Las Vegas mass shooting, 59 dead, 527 injured

[Morphine Prince 109,650]

22 minutes ago, Creativek said:

59 people died and the only thing people of color can do is try to pain the narrative of white privilege. 

We should be focusing on the victims and how to prevent this from ever happening again, not this kind of comparison crap.

People have discussed how we can prevent this and the first thing racist white people come up with is "Look at Chicago" 

The conversation isn't going anywhere. 

[Whispering 18,865]

30 minutes ago, Creativek said:

....the only thing people of color can do is try to pain the narrative of white privilege

Talk about stereotyping a group of people. 

[uo111 5,282]

31 minutes ago, Creativek said:

I’m not sure how headlines (of which I’ve seen many that paint white people out awfully as well, not just PoC) affect mass shootings. People just wanted to argue about something to make this tragedy all about themselves, when we should focus on preventative measures and condolences for the families of victims etc.

Just because you aren’t sure how headlines affect mass shootings doesn’t mean that they don’t. 

I’m sure there are a lot of things that you don’t understand that are true nonetheless.

[Cuchulainn 3,040]

48 minutes ago, Whispering said:

Talk about stereotyping a group of people. 

 Obviously I don’t think that way. But he was making a blanket statement so I used one back at him.

[Cuchulainn 3,040]

1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said:

People have discussed how we can prevent this and the first thing racist white people come up with is "Look at Chicago" 

The conversation isn't going anywhere. 

This is comical now. I get called out for a generalization that I only used to show how blanket statements are not good. Yet you generalize anyone who says “look at Chicago” as a counter argument to gun control as ‘racist white people’.

[Morphine Prince 109,650]

8 minutes ago, Creativek said:

This is comical now. I get called out for a generalization that I only used to show how blanket statements are not good. Yet you generalize anyone who says “look at Chicago” as a counter argument to gun control as ‘racist white people’.

Not anyone. Chicago is an issue. But when talking about gun issues perpetrated by a white man and the first thing that comes to mind is Chicago and "black on black" crime... you might just be a racist. 

And not generalizing. These are actual comments I've seen online in various places from actual people, including people I personally know. 

[StrawberryBlond 15,557]

17 hours ago, Morphine Prince said:

 

Those comparisons are so vague and I wouldn't even know what to look up regarding the second one as the headline has been almost completely obscured. These sources have been so blatantly taken out of context to push a narrative that wants to paint all non-whites as innocent and all whites as guilty. You should be able to notice the clear fallacies you've produced here. Don't you ever think for a minute that the press just reports on what they found out about these people? If they were leading a criminal lifestyle, that's what got reported on. If they were leading a law-abiding lifestyle, that's what got reported on. I mean, did anyone lie about these lifestyles?

17 hours ago, lego said:

 

Oh, come off it. You've really become the word police lately, haven't you? "Enjoyed" is just another way of saying "took part in" or "partaked in" or "lived" in this case. It doesn't mean anything malicious. You are looking for bias everywhere you look and are blinded by hate. How do you live life when you make such minute judgements of every little thing people say?

And about that article - even I don't really trust Everyday Feminism, and I'm a feminist. Their article, while it makes some good points and fairly points out that white criminals have had a negative light shone on them, they are over-exaggerating the extent of how how whites are treated. From what I've seen, when a white person commits a crime and there is lots of proof of them being a criminal, the media does everything in their power to paint them as such, printing photos of them posing looking tough and suchlike. Conservative outlets especially, really go to town on this idea, regardless of the stereotype of them upholding white privilege. Let's just think back to the Columbine shootings. The media went right after Marilyn Manson (a band consisting of white males) for allegedly inspiring these boys to do what they did and it later turned out that they had no reason for accusing them because there was no evidence that the boys even listened to their music. Eminem, a white rapper, was also spearheaded by the media around the same time for similar incidents, so much so, that Manson and Eminem even did an onstage duet to point out the absurdity of the claims and how much of an unnecessary witch hunt it was. I also read about a case in Arkansas where 2 young boys were murdered and left in a ditch with what appeared to be strange symbols all over their bodies. The locals suspected that these looked like satanic symbols, put two and two together and immediately accused the only 2 goths in the small town of doing the crime. Both these white boys were pulled up in court, where everyone was against them and the verdict was Death Row, they didn't even think for a minute they could be innocent. Both these boys spent years in jail and eventually got saved by a kind-hearted petition that celebrities jumped on to encourage police to re-open the case. It turned out that the police didn't even carry out forensic checks to determine if the accused fingerprints or DNA were on the victims, they just singled them out because of how they dressed. There was no evidence that they were even in the area that night and the 'satanic' markings found on the bodies were determined to have been left by wild animals. They got acquitted and saved from lethal injection, but only after about 16 years behind bars or thereabouts.

So, as you can see, there's other reasons why white people might demonise others, even other white people. Goths used to be the poster child for degeneracy by white America back in the day. In my experience, if it's not race that you get singled out for, it'll be something else - gender, religion, economic status, how you dress, the type of music you listen to, etc. Anything that makes you different from "everyone else." No matter how irrelevant or mundane.

2 hours ago, uo111 said:

59 people died and the only thing you can do is cry white tears because the big bad people of color are pointing out clear facts.

The fact you can't see the irony in what you've just said is astonishing. This case didn't involve race in any way, shape or form, yet people like yourself want to find some way, any way, to bring white privilege into this, to whine about something that isn't relevant to the case. I've devoted any discussion about this topic to the people who were killed and injured as well as calling for tighter gun control and a rethink of American gun culture. You know, the real issues. Not bringing in distracting side topics that have nothing to do with what happened. It's almost like a challenge to SJWs right now: "How can we bring the topic of white privilege into literally everything, no matter how irrelevant it is?"

1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said:

People have discussed how we can prevent this and the first thing racist white people come up with is "Look at Chicago" 

The conversation isn't going anywhere. 

That may be what you've witnessed but I haven't heard any white person say this so far. All I've heard is "tighten gun control," "what was the guy's motive?" and "how many shootings is it going to take before something's done?" Maybe you shouldn't generalise.

1 hour ago, Whispering said:

Talk about stereotyping a group of people. 

True, there are plenty of white guilt people pushing this narrative too. That's why I said "certain people" in my similar post because it involves people of all races, not just blacks.

1 hour ago, uo111 said:

Just because you aren’t sure how headlines affect mass shootings doesn’t mean that they don’t. 

I’m sure there are a lot of things that you don’t understand that are true nonetheless.

That last sentence could also be said of you. Liberalism used to be about dealing in facts. Not anymore. Now, if liberals don't like the facts they see, they twist them or discard them completely. Just like what they've always accused conservatives of doing. I still identify as mostly liberal today but wow, liberalism in 2017 is not the kind I signed up for back in the day.

[lego 44,165]

2 hours ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Oh, come off it. You've really become the word police lately, haven't you? "Enjoyed" is just another way of saying "took part in" or "partaked in" or "lived" in this case. It doesn't mean anything malicious. You are looking for bias everywhere you look and are blinded by hate. How do you live life when you make such minute judgements of every little thing people say?

 

 

REPORTED. 

 

 

 

edit:

To clarify, I did not quote you in this thread, you quoted me  - twice, because the viral tweet I posted bothered you. 

And you’re again getting very personal for no reason, I didn’t even talk to you.

 

The second tweet I posted was about the article which discusses this issue, the tweet above (about word ‘enjoy’) was just linked to it and those were not even my words.

Please take time to learn how Twitter works.

 

 

The tweet (article) was just an addition and support to @Morphine Prince ‘ s post.

 

 

You also need to open the images to see what is being discussed here, not just assume what’s written.

 

@StrawberryBlond

 

 

 

That’s all. 

 

[StrawberryBlond 15,557]

4 minutes ago, lego said:

REPORTED.

Seriously? You've said worse things to me and I've never reported you.

[Meruk Holland 2,358]

6 minutes ago, lego said:

 

 

REPORTED. 

 

Wow, its like playing "Find the Crybaby"

If you're upset with what @StrawberryBlond said, just press report, there's no need to show everyone how upset you were by it.

Feel free to report me too 

[lego 44,165]

2 hours ago, Meruk Holland said:

Wow, its like playing "Find the Crybaby"

If you're upset with what @StrawberryBlond said, just press report, there's no need to show everyone how upset you were by it.

Feel free to report me too 

 

 

I don’t know who you are, but this is not first time she’s doing this and afaik it’s against the rules and so is your post so mind your own business.

 

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[Morphine Prince 109,650]

34 minutes ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Those comparisons are so vague and I wouldn't even know what to look up regarding the second one as the headline has been almost completely obscured. These sources have been so blatantly taken out of context to push a narrative that wants to paint all non-whites as innocent and all whites as guilty. You should be able to notice the clear fallacies you've produced here. Don't you ever think for a minute that the press just reports on what they found out about these people? If they were leading a criminal lifestyle, that's what got reported on. If they were leading a law-abiding lifestyle, that's what got reported on. I mean, did anyone lie about these lifestyles?

Oh, come off it. You've really become the word police lately, haven't you? "Enjoyed" is just another way of saying "took part in" or "partaked in" or "lived" in this case. It doesn't mean anything malicious. You are looking for bias everywhere you look and are blinded by hate. How do you live life when you make such minute judgements of every little thing people say?

And about that article - even I don't really trust Everyday Feminism, and I'm a feminist. Their article, while it makes some good points and fairly points out that white criminals have had a negative light shone on them, they are over-exaggerating the extent of how how whites are treated. From what I've seen, when a white person commits a crime and there is lots of proof of them being a criminal, the media does everything in their power to paint them as such, printing photos of them posing looking tough and suchlike. Conservative outlets especially, really go to town on this idea, regardless of the stereotype of them upholding white privilege. Let's just think back to the Columbine shootings. The media went right after Marilyn Manson (a band consisting of white males) for allegedly inspiring these boys to do what they did and it later turned out that they had no reason for accusing them because there was no evidence that the boys even listened to their music. Eminem, a white rapper, was also spearheaded by the media around the same time for similar incidents, so much so, that Manson and Eminem even did an onstage duet to point out the absurdity of the claims and how much of an unnecessary witch hunt it was. I also read about a case in Arkansas where 2 young boys were murdered and left in a ditch with what appeared to be strange symbols all over their bodies. The locals suspected that these looked like satanic symbols, put two and two together and immediately accused the only 2 goths in the small town of doing the crime. Both these white boys were pulled up in court, where everyone was against them and the verdict was Death Row, they didn't even think for a minute they could be innocent. Both these boys spent years in jail and eventually got saved by a kind-hearted petition that celebrities jumped on to encourage police to re-open the case. It turned out that the police didn't even carry out forensic checks to determine if the accused fingerprints or DNA were on the victims, they just singled them out because of how they dressed. There was no evidence that they were even in the area that night and the 'satanic' markings found on the bodies were determined to have been left by wild animals. They got acquitted and saved from lethal injection, but only after about 16 years behind bars or thereabouts.

So, as you can see, there's other reasons why white people might demonise others, even other white people. Goths used to be the poster child for degeneracy by white America back in the day. In my experience, if it's not race that you get singled out for, it'll be something else - gender, religion, economic status, how you dress, the type of music you listen to, etc. Anything that makes you different from "everyone else." No matter how irrelevant or mundane.

The fact you can't see the irony in what you've just said is astonishing. This case didn't involve race in any way, shape or form, yet people like yourself want to find some way, any way, to bring white privilege into this, to whine about something that isn't relevant to the case. I've devoted any discussion about this topic to the people who were killed and injured as well as calling for tighter gun control and a rethink of American gun culture. You know, the real issues. Not bringing in distracting side topics that have nothing to do with what happened. It's almost like a challenge to SJWs right now: "How can we bring the topic of white privilege into literally everything, no matter how irrelevant it is?"

That may be what you've witnessed but I haven't heard any white person say this so far. All I've heard is "tighten gun control," "what was the guy's motive?" and "how many shootings is it going to take before something's done?" Maybe you shouldn't generalise.

True, there are plenty of white guilt people pushing this narrative too. That's why I said "certain people" in my similar post because it involves people of all races, not just blacks.

That last sentence could also be said of you. Liberalism used to be about dealing in facts. Not anymore. Now, if liberals don't like the facts they see, they twist them or discard them completely. Just like what they've always accused conservatives of doing. I still identify as mostly liberal today but wow, liberalism in 2017 is not the kind I signed up for back in the day.

You can look at the complete images by CLICKING on a tweet  

I wasn't aware smoking and rapping was a CRIMINAL lifestyle. 

And I'm not even going to start on the rest of your post. 

[Saint Laurent 4,862]

2 minutes ago, lego said:

 

 

I don’t know who you are, but this is not first time she’s doing this and afaik it’s against the rules and so is your post so mind your own business.

 

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but your test results came back. It's bad news... you're an asshole.

[uo111 5,282]

1 hour ago, StrawberryBlond said:

Those comparisons are so vague and I wouldn't even know what to look up regarding the second one as the headline has been almost completely obscured. These sources have been so blatantly taken out of context to push a narrative that wants to paint all non-whites as innocent and all whites as guilty. You should be able to notice the clear fallacies you've produced here. Don't you ever think for a minute that the press just reports on what they found out about these people? If they were leading a criminal lifestyle, that's what got reported on. If they were leading a law-abiding lifestyle, that's what got reported on. I mean, did anyone lie about these lifestyles?

Oh, come off it. You've really become the word police lately, haven't you? "Enjoyed" is just another way of saying "took part in" or "partaked in" or "lived" in this case. It doesn't mean anything malicious. You are looking for bias everywhere you look and are blinded by hate. How do you live life when you make such minute judgements of every little thing people say?

And about that article - even I don't really trust Everyday Feminism, and I'm a feminist. Their article, while it makes some good points and fairly points out that white criminals have had a negative light shone on them, they are over-exaggerating the extent of how how whites are treated. From what I've seen, when a white person commits a crime and there is lots of proof of them being a criminal, the media does everything in their power to paint them as such, printing photos of them posing looking tough and suchlike. Conservative outlets especially, really go to town on this idea, regardless of the stereotype of them upholding white privilege. Let's just think back to the Columbine shootings. The media went right after Marilyn Manson (a band consisting of white males) for allegedly inspiring these boys to do what they did and it later turned out that they had no reason for accusing them because there was no evidence that the boys even listened to their music. Eminem, a white rapper, was also spearheaded by the media around the same time for similar incidents, so much so, that Manson and Eminem even did an onstage duet to point out the absurdity of the claims and how much of an unnecessary witch hunt it was. I also read about a case in Arkansas where 2 young boys were murdered and left in a ditch with what appeared to be strange symbols all over their bodies. The locals suspected that these looked like satanic symbols, put two and two together and immediately accused the only 2 goths in the small town of doing the crime. Both these white boys were pulled up in court, where everyone was against them and the verdict was Death Row, they didn't even think for a minute they could be innocent. Both these boys spent years in jail and eventually got saved by a kind-hearted petition that celebrities jumped on to encourage police to re-open the case. It turned out that the police didn't even carry out forensic checks to determine if the accused fingerprints or DNA were on the victims, they just singled them out because of how they dressed. There was no evidence that they were even in the area that night and the 'satanic' markings found on the bodies were determined to have been left by wild animals. They got acquitted and saved from lethal injection, but only after about 16 years behind bars or thereabouts.

So, as you can see, there's other reasons why white people might demonise others, even other white people. Goths used to be the poster child for degeneracy by white America back in the day. In my experience, if it's not race that you get singled out for, it'll be something else - gender, religion, economic status, how you dress, the type of music you listen to, etc. Anything that makes you different from "everyone else." No matter how irrelevant or mundane.

The fact you can't see the irony in what you've just said is astonishing. This case didn't involve race in any way, shape or form, yet people like yourself want to find some way, any way, to bring white privilege into this, to whine about something that isn't relevant to the case. I've devoted any discussion about this topic to the people who were killed and injured as well as calling for tighter gun control and a rethink of American gun culture. You know, the real issues. Not bringing in distracting side topics that have nothing to do with what happened. It's almost like a challenge to SJWs right now: "How can we bring the topic of white privilege into literally everything, no matter how irrelevant it is?"

That may be what you've witnessed but I haven't heard any white person say this so far. All I've heard is "tighten gun control," "what was the guy's motive?" and "how many shootings is it going to take before something's done?" Maybe you shouldn't generalise.

True, there are plenty of white guilt people pushing this narrative too. That's why I said "certain people" in my similar post because it involves people of all races, not just blacks.

That last sentence could also be said of you. Liberalism used to be about dealing in facts. Not anymore. Now, if liberals don't like the facts they see, they twist them or discard them completely. Just like what they've always accused conservatives of doing. I still identify as mostly liberal today but wow, liberalism in 2017 is not the kind I signed up for back in the day.

You can condense pretty much everything you say into #alllivesmatter and #poorwhitepeople. 

It’s so odd that you can see all the ways in which people are treated poorly for their dress, and their class, but if someone so much as suggests that maybe, just maybe, people are also treated poorly because of the color of their skin you go insane and say that white people have it just as bad as black people because goth kids have it rough sometimes too.

Like, these things couldn’t possibly happen at the same time, or be relevant to american culture.

[StrawberryBlond 15,557]

1 hour ago, Morphine Prince said:

You can look at the complete images by CLICKING on a tweet  

I wasn't aware smoking and rapping was a CRIMINAL lifestyle. 

And I'm not even going to start on the rest of your post. 

I didn't know that because I usually don't click on linked images for online safety reasons. What Twitter's capabilities are is also something that I've never looked into, so there's no need to make out like I'm stupid. When I did follow it, I still don't know the full story as it doesn't mention names. And if they were guilty for the crime in question, then, they were guilty. Is it wrong to frame guilty people as guilty now? I'm sure if the shooter hadn't killed himself, he'd have the same kind of headlines made about him when he was led away by police.

Smoking and rapping may not be a criminal lifestyle, but it was the specifics of these things that were problematic. The headline doesn't do it justice (most headlines don't, they're just shock value and clickbait to get you reading). The article, however, went into detail - shortly before he was killed, he had stolen a box of cigars at a convenience store, pushing the clerk into a display case as he did so. So, this was how his smoking became criminal. He also drank and took drugs. He had made rap lyrics that were deemed "contemplative and vulgar" including lines like "my favourite part is when the bodies hit the ground." That kind of thing suggests a desire for criminal behaviour and lines like that are demonised in any genre by anyone. He'd also got into a physical fight with a neighbour. He didn't do well at school. The article even brought up what's hailed as the classic "white person excuse" of the fact he liked violent video games. Trust me, if he was white, exactly the same things would be brought up. I've seen it happen before. Hell, there was a white tv celebrity here called Chris Fountain who posted a video online of him singing an original rap with the line: "I'd rape a bitch on her birthday." It resulted in him getting fired from the tv show that he was currently filming and got him omitted from returning to a reality show (on which he won second place) for the last season special. The comments sections of news sites reporting on it were demanding he got fired. He couldn't get any work afterwards and kept a low profile and he's doing his first tv (supporting) role for the first time in 5 years next year. See, white people hate it when white people sing "harmless raps" as well!

31 minutes ago, uo111 said:

You can condense pretty much everything you say into #alllivesmatter and #poorwhitepeople. 

It’s so odd that you can see all the ways in which people are treated poorly for their dress, and their class, but if someone so much as suggests that maybe, just maybe, people are also treated poorly because of the color of their skin you go insane and say that white people have it just as bad as black people because goth kids have it rough sometimes too.

Like, these things couldn’t possibly happen at the same time, or be relevant to american culture.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I've never used either of those hashtags and never will.

I never said that minorities are not treated badly for their race. They are. But some people make out like race is the only reason anyone could possibly be mean to you or demonise you. That was ironically, the point I was making, yes, these things can happen at the same time! There's a whole host of ways that you can be demonised, to say that race is the only one and the most important one is so simplistic and fails to highlight other legitimate ways of being discriminated against. All discrimination is bad, we need to stop ranking it. It's a complete myth that white people help out other white people because they're white. In reality, all races put down other people who aren't exactly like them, even if it's their own people. If it's not race, it's something else. We've got to find some reason to pick on someone. That's been the story of my life. So, when minorities have tried to frame any kind of discrimination as something that just happens to them, pardon me if I feel the need to point out the inaccuracy of that.