Can't a woman be appreciated? It's so wrong of us to even talk about it... I always thought of the world like we're in some future-frenzy but the sad truth is we actually (not me and you, all of us everywhere) talk about such subjects because they exist. I guess we did make slow progress and things are getting better but it makes me emotional, I think everyone deserves better. No one wants to live in fear. I really wanted to put good efforts out in this thread. If it didn't work out... okay. Nothing was meant to sound personal. That's how people talk when they authentically care... I never talked about it because I know what's easier for people to believe in... I didn't want to be involved in a conflict but I want people to care when gathering their facts.

Ok, it was just confusing because the thread is about Richard Spencer and him using Israel as an example of something he wants but I get your post is just more general. I feel like many of us here were confused by what you were saying. 

Either way, I don't think being critical of the Israeli government is a "trend." I find that dismissive. No government is perfect and we always criticize them. Israel is no exception and it's not without basis. 

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Except that "American" isn't mono-cultural    

Identity politics create more harm than good. 

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17 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Ok, it was just confusing because the thread is about Richard Spencer and him using Israel as an example of something he wants but I get your post is just more general. I feel like many of us here were confused by what you were saying. 

Either way, I don't think being critical of the Israeli government is a "trend." I find that dismissive. No government is perfect and we always criticize them. Israel is no exception and it's not without basis. 

Israelis told me they don't even try to make the world understand anymore... I asked why. They said that it's not going to change anything and they were right. You have white paper and black ink, if you have ink all over the white paper, how will you know it's white paper? oh, see, I really find it hard to explain what I mean but you understood it. I really don't know how to make the world see what's so hard to be seen. And I was talking about the trend thinking it's a bad country. It's such a lovely place... You have no idea how many Israelis don't like the laws of the government. They even tried to replace their leader a couple times... Don't like this person.

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3 minutes ago, aphrodisio said:

Israelis told me they don't even try to make the world understand anymore... I asked why. They said that it's not going to change anything and they were right. You have white paper and black ink, if you have ink all over the white paper, how will you know it's white? oh, see, I really find it hard to explain what I mean but you kinda got it. I really don't know how to make the world see what's so hard to be seen. And I was talking about the trend thinking it's a bad country. It's such a lovely place... You have no idea how many Israelis don't like the laws of the government.

Criticizing a government is not the same as saying a country isn't lovely, etc. I'm sure Israel is a good place to live and there are things like medical advances there that are changing the world. We must not confuse the government for its people or even an ethnic group. Criticizing the Israel government is no different than me criticizing my own government, which I do every day. 

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10 minutes ago, Morphine Prince said:

Criticizing a government is not the same as saying a country isn't lovely, etc. I'm sure Israel is a good place to live and there are things like medical advances there that are changing the world. We must not confuse the government for its people or even an ethnic group. Criticizing the Israel government is no different than me criticizing my own government, which I do every day. 

I absolutely agree with that. But you have to take in mind, what I wrote wasn't about criticizing just a government. So many times people think Israelis are plain vile and harmful and think they made a bad country to live in. Some other times, people go all radical against Jews which are the majority of Israel. Government isn't that promising and good to the citizens so yes, I do think they can and should get better. But as someone who cares about the world, I choose to say "no" to living in fear. I, a citizen of the world (could be Christian, Jew, Muslim, black, white, male, female, etc), refuse to keep those fights over land going and I, like all of us, deserve to be appreciated for being who I am (as long as I'm not harming anybody). And I know it sounds very self-centred but I was trying to speak on behalf of all of us. We all deserve to feel free next to our friends all over the world.

I feel bad for blacks getting humiliated by white people, I feel bad for whites getting humiliated by black people.

I want people to get along and it doesn't matter what's their race or gender and so on...

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11 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

It’s funny how you minimize being against the Israel government as being a “trend.” Do you even try to understand why people don’t agree with their actions? 

I don't know how familiar you are with Israel criticism, but it's trend to be against Israel (but not against Iran for example  and people are even supportive of Hamas) People are calling for boycott of Israeli persons. There was just a case where an Israeli Palestinian wasn't allowed to fly with kuwait airplane because he has an Israel ID. Not to mention that often anti-semitism intervenes with Israel criticism. You can see those cases in France where Arab schoolchildren attack a jewish school kid. 

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13 hours ago, ashae said:

Yeah cause Israel is so white  

 

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59 minutes ago, Melech said:

Yeah cause Israel is so white  

 

 

They’re talking about Spencer.

 

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https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.818342

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In recent years, the spectacle of far-right extremists combining anti-Semitic dog-whistles and fervent, even rabid, support for Israel’s current policies has become increasingly common in Europe and the United States.

Heinz-Christian Strache, the head of Austria’s far-right Freedom Party, and who’s widely tipped to become deputy chancellor following last Sunday’s legislative election, was affiliated with neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic groups in his youth, and once compared the criticism he and fellow members of his racist, anti-immigrant party faced to Kristallnacht. Yet he is also a staunch supporter of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and even visited Israel last year at the invitation of Likud MKs.

The far-right Alternative for Germany, which became the country’s third-biggest party in the Bundestag last month on the wings of anti-immigrant hatred and thinly veiled nostalgia for the Third Reich, is another big supporter of Israel. The party’s deputy chairwoman, Beatrix von Storch, recently compared her party’s nativist ideology with Zionism, telling the Jerusalem Post that she sees Israel as a “role model” for Germany due to its combination of a “free and pluralistic society” with “efforts to preserve its unique culture and traditions.”

Von Storch, the Post noted, was among the founding members of a group called “Friends of Judea and Samaria in the European Parliament,” composed mostly of members of far-right parties.

In the United Kingdom, as well, neo-Nazis and far-right extremists have been known to pose with Israeli flags. Their staunch support for Israel dates back to at least 2014, when Israel’s bombardment of Gaza during Operation Protective Edge made British National Party bigwigs such as then-leader Nick Griffin practically salivate.

In France, too, Marine Le Pen tried to balance her party’s historical baggage of Holocaust denial and overt anti-Semitism with pro-Israel statements. In Hungary, meanwhile, Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has been vocal in his admiration for Israel, while using overtly anti-Semitic imagery in his campaign against the Hungarian-American billionaire and political mega-donor George Soros.

In the most horrible iteration of the phenomenon, when Norwegian neo-Nazi Anders Breivik went on a shooting and bombing spree in July 2011 that killed 77 people (55 of them teenagers), he left behind a 1,500-page manifesto in which, among other things, he expressed fiercely pro-Israel views.

In the United States, Breitbart and its executive chairman, Steve Bannon, regularly traffic in anti-Semitic dog-whistling while at the same time pledging their “unapologetic” support to Israel. (Likewise, President Trump makes pro-Israel statements like no other, while flirting with anti-Semitic imagery and playing coy with white nationalists at the same time.)